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Levitate posted:Did people really and truly believe that if they elected Biden in the primary and elected him in the general that he'd serve 1 term and then step down because "he's too old"? Or were they just not thinking that hard about it? Yes I think it was widely assumed he wouldn't run again because no one wants an 85 year old president and no wealthy 85 year old should want a highly stressful job.
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Shammypants posted:Biden is now above 40% favorability, and given the trajectory of multiple polls this week, is headed to parity with Trump at about 43-44% by the end of the month. Source? I find this hard to believe especially after Hur's hit job. (Have any polls been conducted since then?)
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-Dethstryk- posted:To be fair, you had articles like this from 2019 going around that Biden was apparently discussing it with aides. For myself, I know this is why I thought it was a real possibility, but I also didn't particularly one way or another if he'd run in 2024 or not at the time. Of course, he directly responded to that article, but why trust the man himself and several named campaign staff when we have anonymous staffers on the record working through their personal anxieties  quote:Former Vice President Joe Biden denied discussing with his campaign advisers whether he would only seek one term in office if elected president-- claims that were first published by POLITICO Wednesday.
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-Dethstryk- posted:To be fair, you had articles like this from 2019 going around that Biden was apparently discussing it with aides. For myself, I know this is why I thought it was a real possibility, but I also didn't particularly one way or another if he'd run in 2024 or not at the time. Based on the current productivity and effectiveness of the WH I honestly don't see an issue. If Biden was going around acting like the senile lunatic that Trump is I'd feel differently. Instead it's mostly him and his entire team just doing the job. If there are secretly people behind the scenes quietly keeping him on track and things are still functional, well sad as it sounds I'll take that over the alternatives.
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There is definitely a subset of journalists, pundits and talking heads who supported Warren or Harris or one of the other Democratic presidential candidates in 2020 who were very gung ho about calling Biden and Sanders feeble in various ways during that primary who suddenly shut up about the whole thing once Biden became the nominee and president. It's hard not to be cynical about the whole thing really.
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Feb 15, 2024 19:49
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/1758160387206443456 So, do the press have the same concerns about coverage of Trump's agility and mental acuity, or is this one of those "we only hold Democrats to this standard" kind of deals?
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Feb 15, 2024 19:52
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Inre the Kansas City shooting, it seems to be a miracle more people weren't killed. According to witness accounts on CNN, it started from an altercation but the shooter just started spinning and shooting in a circle. Looks like there were 19 separate gunshot victims with 9 of those being kids (and then of course more non-gunshot injuries). That is crazy.
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Feb 15, 2024 19:52
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There was, at the time, a general vibe that calling out ages was a Bad Thing. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/juli-n-castro-accused-joe-biden-forgetting-did-he-go-n1054061 I remember this instance very specifically because Castro got blasted by everyone for suggesting Biden forgot something and thus implying he's too old.
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Feb 15, 2024 19:53
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Reporting that Trump said a bunch of stupid nonsense had no effect on his 2016 or 2020 candidacies and may actually have helped him since people tended to read what they wanted to into his brain droppings (see the whole "Donald the Dove" argument we just got over).
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haveblue posted:Reporting that Trump said a bunch of stupid nonsense had no effect on his 2016 or 2020 candidacies and may actually have helped him since people tended to read what they wanted to into his brain droppings (see the whole "Donald the Dove" argument we just got over). That sounds more like an excuse, and in any case the media shouldn't be worrying about what might help or hurt Trump.
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DaveWoo posted:So, do the press have the same concerns about coverage of Trump's agility and mental acuity, or is this one of those "we only hold Democrats to this standard" kind of deals? What reason would the White House press corps, which the article is about, have for covering the former president? You read the article, correct?
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DaveWoo posted:So, do the press have the same concerns about coverage of Trump's agility and mental acuity, or is this one of those "we only hold Democrats to this standard" kind of deals? Let's check the pages of the paper of record https://twitter.com/SER1897/status/1756441569190989897 I see.
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zoux posted:Let's check the pages of the paper of record I think that is a bit tongue in cheek and is actually meant to make fun of Trump.
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mawarannahr posted:What reason would the White House press corps, which the article is about, have for covering the former president? You read the article, correct? Replace “White House press corps” with “the press corps covering Trump”, then. mawarannahr posted:I think that is a bit tongue in cheek and is actually meant to make fun of Trump. Oh come on.
