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Bald Stalin posted:In a settler colonial state such as Australia, is the primary contradiction Capitalism or the Colony? What's the driving force behind colonialism?
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Feb 15, 2024 22:05
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Orange Devil posted:What's the driving force behind colonialism? I thought it was profits/capitalism but Ferrinus posted:if historical example is anything to go by, the colony
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Feb 15, 2024 22:22
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chain probe
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Feb 15, 2024 22:24
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Definitely profits, but a lot of colonization happened in the pre-capitalist era using a slavery mode of production. Slavery has its own contradictions. And slavery coexisting with capitalism definitely had something to do with the form it took in chattel slavery.
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Feb 15, 2024 22:25
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Zodium posted:chain probe You could read a lot of capital 1 in six hour chunks over a month. Just saying
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Feb 15, 2024 22:31
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mila kunis posted:the most annoying thing* about us losing the cold war is that the stupidest morons can say 'Scoreboard!'. unfortunately we do have to kiss the rings, thats how it works mark immune posted:alright president xi, do your thing
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Feb 15, 2024 22:39
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Halser posted:Somehow, Communism returned like a fuckin specter!
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Feb 15, 2024 22:41
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Orange Devil posted:Definitely profits, but a lot of colonization happened in the pre-capitalist era using a slavery mode of production. colonialism pre-dates industrial capitalism sure, but merchant's capital was the driving impetus for colonization
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Feb 15, 2024 22:42
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mao used "primary contradiction" not to mean what's at the ultimate root of everything (which is of course capital's need to expand itself) but what's currently load-bearing, or what, in the course of being resolved, will make it possible to resolve all the others. so it's not like colonialism is somehow separate from and worse than capitalism, but that colonialism is the main pillar propping capital up or the first layer of ablative armor capitalism's built around itself
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Feb 15, 2024 22:52
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Ferrinus posted:mao used "primary contradiction" not to mean what's at the ultimate root of everything (which is of course capital's need to expand itself) but what's currently load-bearing, or what, in the course of being resolved, will make it possible to resolve all the others. so it's not like colonialism is somehow separate from and worse than capitalism, but that colonialism is the main pillar propping capital up or the first layer of ablative armor capitalism's built around itself Thank you this makes it much clearer
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Feb 15, 2024 22:56
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yah people who recognize contradictions but cannot differentiate between them make for difficult people to organize with
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Feb 15, 2024 22:59
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I could have sworn FF recommended some books on late antiquity but I can't find it. Also search "late antiquity" in FFs posts is useless with how much they post about it. Someone recommend me some late antiquity material history books/papers. Like top 3 faves.
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Feb 15, 2024 23:27
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Sylink posted:Presumably some companies are stable if they have monopoly like positions? Like say Coca-Cola? coke's compelled to release new undrinkable flavors constantly. even a 100% market share wouldn't stop capitals drive for "innovation"
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Feb 16, 2024 00:26
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Zodium posted:chain probe
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Feb 16, 2024 00:28
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Ferrinus posted:mao used "primary contradiction" not to mean what's at the ultimate root of everything (which is of course capital's need to expand itself) but what's currently load-bearing, or what, in the course of being resolved, will make it possible to resolve all the others. so it's not like colonialism is somehow separate from and worse than capitalism, but that colonialism is the main pillar propping capital up or the first layer of ablative armor capitalism's built around itself People use "primary" and "principal" interchangeably when talking about these things, but I think there's value in sticking with Mao's preference for "principal." That is, if we delineate the two carefully, we can use them in a relative way. The primary unit forms the ground and foundation for the principal, which is the decisive aspect that supervenes upon the primary. So, e.g., the base is primary and the superstructure is principal; the productive relations are logically prior to the political ones, but the political ones generally become about exerting control over economics.
