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hot cocoa on the couch posted:climbing mountaisn rules
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DurianGray posted:Antarctica still has its own extreme-sports-related horrors, like polar thigh (probably don't look at the pictures if you're eating or plan to eat in the near future). Interesting that this was not suffered by the polar explorers of old, since they were surely wearing wool long underwear. Since it seems to be correlated with thicker thighs and those guys seemed to suffer a lot of privation back in the day, I'm guessing they had skinnier legs.
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Feb 15, 2024 03:04
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:Interesting that this was not suffered by the polar explorers of old, since they were surely wearing wool long underwear. Since it seems to be correlated with thicker thighs and those guys seemed to suffer a lot of privation back in the day, I'm guessing they had skinnier legs. Yeah I definitely wonder how much of it comes down to sweating/chafing/exertion on top of the clothing materials. Like the current south pole speed record is about 22 days, but (for comparison) it took Amundsen about two months when he was the first to reach it (he was also using dog sleds for a lot of it, so less strain from manhauling your own stuff I'd assume). I read a lot about polar exploration disasters for fun, but I haven't yet seen anything similar to polar thigh get mentioned so far. Tbf, in most of the time periods I've read about so far they're way more preoccupied with scurvy and general starvation. But really advanced scurvy can also cause rashes/lesions on the legs so maybe they conflated it with that if it did happen back then. Who knows!
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Feb 15, 2024 03:18
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ngl i got a climbing mountains boner recently and i dont really know why. just seems badass. thos mounts sittin there all climbable are fuckin asking for it. i feel called to climb is this what shatner was talking bout with his “captain kirk wants to make love to the mountain” spiel cause i feel it
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Feb 15, 2024 04:01
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PittTheElder posted:Well helicopters wouldn't struggle quite the same way since the absolute height (and thus air pressure) is so much lower, the highest peak in Greenland is only 3700m, compared to like 8850m for Everest. Even Everest base camp is 5400m. 3700m is crazy high for a helicopter. They don't have pressurized cockpits so above 3,048 m pilots are typically required to have supplemental air supplies. They aren't climbing slowly so they need oxygen to keep from passing out without acclimatization and so would any of the sampling crew. You can't just helicopter up the mountain and get to work. Most helicopters aren't designed to operate that high without being stripped down to minimum payload either. The combination of wind, high altitude, payload, and hover all add up. It would probably make more sense for the ground crew to climb up and have a helicopter sling load gear in and core samples out than try to land a full team and gear from a helicopter.
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Feb 15, 2024 05:28
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dreezy posted:ngl i got a climbing mountains boner recently Prove it
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Feb 15, 2024 05:38
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knox_harrington posted:Ah Jeremie Heitz. He filmed La Liste in the mountains around here, really amazing, scary stuff (that's a good article as well). Thanks for linking this. Absolutely stunning and vertigo inducing. What a watch, I wish it was longer!
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Feb 15, 2024 06:44
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Leviathan Song posted:3700m is crazy high for a helicopter. They don't have pressurized cockpits so above 3,048 m pilots are typically required to have supplemental air supplies. They aren't climbing slowly so they need oxygen to keep from passing out without acclimatization and so would any of the sampling crew. You can't just helicopter up the mountain and get to work. Really? You had best tell all the people operating helicopters in the Alps. Not to mention the guy who landed one on the summit of Everest.
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Feb 15, 2024 07:30
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knox_harrington posted:Really? You had best tell all the people operating helicopters in the Alps. Not to mention the guy who landed one on the summit of Everest. all of which have the various compromises and modifications he listed helicopters are the most maintenance-intensive machines ever created. they're mind-bogglingly expensive to operate, and the cost to operate them for one-off use cases (like carrying people to a mountaintop in one of the most remote and hostile environments on earth) increases logarithmically the more further-removed you are from ordinary, routinely economically viable locations and use cases. those alpine helicopters could do it, if they and all their support infrastructure wasn't on the other side of an ocean. the everest thing was so improbable that most people were certain it would never happen even if the math said it was on the edge of possibility
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Feb 15, 2024 14:55
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Yeah idiot you only need a specialized turbine helicopter that Airbus specifically had a test pilot exceed the safe maximum altitude by 6000 feet on for a stunt that could’ve gotten him killed, why can’t you do it all the time!!!
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Feb 15, 2024 15:39
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Was just thinking about the Mt. Hood SAR helicopter crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjDpVU8qWWc It's a crazy challenging environment to fly in. You can have zero depth perception because of the white snow, plus gusting winds causing unexpected up- and down-drafts.
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Feb 15, 2024 15:58
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Bubbacub posted:Was just thinking about the Mt. Hood SAR helicopter crash: Holy poo poo, they eventually put that helicopter back into service after it was lifted off the mountain and repaired.
