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haveblue posted:Ukraine did recently claim that Russian forces had access to Starlink. That doesn't necessarily mean SpaceX knowingly sold it to them for that purpose. Starlink terminals are just specialized telecom devices and could easily be stolen or bought under false pretenses. SpaceX is probably smart enough not to intentionally violate sanctions even if Musk personally may not be Russians buying starlink terminals under fake names isn’t a destabilizing threat needing private congressional briefs Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:If Russia starts messing with GPS satellites, then I am never going to be able to find my way to any location that is more than 20 minutes away from my house again. Have the boomers finally found a way to strike back at millennials and gen z?
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This is about the dumbest way to announce a threat, significant or not. "This is serious enough that all members of Congress and our allies need to be aware of this and able to discuss it openly. It's not an immediate threat though, and we're not going to say what it is publicly because we don't want to ruin your day. Oh yeah, it isn't aliens, we promise." Are they deliberately trying to feed rumor mills? Did the heads of CNN, Fox News, etc. call up Mike Turner and say "Look, the Biden administration is too goddamn boring and Trump is mired in lawsuits. Can you give us something interesting to report on and speculate about for a bit? Pretty please? Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:If Russia starts messing with GPS satellites, then I am never going to be able to find my way to any location that is more than 20 minutes away from my house again. If Russia were to start targeting/destroying satellites, wouldn't that be an overt act of war? GPS is owned and managed by the US government. Jamming/blocking/scrambling on the ground is one thing, but going after gov't owned infrastructure seems...ill-advised.
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1757840768923021363 Ok it's Starlink
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haveblue posted:Ukraine did recently claim that Russian forces had access to Starlink. That doesn't necessarily mean SpaceX knowingly sold it to them for that purpose. Starlink terminals are just specialized telecom devices and could easily be stolen or bought under false pretenses. SpaceX is probably smart enough not to intentionally violate sanctions even if Musk personally may not be FWIW they have tried to use sanctions enforcement against their rivals. Not sure they wouldn't intentionally violate sanctions though, they are pretty cavalier about following rules and regulations. Flip-Flopping in Russia Sanctions Blocked Entity Guidance? ofaclawyer.net - Tue, 17 Jun 2014 posted:Originally Published May 27, 2014.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1757840768923021363 They stole one terminal and it's built so badly they reverse engineered it and have full unfettered access to the entire thing.
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Shooting Blanks posted:If Russia were to start targeting/destroying satellites, wouldn't that be an overt act of war? GPS is owned and managed by the US government. Jamming/blocking/scrambling on the ground is one thing, but going after gov't owned infrastructure seems...ill-advised. Everyone already yelled at them and warned them not to test those anti-satellite missiles a few years ago, but they did it anyway and they had to evacuate the ISS because there were now hundreds of thousands of tiny pieces of untraceable metal debris hurtling through space in orbit around earth. They already said they don't think messing with space or satellites counts as hostile activity.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/ErinBanco/status/1757842502118191406 Somehow, Tim Curry returned.
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RBA Starblade posted:I bet it's anti-satellite weaponry now; there's been rumbling about that before too. Everyone with satellites has anti satellite capabilities. Everyone who can bang out a high power laser array too. No one bricks satellites because it's an act of war, possibly with multiple nations given the potential knock on effects of orbital fragments. More likely they are approaching a major strategic interception goal, or something else that changes the math on nuclear weapons usage and enable them to use nuclear as a cudgel in diplomacy without needing to be concerned about global intervention.
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Byzantine posted:Somehow, Tim Curry returned. Space fully corrupted by capitalism, no point in staying
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1757840768923021363 Ok yeah I take it back
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Shooting Blanks posted:This is about the dumbest way to announce a threat, significant or not. Yeah, it is kind of baffling that Mike Turner decided to make this weird announcement instead of after the briefing tomorrow. I guess he want to just get the ball rolling on declassifying the information? But, either way you are going to leave people wildly speculating for at least 48 hours.
