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Socialism is, and I havent read as much theory as I'd like, completely at odds with being landed nobility who has peasantry do all the agricultural labor, I'm pretty sure
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Buschmaki posted:Socialism is, and I havent read as much theory as I'd like, completely at odds with being landed nobility who has peasantry do all the agricultural labor, I'm pretty sure you ask a lotta peeps what they wanna do with their lives after socialism has been achieved for that kinda messianic socialism peep and they just list off a buncha noble landed gentry hobbies, though, so that's a thing
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Hmm, yes, I see the issue with a classless society trying to coexist with feudalism, an inherently class-based structure.
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If anything as a Marxist one should try to go as extractively feudal as possible, in order to create the conditions for industrial capitalism and thus the eventual revolution.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Probably you cant avoid the bugs by not buying the DLC, they usually come with the update Thanks for the reply, guess I'll pass on W&W. The bugs or poorly designed gameplay that mainly annoyed me in F&F, were related to the feud system and so a part of the DLC itself.
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Is Wards & Wardens the one that lets you spend a ton of money to go to University and get a 5 star education or turn into a party animal? Because that has some fun events. I do know it's the one that lets you pass on a trait to anyone you're educating, which can be amazing.
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binge crotching posted:Is Wards & Wardens the one that lets you spend a ton of money to go to University and get a 5 star education or turn into a party animal? Because that has some fun events. I do know it's the one that lets you pass on a trait to anyone you're educating, which can be amazing. Yes, those are all from W&W. I know the University visit activity is DLC locked but I didn't know whether "deliberately pass on a trait instead of relying on the event coming up" was in the free update or not. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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binge crotching posted:Is Wards & Wardens the one that lets you spend a ton of money to go to University and get a 5 star education or turn into a party animal? Because that has some fun events. I do know it's the one that lets you pass on a trait to anyone you're educating, which can be amazing. Yeah, there are some cool events but all in all, its not much imo The visit university activity is incredibly OP, though Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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new dev diary - Legends and Lesions full body blisters, yay! there are not many details so far, but legitimacy mechanic seems interesting but release bugfix patch already!
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Good stuff. Also wow March 4th is really close, I need to step on it to finish this Ummayads Strike Back run before then!
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Oh wow, diseases, imperial mechanics and landless? If they pull this off then CK3 will finally surpass CK2 imoPittTheElder posted:If anything as a Marxist one should try to go as extractively feudal as possible, in order to create the conditions for industrial capitalism and thus the eventual revolution. Feudalism didn't produce much surplus and exhausted the land over time, producing crises. Capitalism was created out of colonialism and new trade networks, not out of the serfs producing enough grain.
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Mantis42 posted:Oh wow, diseases, imperial mechanics and landless? If they pull this off then CK3 will finally surpass CK2 imo Er, not quite. It's mainly the other way around, colonialism was driven by capitalist economic forces; i.e the whole paragraph in the Manifesto about the bourgeois recreating itself across the globe/finding new markets and more thoroughly exploiting markets at home etc. An alternate timeline where Europeans are driven into the Atlantic ocean after first making landfall in the Americas would still result in capitalism as we know it existing.
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I mean capitalism as a hegemonic force, which the bourgeoisie existed prior to. Of course they pursued capitalist accumulation, that's what defines them as a class, but it was the plunder of the new world that let them challenge and displace the old order.
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Curiously I was reading Marx himself talking about that recently Colonialism was a big part of it of course, but more related to CK times, he also talks about how the feudal lords stole the communal lands that belonged to the peasants by right, from where they got their own subsistence, and than rented those lands to the bourgeoisie mostly to grown sheep, which provided wool for the early manufactories while at the same time creating a working class that had nothing to sell but their work and needed to sell it because they no longer could provide their own subsistence And how the kings initially resisted this and tried to protect those communal lands, to prevent the nobles from becoming too rich and powerful, but than in some countries like England, the catholic church was expelled and their lands all confiscated by the crown and than the kings also got into the business of selling/renting land for commercial farming and that hasted the end of feudalism
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Marx would have wanted achievements to be possible with gay marriage enabled. Or he wouldn't have. Whichever one makes you agree with it more.
