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szary
Mar 12, 2014
Estonia uses its Finland connection to cosplay as ~*Northern Europe*~, lol

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Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped

szary posted:

Estonia uses its Finland connection to cosplay as ~*Northern Europe*~, lol

We're just jealous.

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped

Torrannor posted:

I was born in East Germany but have lived in the Western part of Germany most of my life now, do I get to post here, too?

Probably more than I can since I lived in NA for the first half of my life.

And if Prague is EE then no f-ing way Chemnitz and Zwickau aren't.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Politics outside SA EE thread: 'Kyiv is Central Europe".
Politics in SA EE thread: "Chemnitz is Eastern Europe".

Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008

Here’s something for you, a trekking shoe manufacturer from southern Germany markets its shoes:

“For more than 300 years, the Meindl name has been synonymous with fine footwear crafted in the traditions of Eastern Europe”

https://meindlusa.com/pages/history

EE good now

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

And significantly, whereas Sweden immediately rebelled against Sigismund, Finnish nobles and the governor of Finland and Estonia, Klaus Fleming, sided with Sigismund. Meanwhile Finnish peasants rebelled and took Duke Karl's side. Alas they were soundly defeated by Fleming's soldiers, and so Finland was 'Polish' until Karl gathered his forces and took Finland back and executed the rebels (well, technically he was the rebel as Sigismund was the legitimate heir...).

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Interesting, Meindl was founded in 1928. I wonder what happened in the following decades.

Apparently no relation to Georg Meindl. Hmhm.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Antigravitas posted:


e: 15.9€ for delivery to a neighbouring country is taking the piss a little.


International shipping within the EU for anyone who isn’t Amazon is seriously hosed. That’s why eBay will never make it here - there’s a lot of stuff I’d buy or sell there, but lol if I need to add anywhere between 15 to 30 EUR or more fir shipping, especially on items like comics or little doodles-dads. Meanwhile Ali-Express ships 0.3 EUR thing for 0.1 EUR from Hong-Kong (yes, I know how logistics work).

I’d be good if they’d introduce some EU level regulation for this.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Mokotow posted:

International shipping within the EU for anyone who isn’t Amazon is seriously hosed. That’s why eBay will never make it here - there’s a lot of stuff I’d buy or sell there, but lol if I need to add anywhere between 15 to 30 EUR or more fir shipping, especially on items like comics or little doodles-dads. Meanwhile Ali-Express ships 0.3 EUR thing for 0.1 EUR from Hong-Kong (yes, I know how logistics work).

I’d be good if they’d introduce some EU level regulation for this.

The same protocols and accords that let hong kong sellers on aliex ship for peanuts using epacket works in most of continental europe, it's just that the chances of the package being lost increase significantly so it's seldomly used. The more expensive shipping options at least expect me to sign the delivery slip instead of throwing the package over the mailboxes and hope for the best.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68264363


quote:

The president of Hungary has resigned live on television over a decision to pardon a man convicted of covering up a child sexual abuse case.

It was revealed last week Katalin Novak had given clemency to a man jailed for forcing children to retract sexual abuse claims against a director of a state-run children's home.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
A cruel joke on people who don't know that Hungary isn't a presidential republic.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Guy was probably Orbán's mother's brother's niece's sixth cousin-in-law.

advanced statsman
Dec 26, 2012

ISLAM FC

OddObserver posted:

Politics outside SA EE thread: 'Kyiv is Central Europe".
Politics in SA EE thread: "Chemnitz is Eastern Europe".

Brandenburg’s real name is Bramborska, and i think that speaks for itself

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped
How can a large flat white cost €3.50 in Amsterdam but 24 zł in my second tier city in Poland? Where retail rent, business licensing fees, and especially labour costs are lower? Barriers to entry too.

How can an oil change, where the material costs are similar, the rent cheaper, the mechanics get paid less, and the owner will insist they're barely scraping buy cost more here than in Germany?

How can a product produced in Poland cost more here than in stores in France? (Granted, this isn't extremely common but it does happen much more often than the reverse situation even though the average household incomes have such huge disparities.)