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Feb 16, 2024 00:47
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Aeolius posted:People use "primary" and "principal" interchangeably when talking about these things, but I think there's value in sticking with Mao's preference for "principal." That is, if we delineate the two carefully, we can use them in a relative way. The primary unit forms the ground and foundation for the principal, which is the decisive aspect that supervenes upon the primary. good call. i wasn't sure if i was making the distinction correctly myself, but, due to liberalism, didn't bother to check first
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Feb 16, 2024 01:11
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educating the masses through the lc ... dgcf doing good work.
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Feb 16, 2024 10:24
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:I could have sworn FF recommended some books on late antiquity but I can't find it. Also search "late antiquity" in FFs posts is useless with how much they post about it. Theory as History: Essays on Modes of Production and Exploitation The essays collected here straddle four decades of work in both historiography and Marxist theory, combining source-based historical work in a wide range of languages with sophisticated discussion of Marx's categories. Key themes include the distinctions that are crucial to restoring complexity to the Marxist notion of a 'mode of production'; the emergence of medieval relations of production; the origins of capitalism; the dichotomy between free and unfree labour; and essays in agrarian history that range widely from Byzantine Egypt to 19th-century colonialism. The essays demonstrate the importance of reintegrating theory with history and of bringing history back into historical materialism. An introductory chapter ties the collection together and shows how historical materialists can develop an alternative to Marx's 'Asiatic mode of production'. Antonio Gramsci and the Ancient World Antonio Gramsci and the Ancient World explores the relationship between the work of the Italian Marxist thinker Antonio Gramsci and the study of classical antiquity. The collection of essays engages with Greek and Roman history, literature, society, and culture, offering a range of perspectives and approaches building on Gramsci’s theoretical insights, especially from his Prison Notebooks. The volume investigates both Gramsci’s understanding and reception of the ancient world, including his use of ancient sources and modern historiography, and the viability of applying some of his key theoretical insights to the study of Greek and Roman history and literature. The chapters deal with the ideas of hegemony, passive revolution, Caesarism, and the role of intellectuals in society, offering a complex and diverse exploration of this intersection. With its fascinating mixture of topics, this volume will be of great interest to students and scholars of classics, ancient history, classical reception studies, Marxism and history, and those studying Antonio Gramsci’s works in particular. Geopolitics in Late Antiquity: The Fate of Superpowers from China to Rome Geopolitics in Late Antiquity explores the geopolitical revolution which shook the foundations of the ancient world, the dawning of the millennium of Inner Asian dominance and virtual monopoly of world power (with interludes) that began with the rise of the Huns and then continued under the hegemony of various other steppe peoples. Kim examines first the geopolitical situation created by the rise of Inner Asian powers, and then the reactions of the great empires of Eurasia to this geopolitical challenge. A unique feature of this book is its in-depth analysis of the geostrategies (some successful, others misguided) adopted by China, Rome and Persia to cope with the growing Inner Asian threat. The conclusions and insights drawn from this analysis are then used to inform modern geopolitics, mainly the contest for hegemonic power between the United States and China. Geopolitics in Late Antiquity is a crucial resource for both academic and learned general readership, who have an interest in the fate of antiquity’s superpowers and also for those engaged in current international relations policy-making, who wish to learn from historical precedents.
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Feb 16, 2024 13:29
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Speaking of Gramsci: Selections From The Prison Notebooks any good? I had been thinking about reading some of his stuff but no idea where to start.
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Feb 16, 2024 13:46
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this may not be what your looking for but check out "memoirs of a Chinese marshal" by peng duhai, it's a blast I've found reading books by communists that actually ran states more interesting than eurocommunists
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Feb 16, 2024 15:47
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mila kunis posted:this may not be what your looking for but check out "memoirs of a Chinese marshal" by peng duhai, it's a blast but dont you want to read about how those guys were wrong and evil?
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Feb 16, 2024 15:54
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fart simpson posted:but dont you want to read about how those guys were wrong and evil? You can combine both by reading Trotsky
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Feb 16, 2024 16:25
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Has BillsPhoenix finally hosed back off to Reddit or D&D or whatever lib hole he slimed out of? What a bunch of tedious bullshit that dude spewed, all y'all are saints for tolerating that guy and his "effort" to "educate" himself.
