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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

OhFunny posted:

https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/2243

lol

Wonder how long they'll hold out this time compared to Mariupol.

they won’t be going to Turkey, I can tell you that much…

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Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

V. Illych L. posted:

yeah navalny was probably just seriously reduced after being poisoned and then got killed by being exposed to arctic russian prison conditions not being an especially healthy lifestyle

if anything it's a rather inconvenient time for him to die from putin's perspective. much better to have the election over with first - now they've barred one opposition candidate from running, having navalny die rather than just rage impotently from the sidelines only makes the repression that much more visible

to who? Americans?

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

DancingShade posted:

I'm intercepting all the missiles by leaping into the air and blocking them with my forehead.

If you press backwards on the D-pad as you intercept, you'll take no damage too.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

Vomik posted:

to who? Americans?

At this point, Putin probably doesn't give two fucks about anything. He could personally have gone and used the heart attack gun, or literally any gun, on Navalny and mic drop out on live camera, and the reaction from abroad would be no different.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

calling navalny an "opposition leader" is extremely generous lol

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
lol apparently Navalny referred to Muslims as cockroaches and had a video of him shooting an actor in keffiyeh on his YouTube channel as an example of him wanting to get rid of migrants. I can see why he is so admired by Biden

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68322527

Ukraine war: Is Russia about to win another victory?
By James Waterhouse
Ukraine correspondent in Kyiv
Published 5 hours ago

"Difficult, but under control", "manoeuvring" but not "retreating".

Ukraine's military has chosen its words carefully when it comes to the situation in the eastern city of Avdiivka...

But the inescapable reality is that Russia is likely to be about to achieve its biggest victory since Ukraine's failed counter offensive last year - by taking it once more.

Despite suffering enormous losses, four months of relentless attacks have left the Ukrainians troops there outnumbered, outgunned, and with dwindling ammunition.

...

The most pressing question for Ukraine is whether its soldiers can make it out of Avdiivka alive.

The 3rd Assault Brigade deployed in the city says they're being attacked by infantry in all directions. Reports suggest the Russians have also cut off the main supply route for Ukrainian forces...

... Despite losing thousands of soldiers in the process, Moscow has made its size count by replenishing them almost immediately. Ukrainian forces have suffered losses too, though not to the same extent...

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Source: AP News

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-avdiivka-c31eb7439d1983532a3f940061efe6e7

Russia tightens the noose on Ukraine’s city of Avdiivka, where outnumbered defenders are holding out
BY ILLIA NOVIKOV AND BARRY HATTON
Updated 12:17 AM GMT+8, February 17, 2024

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian troops in Avdiivka struggled Friday with severe ammunition shortages as Russian forces tightened the noose around the strategic eastern city in an intense Kremlin push for a battlefield win...

... However, the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington think tank, said that taking Avdiivka would be more of a symbolic win for the Kremlin and would not bring significant changes to the 1,500-kilometer (930-mile) front line that has barely budged in recent months.

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Source: Guardian UK

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/16/ukrainian-forces-give-up-some-positions-in-avdiivka-as-russian-assault-continues

Ukrainian forces give up some positions in Avdiivka as Russian assault continues
Shaun Walker in Donetsk region
Fri 16 Feb 2024 15.46 GMT

Ukrainian forces have withdrawn from some positions in Avdiivka, as a grinding Russian assault on the city continues amid fears it is a matter of time before the invaders take over....

... As the two-year mark of Russia’s full-scale invasion approaches, Ukrainian troops are under pressure along the frontline, with depleted and exhausted ranks and a shortage of artillery shells that has been exacerbated by the stalling of a large US funding package...

... “I don’t think Avdiivka is like Bakhmut, but I worry that Ukraine’s leadership will choose to freight it with political significance, which it need not have, as part of an observed tendency to not cede ground anywhere no matter the cost or military reality,” said Michael Kofman, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment thinktank...

... Some Ukrainian soldiers blame Syrskyi for the losses at Bakhmut and expressed concern that more lives may be lost in Avdiivka before the Russian takeover that most believe is inevitable.

Most likely we will lose it and the only other option is we spend tens of thousands of Ukrainian lives to hold it a bit longer, and then who will replace those people,” said one Ukrainian army officer, who asked not to be identified.