I've brainstormed with people who have graduate degrees in economics, finance, and business administration. We all know it's supply and demand or perception of it but can't make out how cafes here get off charging more than in world cities when there is a fair bit of ostensible competition in both and it would be easier to set up a competing coffeeshop over here. And people are doing so, but charging the same high prices.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Big Barista. :tinfoil:

Barista, Barista, Antifascista! has been seared into my brain and I can't get out.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Economics is just a shameless ideology to explain away the injustices produced by the naked, irrational greed of the people making decisions, op. The only thing that can protect you from extortionary practices is the collective umbrella of a civil society that is at least somewhat assertive and aware of being screwed. Eastern Europe jumped straight from "socialist" cronyism to self-destructive consumer barbarism without any intermediate stages where a healthy political culture wrt economic relations could have developed.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Feb 12, 2024

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Much like mathematicians, economists keep promising that their work will lead to tangible benefits, yet here we are and decades of "research" have produced no real world application.

Lichtenstein
May 31, 2012

It'll make sense, eventually.

Bright Bart posted:

How can a large flat white cost €3.50 in Amsterdam but 24 zł in my second tier city in Poland? Where retail rent, business licensing fees, and especially labour costs are lower? Barriers to entry too.

How can an oil change, where the material costs are similar, the rent cheaper, the mechanics get paid less, and the owner will insist they're barely scraping buy cost more here than in Germany?

How can a product produced in Poland cost more here than in stores in France? (Granted, this isn't extremely common but it does happen much more often than the reverse situation even though the average household incomes have such huge disparities.)

I've brainstormed with people who have graduate degrees in economics, finance, and business administration. We all know it's supply and demand or perception of it but can't make out how cafes here get off charging more than in world cities when there is a fair bit of ostensible competition in both and it would be easier to set up a competing coffeeshop over here. And people are doing so, but charging the same high prices.

The wage gap (as compared to the West) is really shrinking rapidly for programmer-adjacent jobs and the rest can get hosed and buy their coffee at Biedronka.

Not sure about oil change though.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

The oil change thing is no mystery either. Go to any podunk town in Schwarz Ost Sud Bergisches Hochland* in Germany, roll up to the local Auto Werkstatt and ask "haben Sie hier kollegen das Polnisch spricht?" and there will always be at least one dude. So the Polish mechanics that stay in Poland want to get paid around as much as they'd get paid in Germany, plus we pay extra for oil-based products, because PiS figured this is a great hidden tax that mostly hits people they hate. BUT conversely many of these jobs no pay less in Germany, thought I can't say how this has impacted oil price changes there.

* Story based on my experiences

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
The Dutch are just much better at capitalism than we are. Which makes sense, they have more experience.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Lichtenstein posted:

The wage gap (as compared to the West) is really shrinking rapidly for programmer-adjacent jobs and the rest can get hosed and buy their coffee at Biedronka.

Not sure about oil change though.

It’s been nearly two decades since I’ve been to one, but Biedronka isn’t actually particularly cheap, is it?

true.spoon
Jun 7, 2012

steinrokkan posted:

Much like mathematicians, economists keep promising that their work will lead to tangible benefits, yet here we are and decades of "research" have produced no real world application.
That’s such a weird comparison. If anything mathematicians tend to embrace the purity of their field untainted by worldly concerns.

On a second thought, theoretical economists seem also not very concerned with the world. The difference is that in mathematics there is very little pretense otherwise.

true.spoon fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Feb 12, 2024

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped

Rinkles posted:

It’s been nearly two decades since I’ve been to one, but Biedronka isn’t actually particularly cheap, is it?

Biedronka, when I've been dragged along inside one or have dashed out to the one just opposite my flat, is similarly priced to the others. And in a way it is more expensive in that it doesn't make a stellar set of house-brands like Lidl does. The one thing I'll give it is that is has sometimes surprised me is that a w times I was there and found like, feta from Greece and halloumi from Cyprus at a reasonable price point.

I don't know why you wouldn't go to Lidl if there's one nearby. It's not perfect or even excellent. But it's both better than the rest and actually good. You can snag a few origin controlled local goods at some larger ones. And no-palm oil stuff. As well as Fair Trade/Rainforest Alliance chocolates/teas/coffees/bananas (which is kind of very important to me). They're the only ones with an in-store 'bakery'. Which like yeah isn't a real bakery but I've seen people scoff at the Lidl selection and then fill their cart with bags of bread from Biedronka as if that comes from some woof-fired family operation out in the exburbs.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Is there a particularly cheap store chain in Poland these days? Maybe one of the Nettos? We’ve had a mass die-off of more expensive stores last few years (Piotr&Pawel, Alma, etc.) but it seems all the cheapo stuff either pulled up (Biedra) or died off (Leader Price). There was that Russian chain that opened a store where they sold bulk frozen stuff but they really picked a bad time.