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since paradox is talking about landless gameplay, i think this opens up the potential to play as claimants and adventurers, with gameplay centred around using skills and diplomacy in order to build up some military ability, or engineer events using intrigue to gain landed titles. imagine being the descendant of a kingdom which lost all its titles and only has claims, and becoming a courtier who has to use diplomacy in order to build up a force to take things back later, from foreign lands. this would make it so that a game over is when your dynastic bloodline dies out, and not necessarily when you lose territory.
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I could see landless characters being a big avenue for future expansions. Merchants of the Silk Road, where you are landless and competing against other caravans, Holy-War knights and mercenaries where you are landless and hoping to establish yourself, Pirate Lord declaration where instead of turning the Isle of Man into a pirate kingdom, instead you leave land entirely, get an upgradable fleet that you move around and raid as much as you can until either you die or decide to settle down.
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Also, if they open up what could be defined as your successor (which they've already done a bit by adding adoption), then that opens the door to playing in the Catholic Church.
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Not just the catholic church, but the leader of a dangerous
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itinerant and heretical catholic priest proselytizing the mongolian steppes, while using the accolade system to choose an heir does sound cool. prester jane will rise again!
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Lol I went to University and I destroyed someone with my facts and logic so bad they stressed the gently caress out and had a heart attack. Literally killing people with my mind powers.
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Modern Paradox only releases patches in conjunction with paid DLC. They might fix the one issue that formats your hard drive, but only if it immediately follows the release of an "experience pack."
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Bird in a Blender posted:Lol I went to University and I destroyed someone with my facts and logic so bad they stressed the gently caress out and had a heart attack. Literally killing people with my mind powers. Ok, let's say that hypothetically the Earth rotates around the Sun and not the other way around, as liberals so often like to claim. Where is the wind? If the Earth is moving I should feel a breeze, such as one feels when traveling in a moving vehicle. Explain that, you can't. Second, if I throw a ball straight up it should not land where I originally threw it, as by your OWN logic, the Earth should have have moved in that time. There is no justification for the so-called heliocentric model, it's just Woke Hermeticism trying to undermine our traditional Christian values.
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Mantis42 posted:Ok, let's say that hypothetically the Earth rotates around the Sun and not the other way around, as liberals so often like to claim. Where is the wind? If the Earth is moving I should feel a breeze, such as one feels when traveling in a moving vehicle. Explain that, you can't. Second, if I throw a ball straight up it should not land where I originally threw it, as by your OWN logic, the Earth should have have moved in that time. There is no justification for the so-called heliocentric model, it's just Woke Hermeticism trying to undermine our traditional Christian values. If I open the door of my house during winter, I'm going to feel wind, but that doesn't mean the world is turning in that direction, you fool. Beside, there is a difference between going fast and just feeling the wind. On top of that, if I were to throw a ball, I could have it spin, go in one direction and still reach the ground nonetheless. An object can have multiple movement independent from one another. So, before you insult my intelligence, try to get a better look of yourself. Perhaps, if you weren't so blinded by your overinflated ego, you would notice that the word coming out of your mouth are no better than the one of a drunkard, because the Egyptian and Greek have proved this case for years before Jesus birth!
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i have grand marry betrothed some son to a foreign leader, but she was imprisoned briefly due to some stupid civil war while planning the grand wedding, which canceled planning they are now two 20yos locked in betrothal with apparently no way to marry them. i can't re-plan the grand wedding because it was cancelled :|
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Landless gameplay opens up so many insane possibilities, it owns. We could also probably get merchant republics back by removing the "holding territory" part or making it truly a lategame thing, instead just focusing on the business/influence part of being a merchant family. Seriously tho, you'd be able to play Skyrim as an adventurer in CK3 using the Elder Scrolls mod, that's nuts.
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toasterwarrior posted:Landless gameplay opens up so many insane possibilities, it owns. We could also probably get merchant republics back by removing the "holding territory" part or making it truly a lategame thing, instead just focusing on the business/influence part of being a merchant family. merchant republics was already kinda landless gameplay, so ck2 has set the precedent. imagine playing genghis khan before he took power and united the tribes.
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I don't really get the desire for completely different game modes in CK3. Like why not just play a different game at that point, like mount and blade or something I'd much rather they focus on making the existing game more deep and interesting tbh
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Fajita Queen posted:I don't really get the desire for completely different game modes in CK3. Like why not just play a different game at that point, like mount and blade or something I truly treat this game more like an RPG than a 4x game. with that in mind, changing how characters interact with the game world excites me as it allows me to play wildly different characters in the same world. In that way the existing game is more deep and interesting as it has more deep and interesting characters. If it can be done, why not. Do you just play a single nation in this game every time, or do you mix it up?