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mawarannahr posted:I think that is a bit tongue in cheek and is actually meant to make fun of Trump. https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1756453489163530335 Haha those jokesters in the press crack me up 
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Feb 15, 2024 20:13
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mawarannahr posted:I think that is a bit tongue in cheek and is actually meant to make fun of Trump. Sorry, but unfortunately it's 100% serious: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/us/politics/biden-trump-aging.html quote:Why the Age Issue Is Hurting Biden So Much More Than Trump
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Feb 15, 2024 20:14
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DaveWoo posted:Oh come on. It is the New York Times, isn't it? I don't think they're that well known for lauding Donald Trump. For the first 100 days, at least, their coverage was overwhelmingly negative, according to a 2017 report from Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy:  It could be that coverage shifted later. Do you know of any newer studies covering the latter part of his administration that show the New York Times changed its tone?
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Feb 15, 2024 20:19
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Biden is old and that's a fact, but it's also a fact that Trump is also old; but the media & pundit sphere seems invested due to the perverse incentives they operate under and the polarization of America in only covering with breathless and reckless abandon only Biden in order to perpetuate the narrative of a horse race. Despite Biden's poor polling its vastly more likely than not he still wins against Trump; but covering this honestly would further put their thumbs on that scale and not generate clicks or revenues or gain clout. It seems entirely too possible that they would be happy to see a Trump win, as covering Trump is typically more "exciting" than Biden, who has been boringly competent and free of real substantiative scandal. Trump's scandals are real with real consequences while Biden's have basically all have been fabricated, but covering them with equal weight keeps the lights on.
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Feb 15, 2024 20:19
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Main Paineframe posted:Sorry, but unfortunately it's 100% serious: It sounds like the article is attributing the physical difference to cosmetics. I don't know why you didn't bold this part, too: quote:Mr. Trump has also faced questions about his health and fitness for office. He is prone to long, incoherent remarks and slip-ups. He has suggested that he defeated Barack Obama, not Hillary Clinton, in the 2016 presidential election, and has warned that the country is on the verge of World War II. In office, he was seen walking haltingly down a ramp and struggling to hold a water glass.
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mawarannahr posted:It is the New York Times, isn't it? I don't think they're that well known for lauding Donald Trump. For the first 100 days, at least, their coverage was overwhelmingly negative, according to a 2017 report from Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy: Everyone was negative after he was elected. But just like 2016, this is the election year, when they were all much more positive to enforce the horse race
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Lemming posted:Everyone was negative after he was elected. But just like 2016, this is the election year, when they were all much more positive to enforce the horse race The coverage encompassed in the chart is from 2017, which was not an election year.
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Bidens team expertly played both sides of the "one-term President" gambit. He never endorsed the concept outright, but as the links above show it was a running theme prior to his announcement, and then while he was running there were frequent articles about Biden being a "bridge to the future" of the "next generation of leaders". Honestly they threaded the needle there amazingly well
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mawarannahr posted:The coverage encompassed in the chart is from 2017, which was not an election year. That's why I said everyone was negative after he was elected. It's not a good comparison to today. A better comparison would be if it was 2016, which was an election year. I'm saying I think it would show they downplayed the trump criticisms like they're doing now
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Lemming posted:That's why I said everyone was negative after he was elected. It's not a good comparison to today. A better comparison would be if it was 2016, which was an election year. I'm saying I think it would show they downplayed the trump criticisms like they're doing now Ah, got it, thanks.
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Trump's age is, like, #8 on the list of reasons he shouldn't be president. With Biden it's the only thing they can really hit him on because he's kind of boring otherwise. They tried the Biden Crime Family stuff but other than his son being an idiot there just wasn't much there.
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Push El Burrito posted:Trump's age is, like, #8 on the list of reasons he shouldn't be president. With Biden it's the only thing they can really hit him on because he's kind of boring otherwise. Nothing there but a sick metal song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJLtHqPA1E
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Push El Burrito posted:Trump's age is, like, #8 on the list of reasons he shouldn't be president. With Biden it's the only thing they can really hit him on because he's kind of boring otherwise. I dunno, it was very impressive how quickly the Biden crime family completely destroyed the Clinton crime family and retroactively became responsible for every bad thing that's ever happened. That takes gumption
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oh man i forgot about the water, that was a fun few days
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mawarannahr posted:It sounds like the article is attributing the physical difference to cosmetics. I don't know why you didn't bold this part, too: The article is neither laudatory nor tongue-in-cheek. It's claiming that Trump looks physically strong and energetic while using makeup and dye to hide signs of age, but still makes mistakes mentally. This is because the article is neither a sloppy blowjob nor a hit piece - it's trying to explore why he might not be perceived as having the same age problems as Biden despite the fact that he probably does.
