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Kinda hard to tell, but did Israel lose any wars after the Romans took over? Same for Iceland and the Danes
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OwlFancier posted:What war did Ireland lose? The English conquered them.
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Not sure what war Iceland lost. I guess the civil war in the 13th century but by the nature of such conflicts they also won it.
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i feel like kenya doesn't count there either what with famously losing their initial war for independence also don't interrogate why oman doesn't control zanzibar anymore anyway lol korea
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Feb 16, 2024 21:52
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FreudianSlippers posted:Not sure what war Iceland lost. Occupied by the Allies during World War Two.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Occupied by the Allies during World War Two. The kingdom of Iceland wasn't a part of the war until after the occupation so that doesn't count.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Not sure what war Iceland lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iceland FreudianSlippers posted:The kingdom of Iceland wasn't a part of the war until after the occupation so that doesn't count. I mean they still got invaded and occupied, a lot of people weren't involved in the war until someone invaded and occupied them 
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Feb 16, 2024 22:00
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It's an inherently dumb map because 1) states/political entities throughout history have constantly (e)merged, disappeared, expanded, split, been conquered, lost territory, changed ruling class or government system, etc., so it is almost meaningless to say that a specific state with its specific borders as it happens to exist in 2024 has 'never lost a war' and 2) there is a certain degree of arbitrariness in determining what counts as 'losing a war' to begin with. Your example of Iceland - they were invaded and occupied by the Allies during WWII, against their will. Does that count? Or does there need to be a certain amount of bloodshed? Korea is also very dodgy, I don't remember all the specifics, but the precursor Korean kingdoms were involved in a bunch of wars both against each other and the Chinese. Even if you just look at Korea from unification onwards, the successful Japanese takeover of the Korean peninsula involved mass violence, despite the lack of an official declaration of war. It's just a bad map on a conceptual level, assuming it's not a trolling attempt to begin with, not even worth nitpicking. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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Feb 16, 2024 22:03
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If they're talking wars lost since establishing the current state, I'm not sure Ireland or Austria have ever even fought any wars.BonHair posted:Kinda hard to tell, but did Israel lose any wars after the Romans took over? Same for Iceland and the Danes There were some uprisings that had some really nasty reprisals. Genocidal even. Also it was conquered a few times between the Sassanids, various Muslim groups, and the Crusaders. Although zooming in on this map, Israel seems to be flooded.
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OwlFancier posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iceland Is it a war if nobody actually does any fighting at all? The closest thing to fighting was the Brits arresting German officials and a few local Nazis and shipping them to Britain. Iceland didn't even have a militia so there was no one to fight back even if anyone had wanted to. Also technically the Republic of Iceland, the modern state, wasn't founded until 1944 and thus did not participate in the invasion. Although the change from constitutional kingdom to republic was mostly just going through the already established constitution for the and replacing every instance of "king" with "president" but making no other meaningful changes. Now the later Cod Wars against the Brits we won all of those handily despite not having a military. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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Feb 16, 2024 22:15
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Iceland said, "we are neutral, don't do this," and then men with guns came and did it anyway. That's an invasion. If you capitulate without firing a shot that doesn't mean you didn't lose. The map may be contradictory and purposefully inflammatory, but I'd be comfortable saying Iceland lost.
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Look I am not "robbing the bank" I just show up at the bank with a mask on and a shotgun and they put all the money in my bag. It was entirely voluntary on their part.
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  Unlike so many islands colonized, Iceland is stalemated at best against its most fearsome predator. For more than a thousand years of humans, I'd say it's a loss. You don't see kiwis fighting off enormours eagles, eh?
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FreudianSlippers posted:Is it a war if nobody actually does any fighting at all? If we count every (major?) change of constitution as a restart, there's a whole bunch of post Soviet and former Warsaw pact countries that need to be relabeled
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
It's also the only mammal that predates human settlement. Before that it was all birds like New Zealand.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
No, it’s just saying that Canada hasn’t been defeated, which doesn’t depend on the outcome of 1812 because the country didn’t exist until 1867.
