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Which season of Doctor Who should get a Blu-ray set next? This poll is closed. |
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| One of the black-and-white seasons |
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16 | 29.63% |
| Season 7 |
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7 | 12.96% |
| Season 11 |
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1 | 1.85% |
| Season 13 |
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0 | 0% |
| Season 15 |
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2 | 3.70% |
| The Key to Time |
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21 | 38.89% |
| Season 21 |
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0 | 0% |
| Season 25 |
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7 | 12.96% |
| Total: | 54 votes | ||
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I wonder if Chibnall is a Loom Guy and doesn't believe Gallifrey should have kids present, and so he wrote it like there are no kids on Gallifrey, and simply ignored the precedent set by Day of the Doctor.
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Feb 16, 2024 17:59
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No doubt in my mind Chibbers is a Loom Truther.
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Feb 16, 2024 18:10
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Narsham posted:I think this moment could play well registering both the Doctor’s anger about that past scene and especially about the Master killing ALL the TIME LORDS She's told "someone" killed all the Time Lords by the Master, but assumes he's lying. The "I killed all the Time Lords!" bit isn't until the end
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Feb 16, 2024 18:19
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If they only ever said "Time Lords" then I guess it should be pretty easy for RTD to say the only ones killed were the adults who'd made it through the Academy, while the kids and everyone else not partial to silly headwear are still safe outside the Citadel. Still not sure exactly how he's going to handle all the fallout from that run, but we've already seen that he's definitely not ignoring or handwaving it.
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Feb 16, 2024 18:24
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Looms own. But no, Chibnall would hate the Looms. Since we've got the knives out, you guys have heard that Whizz Kid from Greatest Show In The Galaxy is a parody of the guy, yeah? PriorMarcus posted:I agree with all of the above. I think I've talked about this before, but the entirety of the Timelords are a fascist upper class. There's not an underclass, you're either part of the machinery cataloguing the universe i.e. the Academy, Chancellery, the Chancellery Guard, or you're out on your ear. I don't have a loving clue who the barn people are from Heaven Sent, but Moffat's conception of the planet doesn't make any sense to me. Why would the Doctor have servants, who are they even looking after, and how is he comfortable with being waited on by them. Feels totally out of character. (Also since when were the Sisterhood let back on the planet?) I doubt the Master killed all the nomads (or anyone who'd once been a Timelord and since hosed off), so there's that at least. Strikes me that, between reverting the Master and killing off all the Timelords, Chibbers seemed very keen on the idea of undoing a lot of what Moffat did.
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Feb 16, 2024 18:27
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 “Welcome home, Doctor!” “Wait… what? the Master said he killed you all.” <soft paternal laughter> “Oh dear me, no. We put the Master in a matrix projection, making him think he’d done that, and showed him some tawdry ‘secret truth of the Time Lords’ we knocked up in an afternoon. Amused us no end.”
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Feb 16, 2024 19:28
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While I can't recall whether it's ever made explicit in the show, I always thought the fandom generally accepted that "Time Lords" were just an elite subset of "Gallifreyans". At the very least, if you have to go through some sort of ordeal (the one that drove the Master mad) and graduate the Academy to be acknowledged as a Time Lord, there would be people who did not. Somebody's gotta clean the Loo(m)s. I always thought the barn people were implied to be people who knew the Doctor from his time on Gallifrey and were treating him as a guest but could definitely be wrong on that.
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Feb 16, 2024 19:34
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Yeah, I didn't get the impression that he was treating them as servants, but rather accepting their hospitality.
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Feb 16, 2024 19:41
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There were always Shobogans.
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Feb 16, 2024 19:49
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An earlier episode implied the Doctor was in some kind of group home or boarding school as a kid, and Hell Bent was him going back there. They showed him a good time because they seemed prepared to welcome back any of "the boys" who returned, and the Doctor was a hero who'd saved the planet besides
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Feb 16, 2024 19:49
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:While I can't recall whether it's ever made explicit in the show, I always thought the fandom generally accepted that "Time Lords" were just an elite subset of "Gallifreyans". At the very least, if you have to go through some sort of ordeal (the one that drove the Master mad) and graduate the Academy to be acknowledged as a Time Lord, there would be people who did not. Somebody's gotta clean the Loo(m)s. Timelords are a subset of Gallifreyians, but only in the sense that the people who aren't Timelords are expelled from the city. The Timelords are hideously xenophobic and classist, they don't interact with the lesser races AKA literally everyone else. As for toilets, they're a hyper advanced society. Nobody needs to clean anything. Anyway, can you imagine a filthy outlander mopping a floor? Gross. They should mop themselves instead. On the way out. (Also, uh, it depends on who's representing the city since it changes from story to story but it's hard to imagine the version of the Capitol from The Deadly Assassin having ever been cleaned.) Re: The Master: IIRC not all Timelords have to look through the Untempered Schism. Seems like something they just did to the kid who ended up being the Master because Timelords are jerks who do child experimentation. MikeJF posted:Yeah, I didn't get the impression that he was treating them as servants, but rather accepting their hospitality. It's the same barn from Listen, so I think it's Moffat's conception of his childhood home. I think the servant reading makes sense within Moffat's framework. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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Feb 16, 2024 19:57
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I thought the implication from Listen was that the barn was near the Academy and the people there were staff of some sort.