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Feb 16, 2024 18:41
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im sure his frictionless spherical utopia will emerge some day
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Feb 16, 2024 18:44
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mycomancy posted:Has BillsPhoenix finally hosed back off to Reddit or D&D or whatever lib hole he slimed out of? What a bunch of tedious bullshit that dude spewed, all y'all are saints for tolerating that guy and his "effort" to "educate" himself. I appreciated the admission that this was all a waste of time and that he's a dumbass BillsPhoenix posted:Marx was wrong. Capitalism defeated communism.
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Feb 16, 2024 18:45
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the probe reason reading series is 
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Feb 16, 2024 18:48
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once the invisible hand figures out how to create a perfect pareto efficient marketplace, you will all be ashamed of your words and deeds
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Feb 16, 2024 19:03
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mycomancy posted:Has BillsPhoenix finally hosed back off to Reddit or D&D or whatever lib hole he slimed out of? What a bunch of tedious bullshit that dude spewed, all y'all are saints for tolerating that guy and his "effort" to "educate" himself. on the upshot it created some good posts from the people itt that helped an unread fool like me understand a little better
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Feb 16, 2024 19:18
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hubris.height posted:on the upshot it created some good posts from the people itt that helped an unread fool like me understand a little better This is why it's never wasted effort to engage imo. At least until the other person indicates they're the world's stupidest puppetmaster
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Feb 16, 2024 19:19
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it's never a waste of time if others are working together because then we get to learn more stuff overall, but there's a progression on the flux of ideas that make it work and demonstrate that it is a more profound interest going on Like, if we are talking about Adam Smith and David Ricardo, this is early political economy, there's a lot of things here and there that haven't been developed, etc. To go "here's why TRPF doesn't work as evidence of such" is basically leaping out almost three hundred years of reading from one end to another. Then bringing haphazardly other ideas in, like Pareto efficiency, as things-by-themselves that supposedly prove the point...? Well it becomes just a performance where friction is understood as validation, especially with an attitude of "maybe I am just misunderstood"
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Feb 16, 2024 19:40
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a fun mnemonic device i invented to remember what pareto efficiency is, is that you pare to the maximally efficient trade in the market
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Feb 16, 2024 19:44
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i prefer parenti efficiency tbh
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Feb 16, 2024 19:53
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hubris.height posted:on the upshot it created some good posts from the people itt that helped an unread fool like me understand a little better Hey. Hey you. Go read some Marx.
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Feb 16, 2024 19:53
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i've only read excerpts from gramsci's prison notebooks but i liked what i saw. he gets some great burns on trotsky off it's funny that people in the west seem to think gramsci is some sort of ultimate post-modern culture war guy whereas if you read his actual writings he's clearly taking very clear, partisan positions on the line struggles of the day and just plainly affirming that socialism in one country is necessary or whatever
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Feb 16, 2024 20:38
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Orange Devil posted:Hey. Hey you. Go read some Marx. thank you I will
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Feb 17, 2024 01:59
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me to the good faith posters in this thread!!!!
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Feb 17, 2024 02:16
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Youtube recently tossed me in the direction of Paul Cockshott and I found his videos pretty great, binged them the whole week. One place I saw criticism towards him was his point on Unequal exchange, the general gist of it being that it doesn't exist in the act of exchange itself. Posting links just in case someone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNIUK7d8bRM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD-7o1jLxc8 Anyone know of any articles or books that discuss this a bit more in depth? I personally found his explanation to be reasonable, but it'd be nice to get some counterpoints that aren't from reddit or youtube comments.
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Feb 17, 2024 17:27
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I think we discussed some basics of exchange itt (or maybe Asia thread)
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Feb 17, 2024 18:12
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I do remember reading about it here, but can't find it now searching explicitly for "unequal exchange" here or in the asia thread.
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if I am understanding it correctly, to cut it clean, Paul misunderstood the idea of unequal exchange in a pretty loving dire way
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