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It's the Northern Plateau specifically that you need to be first class to travel through not just the north in general, and his hometown is in the plateau. If you just need to go past the plateau you can just do that by boat
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A 16 month detour to the east is very easy to do, really. Much easier than any stupid test.
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Between that and demon/monster attacks how does any trade even get done in this silly empire
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:Between that and demon/monster attacks how does any trade even get done in this silly empire The same way the real world had to deal with trading routes infested with bandits and pirates, as it doesn't matter if you get killed by a fancy piece of mana or a bullet, it's death either way. Also, IRL animals can be quite dangerous, especially if you're forced to walk on foot or riding another animal. Walking into a big spider nest deep inside Indian jungle is one of those experiences where you'd think demons are real, and they don't like you, personally.
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I really don't think any real world empires put their capital city in a position where you had to take a 16 month detour if you weren't one of the 0.0001% elite Frieren and company also started out this whole series in the imperial capital, I know a lot has been skipped over but it does make it geographically disorienting when things that weren't a big barrier before are suddenly an issue. Of course I only ask these questions half seriously because the geography and politics are manifestly Not The Point and only window dressing to the true themes, but sometimes you just can't help but wonder.
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:I really don't think any real world empires put their capital city in a position where you had to take a 16 month detour if you weren't one of the 0.0001% elite The Empire covered almost the whole continent in the flashback with Flamme and Serie, but that was literally 1000 years ago. The current Empire seems to control everything inhabited by humans north from the Northern Plateau, but the Plateau itself and everything south of it seems to be independent countries. We have pretty explicitly entered the Empire for the first time a few chapters back, IIRC.
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Here's a map: The Royal Capital of the Central Lands where they started is just next to the 'd' in 'Central Lands' The Empire isn't clearly marked so 
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M_Gargantua posted:A 16 month detour to the east is very easy to do, really. Much easier than any stupid test. Ah, but you forget...  The stupid test was clearly the only choice in the end
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:I really don't think any real world empires put their capital city in a position where you had to take a 16 month detour if you weren't one of the 0.0001% elite They started out their adventure in the Royal Capital, not the Imperial Capital. It's difficult to tell things apart because the series never bothers with country names or anything, but the Empire is entirely in the northern parts. They started their adventure in some other kingdom, and we've never actually seen the Empire yet. In Frieren Time, this whole situation is rather recent - after all, they didn't need a first-class mage to head north in Himmel's era, just a few decades prior. The exposition a couple of chapters ago suggests that the Empire was cut off from the rest of human territory only a century before the current time (i.e., 900 years into the Empire's thousand-year history). And from what we learned earlier in the trip, it seems like human efforts were able to reestablish some level of control over the Northern Plateau after the defeat of the Demon King, allowing some level of trade and such to resume, but that a resurgence in demon activity and/or a decline in human efforts to combat it have caused the Northern Plateau to become increasingly dangerous again in the last couple of decades.  We also learned in the Macht arc that the Empire has a powerful magical barrier around its current borders, and that between that and the powerful mage border guards, even two Great Demons would have a difficult time getting into the Empire. That, as well as the fact that demons apparently aren't interfering with sea travel, is probably how the Empire has been able to been able to maintain safety and prosperity even during the worst of the war with the Demon King.
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https://twitter.com/ryosuketarou/status/1757764719417704807/photo/1 doki doki
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Here's a map: 
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I wonder if The Empire is actually controlled by demons from those shadows and that is why they 1) continued existing being surrounded and 2) have a kill order out for Frieren. Radars' quest/assassination order was like... 50-60 years ago, so that would put it maybe 20ish years after the death of the demon king. The demon arcs in the past have all shown a different aspect of demons and how they're all alien in different ways. Qual Arc: Demons are stuck in their specialization and unable to improve beyond it, even once humans have surpassed them. Aura Arc: Demons are consumate liars and can be tricked through hiding mana. Northern Plateau Village Arc: Demons will not understand human resiliency and beliefs, only how to take advantage of it. Macht Arc: Demons are capable of pursuing strange/eccentric goals even if they do not understand them in the end. Past Arc: Demons do have some sort of agreed upon pact to protect the demon race, although they are solitary. Imperial Arc(?): My guess is that Demons are capable of working within human institutions in order to further demonic goals, all while misunderstanding that humans may rebel against those institutions if they come into conflict with a higher belief held by those humans (that the demons cannot hope to understand).
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Donkringel posted:
Well had Qual not been sealed for years he probably would have continued improving, and made even more dangerous killing magic. Heck in his fight he starts adapting to get past the barriers, but is killed before he can further improve.
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Donkringel posted:I wonder if The Empire is actually controlled by demons from those shadows and that is why they 1) continued existing being surrounded and 2) have a kill order out for Frieren. Solitar mini-arc: Demons will not. loving. shut. up.
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wdarkk posted:Sense’s test is also pretty dang lethal, it’s just the danger isn’t coming from the other applicants, at least directly. Is it? They're given a literal deus ex machina to avoid injury
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There's still a chance of being killed before having the opportunity to use it. Richter remarked that he lucked out that Sense's doppelganger missed his vitals; otherwise it was just too fast. It's still a test of audacity and visualization, since any mages lacking confidence (or a plan) would probably just break the vial on seeing Sense's clone (let along Frieren's, if they knew who she was and what she was capable of).
