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Lord_Magmar posted:Nah you're fine we're not gonna get more official stuff for a while and we can discuss official stuff anyway. I considered that for Zestiel, but a friend gave me an idea I like better what is Legion from?
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Data Graham posted:Making my way through HB, getting about to where I need a thread to read peeking through fingers. yeah, dont gently caress with daddy hoothoot.
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also I need an excuse to get the Helluva and Hazbin characters to meet. The Sins are easy enough, but I'm blanking on I.M.P. I considered having Lucifer hire them as security for something, but he'd probably want someone, you know, more well known/not colossal gently caress ups.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Nah you're fine we're not gonna get more official stuff for a while and we can discuss official stuff anyway. Wait, it was? What was Vaggie like as a human then Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, dont gently caress with daddy hoothoot. I'm still betting the end of that is going to come back to bite the gang someday though (it just felt like it was setting up a plot point down the line
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Nodosaur posted:I considered that for Zestiel, but a friend gave me an idea I like better Legion is a literal legion of demons using a collectivist name who inhabit a mortal soul on earth and get exorcised by Jesus as part pf his travels and negotiations with Satanic forces. They're relatively faceless (enough demons for a whole flock of sheep) but could work as the "faceless legion" who work at Lulu Land. Thus the management would have simply been placed into the employees hands during Lucifer's depression. A Hive Mind demon basically that Lucifer and/or Satan can control/employ. Larryb posted:Wait, it was? What was Vaggie like as a human then From memory, Prostitute from one of the Spanish speaking South American Country. That's why she uses Spanish at times and the "Taco in a Twist" line from the pilot is either racist or sexist (Taco as a slang/slur for both her nationality and her parts) and why I thought she might be Camilla's third daughter (and still might be), thus getting the duet early on with Carmilla. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Nodosaur posted:also I need an excuse to get the Helluva and Hazbin characters to meet. The Sins are easy enough, but I'm blanking on I.M.P. I dont think we ever get a cross over proper. I think we get them in a crowd shot at some point OR a billboard or something. I think you best you get is maybe stolas in the background of some kinda big to do royal thing.
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I feel like Vaggie could still be a mortal soul...alongside my idea that they abandon their memories/names and get groomed into killers and named by Adam. The idea is to have her end up on Earth at some point and find a relative and regain knowledge of her old life and identity. Dapper_Swindler posted:I dont think we ever get a cross over proper. I think we get them in a crowd shot at some point OR a billboard or something. I think you best you get is maybe stolas in the background of some kinda big to do royal thing. Oh, I don't think so either I just want it to happen in my story.
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Larryb posted:Wait, it was? What was Vaggie like as a human then probably. I am still sorta waiting for stolas to have his moment of tearing some one up.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:probably. I am still sorta waiting for stolas to have his moment of tearing some one up. He kinda has that with the DHORKS where he possesses an agent while also summoning himself. He's just not a violent type I think, but can pull off some crazy hell wizard poo poo when prepared.
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...Alastor is the one to hire I.M.P. Because he thought it'd be hilarious
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Nodosaur posted:also I need an excuse to get the Helluva and Hazbin characters to meet. The Sins are easy enough, but I'm blanking on I.M.P. Lucifer decides to host a meeting of Hell's royalty/leadership in the newly rebuilt Hotel to help promote Charlie's ideas to other Hellborn Powerbases. The Goetic Families send Stolas among others and he brings Octavia and IMP as a security detail. Maybe he's making a point to try and counter Alastor helping Charlie get closer to the Mortal Overlords, in a similar way to their "better parent" musical duel. Edit: Especially if better relations between Sinners and Hellborn is something Charlie wants to do, it'd help her have permanent employees for the Hotel if she could hire from the other rings, rather than rely on Sinners (who might leave or be redeemed and go to heaven). Ironically it also would create a sense of Charlie actually trying to create a more traditional redemptive hell, where the local demons help mortal sinners deal with their sins (but through therapy instead of torture). Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Lord_Magmar posted:Legion is a literal legion of demons using a collectivist name who inhabit a mortal soul on earth and get exorcised by Jesus as part pf his travels and negotiations with Satanic forces. They're relatively faceless (enough demons for a whole flock of sheep) but could work as the "faceless legion" who work at Lulu Land. Thus the management would have simply been placed into the employees hands during Lucifer's depression. A Hive Mind demon basically that Lucifer and/or Satan can control/employ. Interesting that she initially made it into heaven regardless then (proving once again that the rules for becoming a “winner” seem completely arbitrary all things considered). I wonder if the mortal lives of the sinner characters will ever wind up being a factor in the series at some point Larryb fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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quote:Lucifer decides to host a meeting of Hell's royalty/leadership in the newly rebuilt Hotel to help promote Charlie's ideas to other Hellborn Powerbases. The Goetic Families send Stolas among others and he brings Octavia and IMP as a security detail. Oh that works much better. It also works with my idea that Lucifer decides to open the other rings up to the Sinners instead of having them be forced to stay in Pride. EDIT - This will be after a plot where they're hired by someone to assassinate Vaggie after only being told that an Exterminator has infiltrated the Hotel run by Lucifer's daughter. Blitzø accepts because he thinks it'll get him a favor from the big L-man himself if they "protect" his daughter, and also because he gets super loving hard at the idea of killing an Angel. basically I got an additional suggestion from a friend. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Larryb posted:Interesting that she initially made it into heaven regardless then (proving once again that the rules for becoming a “winner” seem completely arbitrary all things considered). I wonder if the mortal lives of the sinner characters will ever wind up being a factor in the series at some point Ehhhhh, the Bible actually does have at least 2 stories of Jesus interacting with prostitutes (and he mentions them in others). He actively resists condemning them for their lifestyle and instead forgives and blesses them etc. anecdotally you can translate one of his speeches to the Pharisees (religious overseers) that Tax Collectors and Prostitutes will get into heaven before the corrupt holy officials. It very likely is arbitrary, but prostitution is explicitly something Jesus is relatively neutral and understanding of in the bible. It isn't necessarily an untoward lustful sin to do, sex as an inherently sinful act (rather than only sinful in specific circumstances) comes from dogmatic stuff from churches more often than actual biblical writing. Like how being paid to eat food would not be gluttonous unless you overindulged and harmed people with your gluttony. I suspect sin in the universe is based on causing harm to the undeserving, rather than the emotional act of sinning. Edit: In Universe, the Sinners in hell for Lust seem to be more like Valentino. Assaulters and Abusers, not Vaggie (a lesbian who had to prostitute herself), or Angel Dust (a closeted gay mobster). Angel Dust is probably in hell for all the murder and drugs he did as a mafia son. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Nodosaur posted:also I need an excuse to get the Helluva and Hazbin characters to meet. The Sins are easy enough, but I'm blanking on I.M.P. Wedding. You know the one. 
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Flopsy posted:Wedding. You know the one. ha ha Lucifer would definitely want someone more competent for that
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Lord_Magmar posted:Ehhhhh, the Bible actually does have at least 2 stories of Jesus interacting with prostitutes (and he mentions them in others). He actively resists condemning them for their lifestyle and instead forgives and blesses them etc. anecdotally you can translate one of his speeches to the Pharisees (religious overseers) that Tax Collectors and Prostitutes will get into heaven before the corrupt holy officials. Yeah that’s fair. Speaking of Angel, I kind of want to know more about his sister now and how she was apparently the only member of the family that made it to heaven
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Larryb posted:Yeah that’s fair. Speaking of Angel, I kind of want to know more about his sister now and how she was apparently the only member of the family that made it to heaven That might largely be circumstance. His brother and father are in hell, his sister is in heaven, considering he's closeted himself and the implied earth time period in question, Molly might have been kept apart from the family business entirely. If anything it implies there probably is an actual determination and judgement happening, if Molly was kept apart from her family business and so didn't participate in the criminal activity why should she go to hell for the sins of her father and brothers. Basically, sexist 1900s family mafia values meant the princess had no sin to her name. It also explains Adam, all his sinful acts happened after he was already dead and sorted, Heaven simply allowing his worst personality traits to fester. Since the only example on screen of reassignment involved the character dying again first. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Nodosaur posted:ha ha Was actually thinking Fizz and Ozzie's big day. Charlie gets invited and has Vaggie come as her plus one. She's not a sinner so I think it's a legal loophole they can exploit. I could definitely see Ozzie rehiring I.M.P to act as security since Blitzo steps his game up whenever Fizz is involved.
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Flopsy posted:Was actually thinking Fizz and Ozzie's big day. Charlie gets invited and has Vaggie come as her plus one. She's not a sinner so I think it's a legal loophole they can exploit. Oh. That doesn't matter anyway, as again, I have Lucifer opening up the other rings to sinners. EDIT - Hm. ...I'm tempted to have them have reinforced That Wall with angelic steel to have it keep from being blown apart But also I love a running gag Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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I just noticed a running gag of how Charlie is very portable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qErqSF0Oc7w
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So here's what I worked out for my first few "episodes" (will be told in the form of multiple chapters)quote:Von Eldritch Family Matters EDIT - I could use some feedback. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Has anyone else noticed that Adam demonstrates if not embodies all seven of the deadly sins. (I include sloth since he tends to have his underlings do things that he isn't interested in doing)
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jadebullet posted:Has anyone else noticed that Adam demonstrates if not embodies all seven of the deadly sins. (I include sloth since he tends to have his underlings do things that he isn't interested in doing) He manages to speedrun all 7 sins in the very first episode during the meeting with Charlie.
