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drilldo squirt posted:The best part is punching them works. Almost a millennium of cybernetic enhancement acquired from the assimilation of thousands of species vs. A knuckle sandwich
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redshirt posted:Trek lost their boldness along the way, so recycling plots and popular characters becomes a go-to creative choice. It's like Doctor Who and the Daleks. Gotta keep 'em coming back.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Its just writers ignoring everything the previous writers came up with to tell their own version. Don't forget the bonus one that the Bluegill were originally supposed to have summoned the Borg with their mysterious signal into deep space.
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I suddenly wonder if borg nanoprobes are just an assimilated microbe species with some degree of forming sentient colonies. It would at least show how crazy the borg might get with assimilation.
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"You think Quark has something do with this?" "I always investigate Quark " Never change Odo.
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redshirt posted:The amusing thing about the Borg in Trek is they were the "fearsome, implacable, inscrutable" enemy just for a couple of episodes. TNG started humanizing them pretty quick, and then movies and the Queen, then Voyager and Enterprise. That happened because the showrunners were actually annoyed how perfect the Borg was as an enemy; you cannot reason with it, it does not care and it does not differentiate from its objectives. So they made them to have a Queen, or Queens, which have personal agendas and steer the hives as they please. It also didn't come completely from nowhere, because Borgs were originally envisioned to be those insects from the Conspiracy, and in general something akin to Tyranids from WH40K. Gutcruncher posted:On Enterprise they retconned it to “they already sent a signal home, and they’ll receive it in……..THE TWENTY FOURTH CENTURY!!” I actually like how they replaced the general hand-waving because of the changes to the designs between Q Who and Conspiracy, with a stable time loop involving First Contact and that ENT episode.
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Feb 15, 2024 07:29
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Man Dax is getting a lot of almost fatal injuries in season 6
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Feb 15, 2024 07:42
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Non Compos Mentis posted:Man Dax is getting a lot of almost fatal injuries in season 6 Yeah, you hate to see a character receive almost fatal injuries. Almost fatal injuries are a real tragedy.
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The Borg only actually appear 4 times in the entirety of TNG and in only the first two are they actual antagonists. I Borg is about how maybe the Borg aren’t so bad after all and Descent is some desperate ones being taken for a ride by Lore. And really that’s the trajectory they should have stayed on. You don’t worry about them being “too powerful” to be villains because you don’t keep them as “villains”. You keep them as something dangerous that we don’t fully understand and doesn’t fully understand us, but not actively gunning for us like a Klingon suicide squad. The DS9 Prophets are actually a good example of how the Borg should have been used in story after TNG, something scary you try not to piss off with a truly alien thought process, but not beyond contact. Unfortunately FC and Voyager retconned literally everything about them and made them a literal mindless zombie plague that isn’t alien in thought, it’s just Alice Krige being a dick with her collection of meat slaves.
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im pretty sure Picard wore the same outfit as Dax is wearing in this episode while her and Worf trek through a jungle
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JediTalentAgent posted:I suddenly wonder if borg nanoprobes are just an assimilated microbe species with some degree of forming sentient colonies. It would at least show how crazy the borg might get with assimilation. That would actually be a kind of cool idea. Nah, lets not do that, instead we'll have the borg Queen half melted into the bulkhead snarling and hissing as the Ent D pulls some sicc drifts flying around inside her giant exploding cube.
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Confession: In the year 2000...... I wrote a fanfic story (more of an outline that could be turned into a novel) about the creation of the Borg. Standalone story not featuring the Federation or anyone else. Just a group of scientists on a dying world trying to save their civilization.... I really loved that "can't be reasoned with nor do they care about you" aspect of the Borg, but as said, that was gone pretty fast. As an aside, the Replicators of SG-1 remained pretty much a Borg like adversary even as they changed over the show's run.
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I think the Trek solution for an enemy like the Borg that can't be reasoned with, ultimately being "yes we can and will reason with them anyway" is good
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MikeJF posted:My personal fanwank about First Contact is that the time travel was actually the Borg having a bit of a panic after they lost their second cube to the Federation for unknown reasons. The Federation is primitive. That's not supposed to happen. GET RID OF THEM. It's even worse for the Borg when you consider the ENT episode; They sent a Cube to assimilate Earth, Sphere dispatched back in time to just say "gently caress it" and get the Federation before they become capable of defending against the Borg. And now you're realizing the initial signal that prompted the Collective to go look in that corner of the galaxy came from that very Sphere's Drones and the Collective's just having a Collective Sigh over the whole thing being the Collective's own fault and staying away from the Alpha Quadrant for a while to not think about it anymore.