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tbp posted:Is it? They're given a literal deus ex machina to avoid injury The jar golems are only good if they're used. Some of the mages have too much ego to use it, some of the mages panic and don't think to use it (iirc, Denken had to yell at one of the people that was in the group he was traveling in to use it when they got separated and trapped and were about to die), some mages don't get the chance to use it (either killed before they could, or the jar gets taken from them).
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Yeah, you could make a pretty cogent argument that the escape jar is just a way of tempting mages into thinking they can fit the exam in their mouth when they can't, thus getting even more mages killed.
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wait did anyone actually die in that exam? I thought everyone who got got used their jar
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VideoWitch posted:wait did anyone actually die in that exam? I thought everyone who got got used their jar Not this time. All the failures bailed with the jar.
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drilldo squirt posted:Didn't that one guy get smashed by the ceiling trap? In chapter 49, Denken spotted the ceiling trap before anyone stepped on it; there was blood on the ceiling from a previous test that tipped him off to the type of trap.
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HamburgerTownUSA posted:In chapter 49, Denken spotted the ceiling trap before anyone stepped on it; there was blood on the ceiling from a previous test that tipped him off to the type of trap. Not a previous test. That Dungeon had never been conquered before, Sense's idea for her test was just to conquer that dungeon. No tests had been held in it, just ill fated attempts to clear it.
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drilldo squirt posted:Didn't that one guy get smashed by the ceiling trap? The ones that failed Test 2 were
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TwoPair posted:In retrospect it's funny that Sense, who designed the test to be as non-lethal as possible, unintentionally (or intentionally?) ended up causing 4 out of 6 failures just by being there (and thus allowing the dungeon to create a clone) she knew what would happen, right? Lawine knew about the dungeon from the imperial expedition her family had connections to, so it seems reasonable Sense would have known about the clones before devising the test
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TwoPair posted:In retrospect it's funny that Sense, who designed the test to be as non-lethal as possible, unintentionally (or intentionally?) ended up causing 4 out of 6 failures just by being there (and thus allowing the dungeon to create a clone) Oh, Sense knew what she was doing - she even tells them outright at one point that if they want to be first-class mages, they ought to be able to handle a little extra challenge. Plus, she had a pretty good idea from the beginning who was going to be the one to take out her doppelganger.
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Yeah Sense very much subscribes to the "we only want the most talented mages" philosophy she just doesn't see the point in having them die in the tests or have to fight each other directly
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HamburgerTownUSA posted:The jar golems are only good if they're used. Some of the mages have too much ego to use it, some of the mages panic and don't think to use it (iirc, Denken had to yell at one of the people that was in the group he was traveling in to use it when they got separated and trapped and were about to die), some mages don't get the chance to use it (either killed before they could, or the jar gets taken from them). Denken told her to use it because he couldn't help her. He tried to rescue her first, and when that failed, he told her that he couldn't help her and that she had no choice but to break the jar. Sense's test was dangerous but not super lethal. There were a couple of close calls, but overall it was far less deadly than the first test. First-class mages frequently get dangerous work like demon extermination, escort missions, and dungeon exploration. If a mage is that bad at recognizing danger and really can't tell at all when they've bitten off more than they can chew, they'd just get killed off in no time as a first-class mage anyway. Even though it was a mage exam, the first-class exams didn't really test magic ability at all - they tested the mages' situational awareness and judgment in dangerous settings, the ability to cope with danger and adversity, the ability to cooperate and work with others, and so on. They did need to have a decent level of magic to be able to handle those dangers, of course, but all three tests were designed so that they couldn't be overcome solely by magic ability alone - or even by fighting ability alone.
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Worse, if you’re a first class mage your hubris and fuckups could likely get dozens of people, or a whole town killed.
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I wonder how well Stark would do at the first class exam.
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:It's still a test of audacity and visualization, since any mages lacking confidence (or a plan) would probably just break the vial on seeing Sense's clone (let along Frieren's, if they knew who she was and what she was capable of).
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CodfishCartographer posted:I wonder how well Stark would do at the first class exam. He probably would not have been very helpful when it comes to catching the bird, but at the very least he could have beaten Richter, since we know that Stark > cliffs. I have no idea how Stark v. Wirbel would go, and Stark v. Ubel probably ends with Stark in pieces.
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Stille rely on their magic detection to be able to flee, so I would say Stark could be pretty useful in catching one, as long as he cooperates with someone capable of incapitating the bird. Wirbel probably destroys Stark, his nifty little spell seals movement and I don't see Stark having any way to dispel or resist it. Übel vs. Stark depends entirely on how she feels. "Scissors go brrrr through muscles" and she wins, "any scissors would shatter when trying to cut through those chiseled abs" and she loses. 
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Lt. Lizard posted:Stille rely on their magic detection to be able to flee, so I would say Stark could be pretty useful in catching one, as long as he cooperates with someone capable of incapitating the bird. Well, when you think about it tendons are just strings holding the bones together. 
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Übel would try to sympathize with Stark and suddenly find herself talking like an old martial arts master
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quote:Denken would try to sympathize with Stark and suddenly find himself talking like an old martial arts master
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Lt. Lizard posted:Wirbel probably destroys Stark, his nifty little spell seals movement and I don't see Stark having any way to dispel or resist it. Stark would just keep moving, not realizing he had been bound. Magic is all about visualization.
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Lt. Lizard posted:Stille rely on their magic detection to be able to flee, so I would say Stark could be pretty useful in catching one, as long as he cooperates with someone capable of incapitating the bird. Yeah Stark's only real defense is managing to block every one of her attacks with his axe since metal is kinda hard to cut....
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