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This has probably been posted, but I found this amusing when I stopped to actually read it.
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Larryb posted:
There's the lady from the first HB: 
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Apparently even in heaven you don’t necessarily have to look human (Angel’s sister Molly is also a spider for whatever reason and Pentious was still a snake when he ascended)
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Larryb posted:Apparently even in heaven you don’t necessarily have to look human (Angel’s sister Molly is also a spider for whatever reason and Pentious was still a snake when he ascended) I imagine certain traits get translated over regardless of moral status. Like Molly is a genuinely good person but she's still member of Angel's family who are ALL spider demons. She just comes across as a sweet adorable one since she's an angel instead
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Gothmog1065 posted:This has probably been posted, but I found this amusing when I stopped to actually read it. drat hellphones have scan lines wtf.
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Flopsy posted:I imagine certain traits get translated over regardless of moral status. Like Molly is a genuinely good person but she's still member of Angel's family who are ALL spider demons. She just comes across as a sweet adorable one since she's an angel instead Speaking of, I hope we formally get to meet her and/or the rest of Angel’s family someday. Seems like there might be some interesting story potential there.
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Gothmog1065 posted:This has probably been posted, but I found this amusing when I stopped to actually read it. My favorite thing in that episode is, since Michael Cusack is there voicing Mammon, it stands to reason surely Zach Hadel will be there too right? And sure enough he's in like every crowd scene doing just yell babbling and it's like not even subtle. Its just so clearly him
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jadebullet posted:Has anyone else noticed that Adam demonstrates if not embodies all seven of the deadly sins. (I include sloth since he tends to have his underlings do things that he isn't interested in doing) I always figured the rings of hell are in order of the sin as they first came into being. Pride being the first so it's at the top. Gothmog1065 posted:This has probably been posted, but I found this amusing when I stopped to actually read it. The show is full of stuff like this. If you pause and look at the signs in the background or on various phones there's always stuff to discover. Most of it is only on screen for a split second in various scenes so it's very easy to miss. A lot of time you got to zoom in. Madurai posted:There's the lady from the first HB: She was justified. And that's before we found out the family was full of cannibals. Huh, they probably went to cannibal town.
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Macaluso posted:My favorite thing in that episode is, since Michael Cusack is there voicing Mammon, it stands to reason surely Zach Hadel will be there too right? And sure enough he's in like every crowd scene doing just yell babbling and it's like not even subtle. Its just so clearly him yeah. i like that for the most part, most animators/creators are super supportive of each other even if the fanbases can be stupid as hell at times. I know viv apperently LOVES smiling friends, but smiling friends is fantastic.
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Man, I should figure out something to do with Miss Miriam in the HH fic. I imagine Charlie would appreciate having an actual teacher for her curriculum…even with the whole murder-suicide thing
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Something I appreciate quite a lot about HB's musical sensibility is that it's very "classical Broadway" in style, like it's kind of a throwback to the pre-LMM, pre-Come From Away, even pre-Les Mis formula of very carefully structured musical and lyrical patterns that don't go flailing all over the place with weird arrhythmic patter or barely-rhyming words that put the emPHAsis on the wrong syLAHble for no particularly good metrical reason. After seeing so many songs coming out of well-regarded musical-bearing shows like that stop-motion Pinocchio movie, or the "Taking Over Midnight" song in Gravity Falls (it happens in like every single line, wtf, they're definitely doing it on purpose), it's rather refreshing to see something that rather improbably seems to want to reject all that avant-garde nonsense and give us some real old-school showstopping numbers with genuine earworm music and well-turned Disneyesque lyrical structures the way the South Park movie did.Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, dont gently caress with daddy hoothoot. Having just gotten through The Circus, unless there are some big surprises and recharacterizations still to come, god loving drat, that poor bastard. Most empathizable character I've seen in a drat long time. Maybe not since, uh, Satan ^^
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Annointed posted:Ngl I do wanna see Miss Miriam Redeemed 
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Not gonna lie to you guys, an important part of my fic is Charlie trying to grapple between whether it’d be better to redeem everyone in Hell or focus on making Hell itself a better place. I realize that’s a big shift for the series, but it seems like a logical route to go after Exterminations can be warded off. (What do you think of my summaries btw)
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