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The New York Times view on calling balls and strikes is to make sure there is an equal number of them, not to present them accurately.
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Main Paineframe posted:The article is neither laudatory nor tongue-in-cheek. It's claiming that Trump looks physically strong and energetic while using makeup and dye to hide signs of age, but still makes mistakes mentally. This is because the article is neither a sloppy blowjob nor a hit piece - it's trying to explore why he might not be perceived as having the same age problems as Biden despite the fact that he probably does. Though I'm pretty sure most of the people thinking that haven't really seen many relatively recent Trump rallies and are mentally filling in stuff from 2016 when that was all over the air or right-wing meme gifs of happy dancing or something since in more recent appearances the guy much more looks and acts his age.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The recordings of the interview will be the most important part. If he was genuinely fumbling and dazed for most of those questions, then you'll be able to tell. Interestingly, Biden's advisors are apparently gearing up for a clash over the release of the transcripts and recordings and there's apparently internal disagreement over whether they want them released at all: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1758178150297587766?t=zmC96n1Da_vb-BYBX-w3Ow&s=19 It seems to me that if the recordings definitely dispute what Hur is claiming happened and during the interviews and support Biden's version, the Biden administration would be calling for them to be released. This would be an excellent opportunity to show how sharp and focused he is.
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B B posted:Interestingly, Biden's advisors are apparently gearing up for a clash over the release of the transcripts and recordings and there's apparently internal disagreement over whether they want them released at all: It's just five hours of clips his opposition can edit together to make him look as bad as possible, there's no way anyone on the fence is gonna listen to 5 hours of this just to verify that he's sharp, and the media is just gonna both sides it. There's really no advantage to having it released other than possibly disproving some of the really lovely stuff like the forgetting Beau's death.
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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1758240350559240321 How prominent was this guy in the Hunter Biden BS, major source or minor player?
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B B posted:Interestingly, Biden's advisors are apparently gearing up for a clash over the release of the transcripts and recordings and there's apparently internal disagreement over whether they want them released at all: I think giving people 5 hours of unedited audio recordings of yourself in a semi-private discussion would be a bad idea regardless of how eloquent you are.
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in other US news. quote:Ron DeSantis's culture war book banning statute has resulted in chaos, confusion and anger as Florida has banned the highest number of books in the country from schools and public libraries. Florida teachers and libraries face felony charges and up to 5 years in prison for carrying unauthorized books. I doubt he will change much. sure part of this is "oh poo poo, stuff i like is getting banned/etc" but i think he is hoping to throw some chuds and protest claims under the bus so he can have some cover when lawsuits happen. he can't turn the faucet off at this point anyway. its out of his hands to a degree. either way, its looks bad for him and i am glad his career is more hosed.
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Presumably if his candidacy were still alive he would be insisting it was the right call all the way up to election day Here's hoping the rest of Florida eats him alive for sacrificing them on the altar of a doomed campaign
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1758240350559240321 Last summer Grassley was touting the '1023' fbi confidential human source tip from 2020 where the source claimed that Joe Biden was paid through Burisma. It was a very big deal in right wing circles. Fairly major player Imho.
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haveblue posted:Presumably if his candidacy were still alive he would be insisting it was the right call all the way up to election day i mean he is termed out now. i think he is trying to salvage whats left and keep vaguely quiet because he hosed with the money and now the state is brain draining out. Papercut posted:It's just five hours of clips his opposition can edit together to make him look as bad as possible, there's no way anyone on the fence is gonna listen to 5 hours of this just to verify that he's sharp, and the media is just gonna both sides it. There's really no advantage to having it released other than possibly disproving some of the really lovely stuff like the forgetting Beau's death. personally, i am not against them releasing it, but it would be this. plus their probably is classified info in there.
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B B posted:It seems to me that if the recordings definitely dispute what Hur is claiming happened and during the interviews and support Biden's version, the Biden administration would be calling for them to be released. This would be an excellent opportunity to show how sharp and focused he is. With all the clarity and finality of a long-form birth certificate, I'm sure.
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