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Weka posted:Treadmills are definitionally revolutionary lol
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Feb 12, 2024 09:17
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Al! posted:me training for the revolution Sweet bowl cut
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Feb 12, 2024 09:24
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Classic case of two liberals arguing about their liberal opinions while one cosplays as a communist and one as an anarchist.
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Feb 12, 2024 11:53
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Weka posted:Like most fail Europeans, he never participated in a revolution aside from turning the lazy Susan at the buffet Marx ran a revolutionary newspaper in Cologne during the Revolution of 1848.
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Feb 12, 2024 13:04
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Al! posted:some god, some state, some masters Every time the US destroys an enemy state, it's incremental progress towards Anarchist Utopia, if you think about it
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Feb 12, 2024 13:18
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mila kunis posted:i come bearing gifts. the end of the bevins books has so many real word dunks on horizontalism/anarchism and the people that got burned by going along that path The thing I love so much about this book is that it starts out extremely sympathetic to the aims of the anarchist community in those nations. Bevin's social circle was that group, right down to his tastes in music. And then it brings the hammer down, over and over how all that fell apart. It's definitely my new go to recommendation for fence-sitting anarchists. R. Mute posted:this type of "save me chairman xi" passing the buck to non-western communists is really befitting this thread. it's rank defeatism as well as avoiding any sort of responsibility western communists have. chairman xi won't be saving you, he has more important things to do than save the ever more irrelevant westerners. it's functionally no different from the academic communists who were just waiting for revolution to magically come, as if it being an inevitability means you don't have to work to reach it. every country must pave its own path to socialism, you can't just hope to copy china's path and figure it'll work out - that's why china itself isn't proselytising it as The Path to follow. it's up to western communists to figure it out for themselves Yeah, I strongly agree with this. Sometimes it seems hopeless, and you want to slip into a comfortable MTW-ism, but is our position so much worse than other successful movements? Don't act reckless, of course, but once you have suffered the curse of knowledge, you have a duty to carry on when and how you can. PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 16:59 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Feb 12, 2024 14:59
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Pomeroy posted:cold steel, is the answer, to Zionist cowards, who hold a hand over their mouths. Zionists get the edge of our knives, nothing else. I thought it was a pretty good back and forth about an important issue for the left, but you fell off pretty bad at the end, comrade.
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Feb 12, 2024 22:26
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KomradeX posted:The ableism thing is just hiding behind the disabled to avoid criticism. Like wheb boycotting Amazon was ableist. Its such obvious bullshit It's also vague enough that you can throw it at anything. The universal callout.
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Feb 13, 2024 00:04
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Marx ran a revolutionary newspaper in Cologne during the Revolution of 1848. Did not know this, thank you. Looked it up and apparently Marx was a lib warmonger who thought the French revolution was a model to emulate? quote:Frederick Engels recalled that the Neue Rheinische Zeitung: Organ der Demokratie had a political program with two main points: "a single, indivisible, democratic German republic, and War with Russia, including the restoration of Poland." PhilippAchtel posted:I thought it was a pretty good back and forth about an important issue for the left, but you fell off pretty bad at the end, comrade. Seems Pomeroy hasn't even read Dune!
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Feb 13, 2024 04:10
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Weka posted:apparently Marx was a lib warmonger who thought the French revolution was a model to emulate? man you should look up Engels. Dude was the Tom Clancy of his time.
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Feb 13, 2024 04:23
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Weka posted:Did not know this, thank you. Looked it up and apparently Marx was a lib warmonger who thought the French revolution was a model to emulate?
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Feb 13, 2024 07:27
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nice obelisk idiot posted:I think that if there was stronger momentum wrt militarization of the revolution in germany, it may survived the conservative/reactionary backlash, so it makes sense. And obvs. a free united poland was a big unifying rallying cry of the european left. It probably seemed impossible to achieve politically and militarily without french republican style tactics It took nothing less than WW1 for Poland to reappear, so they were right.
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Feb 13, 2024 12:42
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the person you’re trying to argue with would have sided with the French while watching The Battle for Algiers. they instinctively identify with white settlers for reasons that have probably been unexamined because they think they’re a good person.
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Feb 13, 2024 14:23
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having spent several days arguing with an anarchist about P/I: anarchists really are dumb as dogshit, and self-righteous about it to boot
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Feb 13, 2024 14:38
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Uhhh yeah, just imagine that I was replying to your post in the I-P thread instead of assuming I must've read it in here because you were arguing with an anarchist.
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Weka posted:Did not know this, thank you. Looked it up and apparently Marx was a lib warmonger who thought the French revolution was a model to emulate? to be fair, at that point in history the official ideology of russia was that they had a divine mandate to intervene militarily against any attempt at revolution anywhere in europe, so war was most likely coming either way if they succeeded in creating a united german republic
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Feb 13, 2024 15:04
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Uhhh yeah, just imagine that I was replying to your post in the I-P thread instead of assuming I must've read it in here because you were arguing with an anarchist. it's all one thread at this point Pener Kropoopkin I realize all the old time LF people are probably used to this stuff but it was the first time I've actually sat down and had an extended conversation with an anarchist irl, somebody I previously had good relations with. And it was like staring into a yawning chasm of ignorance and emotional fragility.