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What a silly map
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The Quasi-War (absent in the first map) has arguably become one of the most important wars in US history after 1945, not because of the war itself, but because of the implications for going to war without declaring war.
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Feb 16, 2024 23:31
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
I feel like the Cisplatine War counts as a loss. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Feb 17, 2024 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
Considering South Korea started their war and the North still exists to this day despite America bombing every building it could find, that's a loss.
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edit: nm, not taking the bait
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FreudianSlippers posted:It's also the only mammal that predates human settlement. Took me a moment to read this as pre-dates and shake the image of them devouring small villages
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Regarde Aduck posted:Considering South Korea started their war and the North still exists to this day despite America bombing every building it could find, that's a loss. that and the fact that KJI had to liberate the country in the first place
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Regarde Aduck posted:Considering South Korea started their war and the North still exists to this day despite America bombing every building it could find, that's a loss. You're wrong, but also the war never ended, fool.
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Capitalist and commie no-go zones  E: places planned for nuking  
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Post-nuke war Europe would be a wild scene.
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BonHair posted:Kinda hard to tell, but did Israel lose any wars after the Romans took over? Same for Iceland and the Danes
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Romans never took over Iceland or Denmark. Only because Bismarck was a loving coward. Or if you wanna combine a few crazy ideas, the great replacement will finally let the Romans (Turks) conquer Denmark in ten years time
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:that and the fact that KJI had to liberate the country in the first place  Yes starting wars is cool and I wish Walter Ulbricht liberated Western Germany too, that would've been awesome.
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Neither Korea lost, they just agreed on a limited time-out.
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steinrokkan posted:Neither Korea lost, they just agreed on a limited time-out. If we're being technical America hasn't actually lost a war. Never declared war in Vietnam, Afghanistan or for the second Iraq war.
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Air Skwirl posted:If we're being technical America hasn't actually lost a war. Never declared war in Vietnam, Afghanistan or for the second Iraq war. The USA won the poo poo out of the second Iraq War. Shock n Awe, baby. Didn't you see the banners?* They also lost the War of 1812, which was an actual-declared war. *less jokingly, I also wouldn't actually consider the US lost the second Iraq war. The government they installed is still there, they were never kicked out of the country (and indeed some limited US military are still there), etc. It didn't exactly go very well, but it wasn't at all like Vietnam or Afghanistan where the government they are fighting won the war. The Baath party isn't running Iraq now, at all. Saladman fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Feb 17, 2024 |
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America is also close to completely losing a war on the home front, due to Red Dawn merely being weak propaganda rather than a true look into the heart of America's youth.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The English conquered them. Eiba posted:If you capitulate without firing a shot that doesn't mean you didn't lose.
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this is the war america should have lost 
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Capital cities on the ocean/a marginal sea. One of the worst maps in the history of cartography
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Platystemon posted:Capital cities on the ocean/a marginal sea. Wonder what they're defining as "on" here. Seoul's inland. It's not far from the ocean, but you can't see it from the city. Maybe from the observation deck of Lotte Tower?
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Amsterdam used to be next to the sea but we invaded the sea and made it our own.
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Grand Fromage posted:Wonder what they're defining as "on" here. Seoul's inland. It's not far from the ocean, but you can't see it from the city. Maybe from the observation deck of Lotte Tower? That said, I feel like the map would be improved by a little more granularity in terms of categories. Cities "threatened by storm surges or line of sight bombardment by ocean-going vessels" definitely also belong on the map, even if they're technically sitting on rivers.
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Platystemon posted:Capital cities on the ocean/a marginal sea. Ah yes, people tend to forget about the Caracas Sea. And who could forget the beautiful ocean views you get from Santiago. Also what’s up with most micro nations getting deleted, but a handful getting the circle magnifications? Saladman fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Feb 18, 2024 |
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