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galagazombie posted:The Borg only actually appear 4 times in the entirety of TNG and in only the first two are they actual antagonists. I Borg is about how maybe the Borg aren’t so bad after all and Descent is some desperate ones being taken for a ride by Lore. And really that’s the trajectory they should have stayed on. You don’t worry about them being “too powerful” to be villains because you don’t keep them as “villains”. I mean to keep space feeling "wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.". Ideal after best of both worlds you don't have the borg turn up again. Now when you design a new spices as memorable as the borg that's never going to happen, but ideally that's what you do. That makes them just one of countless weird unknowable things that just exist in the unknown and could be stumbled upon at any minute. It makes the universe just feel so much larger and mysterious.
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Here's a question - would the Borg have any interest in assimilating the Jem'hadar, given they are also artificially grown drones with inbuilt drug dependency, near zero genetic variation and reduced capacity for higher reasoning?
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Of course they would. They can genetically modify the dependency and the biological aspect of the brainwashing out of them, and in return they get data on super strong, super tough super soldiers who can naturally turn invisible.
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Feb 15, 2024 14:09
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Picard did a big open mouth kiss on the borg queen
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Non Compos Mentis posted:Picard did a big open mouth kiss on the borg queen "Hey wait a minute, you cannot gently caress the Borg, fix this immediately!" Gene Roddenberry, most likely.
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Drone bone or go home
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Cookie Cutter posted:Here's a question - would the Borg have any interest in assimilating the Jem'hadar, given they are also artificially grown drones with inbuilt drug dependency, near zero genetic variation and reduced capacity for higher reasoning? Borg v the Dominion is always a fun "What if" Would be a cool one off story if the Borg found one of the space sent Changelings.
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The cube's limb-chopping machines go haywire, like what do we do here
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Non Compos Mentis posted:im pretty sure Picard wore the same outfit as Dax is wearing in this episode while her and Worf trek through a jungle the replicators have a limited number of patterns it’s how Garak stays in business
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The card game was willing to at least play with that stuff. Mirror, Mirror had Borg Weyoun 
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Patrick Stewart must have been real jealous of all the fighting action Bakula got. The guy has been beaten up or beat up someone frequently, hell maybe more than Kirk. I haven't seen all of TOS which I need to rectify. ENT's Enterprise has really grown on me. It looks great, business like and industrial.
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How confusing is it to the Ferengi that the federation's flagship is named after capitalism
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John Wick of Dogs posted:How confusing is it to the Ferengi that the federation's flagship is named after capitalism interesting to think that enterprise used to mean business and in the post-scarcity federation it now means almost the exact opposite
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redshirt posted:Borg v the Dominion is always a fun "What if" I used to wonder how cool it would be for the Dominion and Borg to interact too, for years. Their borders almost touch afterall, I wonder how hosed up that part of space is? How do you assimilate an ocean of goo? Imagine shapeshifting nanoprobes, it could be like the ultimate grey goo nightmare. Out of all the possibilities, I never considered the answer would be that the changelings, who notoriously hate and distrust solids, just become gormless cannon fodder and do whatever the borg tell them, then they die, each with their own standard issue Odo Bucket.
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CUNNING: 9
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Those loving buckets.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:and the Collective's just having a Collective Sigh I audibly groaned. 
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counterfeitsaint posted:Out of all the possibilities, I never considered the answer would be that the changelings, who notoriously hate and distrust solids, just become gormless cannon fodder and do whatever the borg tell them, then they die, each with their own standard issue Odo Bucket. To be fair, it's only a small off-shoot group of Changelings that were captured and experimented on/tortured by Section 31, and maybe a couple others they convinced to join them.
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Just a giant loving bucket goo flying through space
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You know how Odo’s bucket was a constant reminder for him of his isolation, lack of connection with others, and a source of embarrassment stemming from his self-perceived strangeness and trauma from his childhood? Nah gently caress that everyone gets a bucket.
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When he linked up the rest of the link was like "Oh gently caress that bucket he's complaining about was comfy as gently caress"
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I’m just imagining a space alien making their own “Star Trek” tv show. It has an alien race known as “humans” and the first officer on the ship is Riker. For a couple decades they make more Star Treks and the Human race mostly falls out of the show until one series that heavily features humans. “Every human has a trombone”
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counterfeitsaint posted:I used to wonder how cool it would be for the Dominion and Borg to interact too, for years. Their borders almost touch afterall, Not really: the two ends of the wormhole and where Voyager started form a nearly equilateral triangle. Borg space is many tens of thousands of light years from the Dominion. (Personally, I've always thought of the Borg as being on an entirely different level than the Dominion. The Dominion is powerful and massive but relatively conventional. The Borg are... something else, and the Federation only ever survived because they're very far away and don't actually care much about the Federation) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Feb 15, 2024 |
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