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Feb 13, 2024 15:36
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Karach posted:it's all one thread at this point Pener Kropoopkin you can’t really blame them for thinking that way because it’s a consequence of liberal morality & intellectualizing. what they lack is any context to re-evaluate those assumptions. when I was taking a course in college (can’t remember which one specifically) part of the curricula got around to Franz Fanon and the moral question of violence being used against colonizers. this was presented to the class as if it was open to debate, but for me there was none. it should be obvious that settlers are participants in a system of ruthless extraction and dispossession, and that if colonial violence is already exercised against the people then the colonizer’s people are also fair game. reading Fanon cured me of residual liberalism, but I was also coming from an anti-war mindset where I already viewed western countries as imperial powers who had just destroyed Iraq. I dunno what your friend thinks but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’d reject Fanon out of hand for being a Marxist.
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Feb 13, 2024 16:16
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there's also something to be said about letting someone cook on something for a while, maybe they wont fundamentally change their mind but maybe their view of the world will be shifted a little due to your friendship with them, and at some level thats the most you can expect out of people or call them fascists and move on, i dunno
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Feb 13, 2024 16:52
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:you can’t really blame them for thinking that way because it’s a consequence of liberal morality & intellectualizing. what they lack is any context to re-evaluate those assumptions. I'm curious, how did the rest of class react to reading Fanon? I don't know if the dude has any larger theory beyond vibes. He refused to explain *why* he had his opinions, on any level, and I think was even offended by the question.
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Feb 13, 2024 17:06
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Karach posted:I'm curious, how did the rest of class react to reading Fanon? Hell if I know. I think most of that was relegated to written assigments. Probably smart not to make it a point of discussion.
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Feb 13, 2024 17:07
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Karach posted:I'm curious, how did the rest of class react to reading Fanon? Were they American. Im starting to learn that very few Americans read. Especially if they're not in school or recently out of school
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Feb 13, 2024 17:11
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In Training posted:Were they American. Im starting to learn that very few Americans read. Especially if they're not in school or recently out of school Worse: Canadian
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When I was in college there was a really big scandal among the local anarchists because someone who was widely respected and well known turned out to be an informant. He participated in a highway blockade and chained himself to some other protestors. He was a university student on a scholarship and when it turned out that he was going to do serious jailtime and lose his scholarship money which would have forced him out of housing and college he cut a deal with the cops to spy on the other anarchists and communists. He eventually snitched on some people who were going to sabotage some tractors which belonged to a company that was cutting down trees for a residential development and got several people sent to jail. I heard that when he was confronted by his former friends he had a complete and total nervous breakdown and started sobbing and ran out. He was part of a punk house and he got kicked out extremely fast but he had money so it didn't make him homeless. It made everyone in the local anarchist community (really just the college that both of us went to) extremely paranoid and it seriously disrupted people's trust in each other. For weeks on end people had very intense discussions about whether or not an outed snitch could be rehabilitated or trusted ever again within the frame of restorative justice etc. I overheard people talking about jumping him but as far as I know it never really happened. I'd see him around campus looking extremely defeated sometimes. He changed his appearance by shaving and transferred out as soon as he possibly could. Previous to this he was pretty well known for being the sort of anarchist who would easily criticize the people around him for being authoritarian or he would use the rhetoric surrounding legitimate causes (like queer and minority rights) as a way to push people around - to choose who paid what portion of rent - to choose what roommates he'd have - what communal meals were like etc. He was white and part jewish / Italian which made him look much more jewish than he actually was. He never practiced and neither did his parents. He was more of a hippy new age type of person than anything else and said that he admired the quakers and turn of the century anarchists. As I know he didn't do any time apart from the period he spent in detention being interrogated after his first arrest. He is almost definitely still around. I look for him whenever I'm watching protest footage but I haven't seen him since. He's still out there. There are lots of people like him. Sleep tight everyone! LuxuryLarva has issued a correction as of 20:00 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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quote:He changed his appearance by shaving lmfao
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Like you know how anarchists have types? He was the "annoying/charming dirty rogue" type of anarchist. Once he shaved his beard he looked completely different and people mostly stopped recognizing him. Not me though!
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Feb 14, 2024 00:15
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this is why the mafia put special scrutiny on guys who were arrested
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my bony fealty posted:lmfao
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Feb 14, 2024 00:21
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Al! posted:this is why the mafia put special scrutiny on guys who were arrested Problem was all the capos and bosses were already informants anyway though lol
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DaysBefore posted:Problem was all the capos and bosses were already informants anyway though lol the mafia stinks of hierarchy.........
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Al! posted:the mafia stinks of hierarchy......... much better food than that vegan crap though and you get more money and nobody ever calls you out for not reading
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My reading group picked Losurdo's Liberalism: A Counter History, which I'm really excited about because it was my pick and it's very topical right now; but also because I misread the poll results and thought People's History won the selection.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:My reading group picked Losurdo's Liberalism: A Counter History, which I'm really excited about because it was my pick and it's very topical right now; but also because I misread the poll results and thought People's History won the selection. I'm envious. I wish I could find a non-retarded reading group in my area. The ones I've checked out, they always end up reading YA fiction or pop "technology, innit?" garbage like Ways of Being. It's probably time to just start one myself. I'm not sure what a good first book would be, though. I'd have to soft pedal the marxism and anti-imperialism to get buy in from people.
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LuxuryLarva posted:Like you know how anarchists have types? He was the "annoying/charming dirty rogue" type of anarchist. Once he shaved his beard he looked completely different and people mostly stopped recognizing him. Not me though! This is like the "John Smith" of male anarchists
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Is Ian actually hosed or is this a meme
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Deified Data posted:Is Ian actually hosed or is this a meme yes
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Deified Data posted:Is Ian actually hosed or is this a meme search your heart
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