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Fajita Queen posted:I don't really get the desire for completely different game modes in CK3. Like why not just play a different game at that point, like mount and blade or something For me I'm just not really sure how Paradox can make the gameplay deeper or more interesting, especially not without also hurting balance? I already dislike how popup heavy the game is, especially for multiplayer. I haven't played in a while as I mainly play CK for megacampaigns, maybe I'd have a different wishlist if I played it again. Landless gameplay and merchant republics feels like that would offer more varied gameplay options, and perhaps most importantly allow for a more convenient means of avoiding the host crashing to the desktop if he gets wiped out.
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Fajita Queen posted:I don't really get the desire for completely different game modes in CK3. Like why not just play a different game at that point, like mount and blade or something Yeah, this is pretty much how I'm feeling as well. I think an example of this was raised by someone a few pages back with regards to religion, there's more that could be done there to flesh out existing ones rather than options for creating your own. With Catholicism, for example, you could port over or adapt the papal election and bishop mechanics from CK2, but some new ones dealing with things like monasteries could be interesting. Also, I know it's a minority opinion but even just the one bookmark starting in the high/late Middle Ages would be great. I know there are a few mods that offer this, but none of them are perfect (even the best ones have a few flaws with the map or tech levels, and dynasties all start with 0 legacies).
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Hihohe posted:I truly treat this game more like an RPG than a 4x game. with that in mind, changing how characters interact with the game world excites me as it allows me to play wildly different characters in the same world. I mix it up, but frequently find myself running into the same things over and over within single playthroughs. I'd rather have more things to do in one dynasty than have lots of different kinds of dynasties that all repeat themselves over and over, if that makes sense? CK3 feels like a wide but shallow pond, much moreso than CK2.
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Landless characters might be a good setup for things like to changeup the Catholic Church and over non-landed organizations that were still pretty powerful? Instead of being off map, all of the non-landed priest characters can be more relevant?
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:i have grand marry betrothed some son to a foreign leader, but she was imprisoned briefly due to some stupid civil war while planning the grand wedding, which canceled planning I have seen an inordinate amount of bugs around grand weddings. Can you break the betrothal and do it again?
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who gives a poo poo about any religious changes that aren't letting me be antipope yet. this is insane it was in ck2 forever!
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Fajita Queen posted:I don't really get the desire for completely different game modes in CK3. Like why not just play a different game at that point, like mount and blade or something different game modes i.e. more options make the game more deep and interesting.
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So I got the Ummayad Strikes Back achievement. If you are Muwalladi you get an option to appoint a noble caliph which counts as holding the Sunni Caliphate even if the Ash'ari one still exists, which makes it easier. I decided to also go for the Iberian Conciliation achievement since it was the last one I needed for Iberian struggle endings and oof. That one is rough. You really have to force Conciliation phase, I probably gave out like 10k gold in gifts and had like twenty friends and was constantly releasing, re-vassalizing, and releasing again when truce expired.
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Fajita Queen posted:I don't really get the desire for completely different game modes in CK3. Like why not just play a different game at that point, like mount and blade or something The Byzantines are right there on the map and are a major player, and it seems to me one of the primary goals of the upcoming content is to make that different. There are some unique things about Byzantine culture but mostly they just operate as feudals that get early Primogeniture. Which is not very historically accurate (which is meh for me) or interesting (much more important imo). So if this isn't making the "existing game more deep and interesting" at least in intent I guess I'm not getting what you're saying. I do hope there's some tempering of expectations on the part of the community in regards to this, as we're almost certainly not going to just be able to open up the game and pick literally any character on the map and play as them. The steam page describes landless gameplay in two contexts, that as a Byzantine noble with a family estate jockeying for power as a governor within the Imperial administration, and an adventurer that can earn a landed title through merit. The latter is certainly more open-ended, but we'll have to see just how it's implemented. I dunno, I think the minute-to-minute gameplay in CK3 is already fleshed out enough that I'd prefer more variety in flavor and style of play rather than adding more plates to spin (like societies or something), so this all sounds good to me.
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