Comte de Saint-Germain
Mar 26, 2001

Snouk but and snouk ben,
I find the smell of an earthly man,
Be he living, or be he dead,
His heart this night shall kitchen my bread.
I miss my Piotr i Pawel so bad.

it's a eurospar now (and i moved to the suburbs anyway)

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

steinrokkan posted:

Much like mathematicians, economists keep promising that their work will lead to tangible benefits, yet here we are and decades of "research" have produced no real world application.

Firstly, number theory is beautiful and you can't convince me that isn't a tangible benefit. On top of that, most mathematicians at least agree on some common ground, economics as a field has major theories which are incompatible with each other.

Why yes I am a published mathematician and you triggered me :ohdear:

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Numbers theory, like when you run out of fingers :confused:

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

Maybe Dino or Netto you've mentioned. Dino I have nearby gives off old Biedronka vibes with how "na odpierdol" everything is presented. I didn't do any price comparisnons though.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Mokotow posted:

Numbers theory, like when you run out of fingers :confused:

That's why God gave you toes, my friend

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Mokotow posted:

Numbers theory, like when you run out of fingers :confused:

I've never needed more numbers than that

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Rappaport posted:

Firstly, number theory is beautiful and you can't convince me that isn't a tangible benefit. On top of that, most mathematicians at least agree on some common ground, economics as a field has major theories which are incompatible with each other.

Why yes I am a published mathematician and you triggered me :ohdear:

If it's so great, why is it just a theory, huh?

true.spoon posted:

That’s such a weird comparison. If anything mathematicians tend to embrace the purity of their field untainted by worldly concerns.

More like a bunch of freeloaders untainted by common sense!

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Get their asses!

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped
The Guardian is the only global new source I still skim through occasionally but it seems they haven't changed since its really weird habit of giving anti-EE xenophobes a platform started getting attention back in the early 2000s. Don't get me wrong, overall the editorial direction is very much pro-Ukraine.

But right now one of the top opinion pieces is a clown responding to Trump's comments by saying they went too far and disbanding NATO is nonsense sure but admitting Poland and the Baltic States was provocation and Article 5 should be looked at in light of the fact that while Russia is unlikely to outright annex any of these countries it may well infringe on their territory and 'Western' countries have too much on their plate already without having to defend marginal post-Soviet states out east.

It's not exactly travel pieces about authors who visited 'Polish death camps' and are wondering if we're too hard on the Germans for WWII that concludes "gently caress the Poles" from a few decades back, or a trip to Gdańsk that concludes it's all broken bottles and potholes and the Polish have ruined what is clearly a German city more recently. But it's preposterous none the less.

I get that these ideas are not impossible to find among the British middle-brow classes but it sure seems like some editor high up must just really hate Poles and Lithuanians.

Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Feb 16, 2024

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

navalny dead

I had no expectations but I can't believe they actually did it...

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

They’re very consistent, yea

TearsOfPirates
Jun 11, 2016

Stultior stulto fuisti, qui tabellis crederes! - Idiot of idiots, to trust what is written!
I'm not sure why that's surprising?

I thought he died a long time ago, given how quickly Russia goes with defenestration/assassination upon people that they dislike.

Guess Putin had enough of torturing the guy.

Bright Bart
Apr 27, 2020

False. There is only one electron and it has never stopped
Was there any reason for them not to kill him? Like with everything the USSR does, their allies and bootlickers run the gamut of buying the flimsiest cover story or making one up for themselves, 'both sides'-ing the issue, not caring, believing Russia did it but that they did the right thing, to thinking they did it and it was illegal and immoral but that doing it actually makes look cool & strong in spite of/because of this.

Why not kill him?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Probably doesn't really matter that much because it's not like anyone would do anything about it, but at least it lets the likes of Tucker to lick putins rear end in a top hat without having to explain away blatant murders. Plus it keeps helps maintain the impression that everything is totally legit domestically.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Bright Bart posted:

Was there any reason for them not to kill him? Like with everything the USSR does, their allies and bootlickers run the gamut of buying the flimsiest cover story or making one up for themselves, 'both sides'-ing the issue, not caring, believing Russia did it but that they did the right thing, to thinking they did it and it was illegal and immoral but that doing it actually makes look cool & strong in spite of/because of this.

Why not kill him?

Well Russia did not really want to become a true pariah state so keeping polical prisoners (especially of Navany stature) alive is an important part of that.

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Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Now everything is really ready for the big electoral event.

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