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Feb 15, 2024 16:17
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was hanging out on my uncle's pumpkin farm in Bismarck, ND, when a helicopter started circling and then landed. turns out someone had arranged for a flight for him as a thank-you present. the operator hung out for a while after taking him on a quick trip around the area and the thing I remember being most surprised by is how loving much it costs to operate a helicopter just in fuel costs alone
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Feb 15, 2024 16:24
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Yeah I figured they couldn't do it on the big peak, I was more curious about why they didn't land on the glacier which is about 1600m. Of course they just want to climb the wall, but maybe it is just cheaper to walk/climb everywhere since they wanted to take core samples along the way.
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Feb 15, 2024 16:41
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Using helicopters for entertainment purposes is horribly selfish. Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you should. Everyone should sit in their rooms in silence to avoid wasting our precious resources.
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Feb 15, 2024 17:37
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way ahead of ya there
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im doing my part
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I'm doing my part!
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Bubbacub posted:Was just thinking about the Mt. Hood SAR helicopter crash: One part of that accident that blows me away is that at 1:22-1:23, you can see an object fall out and land right in front of the tumbling helicopter. That's a person who was ejected. It appears that it rolls right on top of him, but incredibly, it caught just enough air as it was rolling to crush him into the snow but not kill him. At 2:12 you can see one of the rescuers who has run down the mountain reach him. Dude had a horseshoe up his rear end. Edited to correct my faulty memory of how the guy survived. Here's a video with an interview of the guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEbMJuyRnHc Mr. Funny Pants fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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I’ve got a family member who was in an high altitude alpine helicopter that crashed. Basically trying to land… a rogue wind gust on a “calm” day threw it off the nearby ledge like it was nothing. Immediately at the wrong angle to recover even if they were at sea level lift and not high altitudes like they were. The pilot was already rag-dolled off the controls anyways. You don’t want to fucky with that
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Feb 16, 2024 00:50
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alpine helicoptering classic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3rR8OIkSpA nobody was injured apparently, but i have to guess that was the last time that pilot flew government property
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Feb 16, 2024 01:00
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Lol god drat, Gene Cernan would be proud of that one
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Feb 16, 2024 09:09
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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lol I bet crashing an apache sucks!
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Feb 16, 2024 10:16
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lol at first it looked like "maybe with the snow it wasn't even totaled" but then at the very end you see it off in the distance cartwheeling and oh dear
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MrQwerty posted:lol I bet crashing an apache sucks! idk they're pretty nice, maybe its good??
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20 Blunts posted:idk they're pretty nice, maybe its good?? it's a big armored helicoptering tub designed like a helicopter A-10, I bet it is the nicest high-speed high-altitude helicopter crash you could possibly have
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Feb 16, 2024 15:07
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Air density (the lack of). Thats the root of all problems.
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AutismVaccine posted:Air density (the lack of). Thats the root of all problems. The root of all helicopter problems, especially
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In my experience crashing in a Chinook was a far better experience than crashing in a Blackhawk. The added bulk is paradoxically comforting when it's matching speed with you. I wouldn't recommend either though.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:In my experience crashing in a Chinook was a far better experience than crashing in a Blackhawk. The added bulk is paradoxically comforting when it's matching speed with you. Hold on, how many helicopter crashes have you survived?
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Feb 16, 2024 16:13
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Two, which is more than enough frankly. Don't join the Army, kids!
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im surprised they let you pilot the chinook after crashing the blackhawk
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The funniest thing about the Blackhawk crash is that I was recording crew audio during and afterwards (so I couldn't hear it live) so after the fact I got the terrifying real time ohshitohshitohs- of the crew chief but also sullen regret of the rear end in a top hat captain that nearly killed me crying about how *this one* meant his career was hosed.
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Feb 16, 2024 16:30
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That's incredible! I guess you can say you put 2 up on Kobe.
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Feb 16, 2024 16:47
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did the pilot know he was going to be found reckless or negligent or something, or does the army just automatically punish anyone who crashes like its iracing
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:The funniest thing about the Blackhawk crash is that I was recording crew audio during and afterwards (so I couldn't hear it live) so after the fact I got the terrifying real time ohshitohshitohs- of the crew chief but also sullen regret of the rear end in a top hat captain that nearly killed me crying about how *this one* meant his career was hosed. ... How many helicopters does it take to crash your career?
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Feb 16, 2024 18:38
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Is it more or less than McCain got to crash in his career
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Feb 16, 2024 18:43
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it seems like much younger guys were flying aircraft back in the day in general
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Two, which is more than enough frankly. No worry there unless they start drafting fat 40-year-olds *Gilligan cut to me in cadpat on a beat to poo poo sea king on my way to Ellesmere Island to be thrown into the neosoviet meatgrinder*
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I am going to be the first climber to summit without pooping for 3 weeks so I don't have to carry it: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68237123
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