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Yeah the fact that no one knows what said news even is yet, really just drawing more negative attention to himself here. Which is impressive given he's been the main character on Twitter for so long already. Anti-satellite weapons would be a reasonable issue. Though I believe the Space Force is already planning to send up their own version of Starlink so they can have that capability without having to worry about Elon screwing with it. So if Starlink is massively compromised today there's already plans to get around that. EDIT: also given Elon can't launch anything without US gov approval, launches a bunch of defense-dept missions, and gets a massive amount of funds to support SpaceX, if he is found to be actively helping Russia with anything that is not going to end well for him. Orthanc6 fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Feb 14, 2024 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Everyone already yelled at them and warned them not to test those anti-satellite missiles a few years ago, but they did it anyway and they had to evacuate the ISS because there were now hundreds of thousands of tiny pieces of untraceable metal debris hurtling through space in orbit around earth. They already said they don't think messing with space or satellites counts as hostile activity. It's one thing to blow up your own satellite, even if it puts large numbers of other satellites at risk. It's entirely another to target and destroy a foreign nation's strategic asset(s) in space.
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Orthanc6 posted:Yeah the fact that no one knows what said news even is yet, really just drawing more negative attention to himself here. Which is impressive given he's been the main character on Twitter for so long already. I was half joking but I can't think of anything else Elon-related in the news so either he just accidentally made a really poorly timed tweet or it has to do with Starlink.
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zoux posted:I was half joking but I can't think of anything else Elon-related in the news so either he just accidentally made a really poorly timed tweet or it has to do with Starlink. I tried looking into comments and his other tweets for context and could feel my soul leave my body in real time. What my soulless husk discovered is it seems like an off-hand, out of nowhere tweet with suspicious timing, so I put it at 60/40 chance for it to be related to this national security news since that is the current big news deal at this second.
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Professor Beetus posted:I think ongoing support for Israel in the face of current reality can safely be called psychotic, but "psychotic" is also just a popular word right now for whatever reason. Sorry to double quote you here, but your comment stuck in my head and reminded me of how the debate over Israel and Anti-Semitism accusations have been causing a ton of bad blood within the American Psychoanalytic Association. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jun/16/george-washington-university-professor-antisemitism-palestine-dc I think it's worth a read for people in this thread.
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zoux posted:I was half joking but I can't think of anything else Elon-related in the news so either he just accidentally made a really poorly timed tweet or it has to do with Starlink. Or Elon's blitzed to his tits on special-K again and just wanted to comment on something that everyone else was commenting on so he could get attention.
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bird food bathtub posted:Or Elon's blitzed to his tits on special-K again and just wanted to comment on something that everyone else was commenting on so he could get attention. While that's true, it's far funnier to imagine Elmo accidentally blowing the lid on any secret inquiries into Starlink's relation to Russia. Say, what IS the current actual stance the US has with Russia right now? Any embargoes that could get Elmo locked away for a hilariously long time?
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Since it is a Republican raising a fuss about this new threat my guess is this is his intention is to try to make Biden look bad as opposed to anything to do with national security. I mean he's on Team Putin after all I really doubt he's concerned about anything Russia is up to. Maybe he knows it won't be declassified like he's demanding so he can just say Biden isn't protecting the American people or some poo poo. We all know Rs are more interested in getting Trump back into office then protecting the homeland.
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The congressional ethics investigation into Matt Gaetz found he that his friend had paid a women to have sex with other people multiple times and that he had once again paid her for sex right before a trip with Matt Gaetz. This is not the same woman as the minor who Gaetz brought across state lanes and was investigating for traffficking. Gaetz did not pay the woman directly and he claims that he did not know his friend had been paying her to have sex with other people for years. This supports some of the other allegations that Gaetz may have taken plane trips and sex for political favors. However, these text messages alone aren't a smoking gun that prove his guilt alone. For this particular trip, the woman ultimately did not attend. However, she appears in several pictures with Gaetz at different events in the Florida Keys and Bahamas, indicating that she and Gaetz did meet each other and go on other similar trips together that were paid for by Gaetz's friend. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1757852343700459962 quote:House panel obtains texts allegedly showing Gaetz setting up 2017 Florida Keys trip with woman his associate paid for sex: Sources Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Feb 14, 2024 |
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1757854698122485946 Also reporting that this capability would be used to destroy satellites, rather than nuke us from orbit.