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Feb 16, 2024 19:58
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The_Doctor posted:I thought the implication from Listen was that the barn was near the Academy and the people there were staff of some sort. The Academy would be inside though, the barn's outside the city limits in the middle of featureless desert.
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Feb 16, 2024 19:59
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Open Source Idiom posted:The Academy would be inside though, the barn's outside the city limits in the middle of featureless desert. Not necessarily, we don’t know enough to say either way.
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Feb 16, 2024 20:01
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At the time of Listen he hadnt gone to the Academy yet, whoever else is in the scene discusses how he isn't Time Lord material and will probably end up in the army
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Feb 16, 2024 20:06
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2house2fly posted:An earlier episode implied the Doctor was in some kind of group home or boarding school as a kid, and Hell Bent was him going back there. They showed him a good time because they seemed prepared to welcome back any of "the boys" who returned, and the Doctor was a hero who'd saved the planet besides Now that they're leaning into the humble beginnings/orphan story, it's time for the Doctor to take on Ichiban Kasuga as his next companion.
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Feb 16, 2024 20:07
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With only a couple of exceptions, every time the show spends any time trying to look any more at the Time Lords it just muddies the waters further and gets more confusing, and I was perfectly happy with Moffat's decision to (mostly) just have the Doctor gently caress off and stay as far away from them as possible once he'd saved Gallifrey from destruction (thanks for undoing that pointlessly, Chibnall  )One of the particular issues I have with Chibnall's run is that it invites pedantic discussion of the minutiae of the show itself because the whole thing is filled with contradictions and giant holes in his "explanation" and that's entirely his own fault, because he wanted to make the basis of it that stupid loving easter egg from The Brain of Morbius. If he's going to hinge the Doctor's whole "origin" story (which we never needed) around "explaining" one particular moment from a decades old story, it means all the other particular moments from other decades old stories that entirely contradict his "solution" to a problem that didn't actually exist in the first place have to be considered too. As a result, discussion of the show becomes an exercise in navel gazing instead of actually telling good stories, and it's part of why I'm so glad to have RTD back, because his primary interest is in telling good stories first and he'll bring those little nods and twists on the show's prior history into an episode in service of a story, as opposed to replacing the story itself.
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Feb 16, 2024 23:02
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I like how the Doctor using the Master's skin color against him to send him to a concentration camp happens like ten minutes after she yells at Ada Lovelace for using a steamgun to nonlethally distract the Master while he's executing a room full of people one by one. Thirteen's moral compass is bizarre.
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Feb 16, 2024 23:43
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I like how the Doctor using the Master's skin color against him to send him to a concentration camp happens like ten minutes after she yells at Ada Lovelace for using a steamgun to nonlethally distract the Master while he's executing a room full of people one by one. Thirteen's moral compass is bizarre. Meanwhile in the Battle of Rice Crispies last season you have the bit where the Doctor gabbles about how she's not keen on guns but she's fine with using explosives.
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Feb 17, 2024 00:25
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Bicyclops posted:Now that they're leaning into the humble beginnings/orphan story, it's time for the Doctor to take on Ichiban Kasuga as his next companion. Wow way to plant a seed I'll be waiting my whole life to never see sprout. If nothing else Yakuza 9 should add a Doctor Who stand-in.
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Feb 17, 2024 00:35
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Khanstant posted:Wow way to plant a seed I'll be waiting my whole life to never see sprout. If nothing else Yakuza 9 should add a Doctor Who stand-in. Ichiban finishes an odd encounter with a weird but seemingly harmless kook, starts telling the others about them but they say there is nobody else around, Ichiban looks but they're gone and so is the Blue Box that they were standing by. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2b4pEEBnnk
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Feb 17, 2024 00:57
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Isn't there an episode where she gets mad at a guy for wanting to shoot the giant killer spiders with a gun, and her solution was to instead lock them all in a freezer to freeze/suffocate/starve/canibilise each other?
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Feb 17, 2024 01:35
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Yeah but the guy who said "shooting's quicker" was bad trump no good trump man and he made a mean face so you know he's in the wrong
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Feb 17, 2024 01:47
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Boxturret posted:Isn't there an episode where she gets mad at a guy for wanting to shoot the giant killer spiders with a gun, and her solution was to instead lock them all in a freezer to freeze/suffocate/starve/canibilise each other? There's also Orphan 55 where she demands that the lady who owns the hotel takes her and all the guests out in their van into the wilderness, then angrily denounces the lady who owns the hotel (who is a monster, to be fair) for taking the guests out in a van into the wilderness.