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Professor Beetus posted:I think ongoing support for Israel in the face of current reality can safely be called psychotic, but "psychotic" is also just a popular word right now for whatever reason. I do think there's a bit of difference in calling those exact words 'psychotic' and something you could actually call 'psychotic' that it just comes off as laughable hyperbole. If even stuff that is unfortunately pretty true (too many people support Israel, especially in his district) or is just mild criticism ("clueless") is considered 'psychotic' then we're gonna need to invent new words for real bloodthirsty poo poo, like a Dry Bones cartoon. Eric Cantonese posted:Sorry to double quote you here, but your comment stuck in my head and reminded me of how the debate over Israel and Anti-Semitism accusations have been causing a ton of bad blood within the American Psychoanalytic Association. Looking into followup news, it does seem like she was being targeted for being an Arab woman and not because she was actually antisemitic. Those orgs that did the hit job should feel extremely ashamed of themselves, but they're probably just happy instead. Charliegrs posted:Since it is a Republican raising a fuss about this new threat my guess is this is his intention is to try to make Biden look bad as opposed to anything to do with national security. I mean he's on Team Putin after all I really doubt he's concerned about anything Russia is up to. Maybe he knows it won't be declassified like he's demanding so he can just say Biden isn't protecting the American people or some poo poo. We all know Rs are more interested in getting Trump back into office then protecting the homeland. Apparently it was suppose to come out within a couple of days but this guy decided to jump the gun for... some reason.
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I wonder if it's just general Elon kompromat rather than specific Starlink stuff. That would certainly be a "we gotta figure out how to... divest him of the interestes we're invested in" mid-long term issue.
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Kchama posted:Apparently it was suppose to come out within a couple of days but this guy decided to jump the gun for... some reason. https://twitter.com/shaneharris/status/1757849594283647330 I don't know when that vote is scheduled
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1757854698122485946 It basically is Goldeneye (except it only works on electronic in space). Pierce Brosnan tried to warn us and we refused to listen. Putin, please do not mess with my GPS. Take Ukraine, but not my Waze app.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It basically is Goldeneye (except it only works on electronic in space). Christ but why a nuke to destroy satellites? SURELY there has to be a more efficient way??
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BonoMan posted:Christ but why a nuke to destroy satellites? SURELY there has to be a more efficient way?? Watch the documentary Goldeneye starring Pierce Brosnan. You move the nuke into position and detonate it in space to create an EMP that destroys all satellites/electronic devices in a large area. This doesn't require any targeting system for hitting constantly moving satellites and guarantees that you won't miss.
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BonoMan posted:Christ but why a nuke to destroy satellites? SURELY there has to be a more efficient way?? A nuke detonated in orbit would create a far-reaching EMP that would knock out a good chunk, if not all, satellites in orbit.
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BonoMan posted:Christ but why a nuke to destroy satellites? SURELY there has to be a more efficient way?? A nuclear detonation is the most efficient way to generate an electromagnetic pulse.
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zoux posted:Including your own. Seems intentionally provocative, especially since this is something we can get the entire world on board opposing. I'm assuming it is some kind of mini-nuke or more targeted blast. Since they said it was a capability they just recently discovered and Russia has had nukes and the ability to put them into space for decades, so that wouldn't be a new capability.
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Well this is the only way this story makes sense. Russia is not going to start nuking satellites in space, what would that get them other than MAD.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1757854698122485946 They did it five days ago on the Soyuz launch.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Watch the documentary Goldeneye starring Pierce Brosnan. You move the nuke into position and detonate it in space to create an EMP that destroys all satellites/electronic devices in a large area. But all my credit would be gone so really 006 was a hero, I say go space nuke.
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We detonated a 1.4 megaton device in orbit in the 60s to see what would happenquote:Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 900 miles (1,450 km) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[ setting off numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.
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