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Feb 17, 2024 01:52
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I mean, the last two times the Doctor took a bus out into the wilderness, it didn't end particularly well...
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Feb 17, 2024 02:06
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Like I said before there is a coherent argument for the doctor not carrying guns and being dismissive of guns. Guns are a tool with almost exclusively the purpose of killing things. If you have a gun or a death ray at your immediate disposal it becomes a crutch you fall back on. When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. The Doctor's promise to themselves, never cruel or cowardly, is a constant struggle. Why make an instrument of death your first recourse? But the show rarely articulates this point of view.
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Feb 17, 2024 02:15
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It's similar to the way a prototype gun messed up everyone who encountered it in one of the Discworld books. You don't even have to want to kill someone very much for a gun to kill them E: there was a kind of good nuanced bit in the Ranskoor Av Kolos episode where the Doctor tells Ryan to shoot cybermen and he says "I thought you didn't like guns" and she says "I said that when you were new" 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Feb 17, 2024 |
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Feb 17, 2024 03:15
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DoctorWhat posted:Like I said before there is a coherent argument for the doctor not carrying guns and being dismissive of guns. Guns are a tool with almost exclusively the purpose of killing things. If you have a gun or a death ray at your immediate disposal it becomes a crutch you fall back on. When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. The Doctor's promise to themselves, never cruel or cowardly, is a constant struggle. Why make an instrument of death your first recourse? (I always drag Trek in) I'm vaguely reminded of the way that when they were developing Trek TNG they deliberately went out of their way to design and depict hand phasers as tools with a great number of versatile uses, shooting people just being one, because on a thematic and metaphorical level they didn't want the show to be one where the cast regularly carries weapon weapons. (Which is why they redesigned them to look really awkward, because they didn't want them to look like guns.) (That kind of fell off over the years, but decades later LDS does this really well, we mainly see phasers on that show being used as day to day engineering tools) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Feb 17, 2024 |
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Feb 17, 2024 07:30
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The new Ninth Doctor box has so many great moments. "Wait, what's French for 'Deja Vu'?" The TARDIS' translation is on the fritz: "What the blooming heck are you doing here, but in Italian?" He doesn't want Benny to know it's him, so he can't call himself "John Smith", so he panicked and called himself Professor Arthur Fandango
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Feb 17, 2024 09:37
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I like how the Doctor using the Master's skin color against him to send him to a concentration camp happens like ten minutes after she yells at Ada Lovelace for using a steamgun to nonlethally distract the Master while he's executing a room full of people one by one. Thirteen's moral compass is bizarre. She was perfectly okay with Ada throwing grenades though.
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Feb 17, 2024 09:50
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Laser gun shooting robots: bad Emp bomb destroying robots: good Handgun quickly killing spiders: bad Spiders slowly and painfully dying of starvation: good nonlethal steam powered ball bearing gun: bad Grenades: good
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Feb 17, 2024 09:58
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Watched Parting of the Ways today. Christ, Tennant was young. His face. So sharp.
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Feb 17, 2024 10:01
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Feels odd to call somebody in their mid-30s young, but yeah holy poo poo he looks like a little babby wearing a leather jacket, it's kinda amazing.
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Feb 17, 2024 10:04
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Every time Chibnall writes a heavy-handed anti-gun PSA, he does it by writing a situation that seems artificially contrived to make the pro-gun position unambiguously correct.
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Feb 17, 2024 10:21
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Jerusalem posted:Feels odd to call somebody in their mid-30s young, but yeah holy poo poo he looks like a little babby wearing a leather jacket, it's kinda amazing. I've just realised I'm now older than Tennant was when he became the Doctor, so yeah he's definitely young. 😓
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Feb 17, 2024 10:31
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The_Doctor posted:
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Feb 17, 2024 10:35
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Creature posted:I've just realised I'm now older than Tennant was when he became the Doctor, so yeah he's definitely young. 😓 If it makes you feel better, David Tennant is now only 3 years younger than William Hartnell was when he first played the Doctor 
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Feb 17, 2024 10:37
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Itzena posted:Or even something like "We fought Great Time Wars against some of the darkest horrors in reality, do you think one renegade and an assimilation plot would really kill all of us? Oh the cyberlords? They're still around - trapped in a parasite universe, stuck in a closer timeline with their creation and destruction tied together. They might try to get out, I suppose" I've said it before, but we only saw the capitol razed and a bunch of Time Lords converted. Have the majority of time lords have evacuated by TARDISes and become scattered nomads.
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Feb 17, 2024 11:10
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Jerusalem posted:If it makes you feel better, David Tennant is now only 3 years younger than William Hartnell was when he first played the Doctor Hartnell really had some rough mileage on him.
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Feb 17, 2024 12:41
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A.o.D. posted:Hartnell really had some rough mileage on him. Living through 2 World Wars will do that to you
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Feb 17, 2024 14:05
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