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Source: Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-foreign-affairs-chairman-see-weeks-before-chamber-considers-ukraine-aid-2024-02-16/

Despite Navalny, it will be weeks before US House considers Ukraine aid
By Patricia Zengerle
February 17, 20243:35 AM GMT+8
Updated 5 hours ago

WASHINGTON, Feb 16 (Reuters) - The chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee said on Friday he does not expect the Republican-led chamber will consider President Joe Biden's request for billions of dollars more aid for Ukraine before mid-March, after it debates broader spending bills.

"I don't want to speak for the speaker, but I do think he wants to get through the appropriations process first- that takes us to March 8 - and then deal with the supplemental," Republican Representative Michael McCaul told journalists at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

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*** BREAKING NEWS ***

Source: Kyiv Independent

https://kyivindependent.com/syrskyi-withdraws-units-from-avdiivka/

Syrskyi withdraws Ukrainian troops from Avdiivka
by Rachel Amran and The Kyiv Independent news desk
February 17, 2024 2:30 AM
2 min read

Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi published a statement announcing his decision to withdraw Ukrainian units from the heavily battered city.

"Based on the operational situation around Avdiivka, in order to avoid encirclement and preserve the lives and health of servicemen, I made a decision to withdraw our units from the city and move to defense on more advantageous lines," the statement reads.

"Our soldiers performed their military duty with dignity, did everything possible to destroy the best Russian military units, and inflicted significant losses on the enemy in terms of manpower and equipment."

Avdiivka, lying mere kilometers from occupied Donetsk, has faced intensified Russian attacks since October 2023 as Moscow's troops aim to encircle and capture the city. Recent reports suggest that the situation in the sector is growing increasingly dire.

"We are taking measures to stabilize the situation and hold the occupied positions," Syrskyi added. "The lives of servicemen are of the highest value. We will return Avdeevka anyway."

*** BREAKING NEWS ***

fizziester has issued a correction as of 01:51 on Feb 17, 2024

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

fizziester posted:



"Difficult, but under control", "manoeuvring" but not "retreating".


Redeploying backward while under enemy fire.

antipattern
Nov 8, 2019

tactical retrograde offensive

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I get the feeling the western media are jumping ahead of the Ukraine defeat reporting instead of delaying it a couple weeks and hiding it in the back pages. Maybe they got the memo from Nuland and Blinken to create the narrative of "Ukraine can't fight without Zuluzhnyi."

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

supersnowman posted:

Redeploying backward while under enemy fire.

And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

stephenthinkpad posted:

I get the feeling the western media are jumping ahead of the Ukraine defeat reporting instead of delaying it a couple weeks and hiding it in the back pages. Maybe they got the memo from Nuland and Blinken to create the narrative of "Ukraine can't fight without Zuluzhnyi."

the memo is just a piece of paper with a crude stick figure of a cat. It's a really bad picture of a cat created by someone incapable of love.

RedSky
Oct 30, 2023
It's a cat but it has the proportions of a bandera portrait.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1758610803161284841?s=20

The war? Going great, thanks.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
So Syrski's master plan was to send the 3rd brigade, supposedly one of Ukraine's best, to try and salvage the defense. This brilliant strategy started with their deployment getting hit miles from the front by an airstrike, where right off the bat they probably lost hundreds. Then they actually got to Avdiivka and were mauled pretty much immediately.

And now mere days later Syrski's ordering the full retreat. It's now a race as to whether they can get out before being completely encircled or killed.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

VoicesCanBe posted:

So Syrski's master plan was to send the 3rd brigade, supposedly one of Ukraine's best, to try and salvage the defense. This brilliant strategy started with their deployment getting hit miles from the front by an airstrike, where right off the bat they probably lost hundreds. Then they actually got to Avdiivka and were mauled pretty much immediately.

And now mere days later Syrski's ordering the full retreat.

Tactical advance to the rear, I think you'll find. But a really rapid and chaotic one.

The VKS smashing the place with the new Drel and upgraded FAB glide kits is probably not helping matters. I don't recall air superiority being as big for Mariupol or Bakhmut. We know IADS stocks are massively depleted now, among other things.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

fizziester posted:

*** BREAKING NEWS ***
Source: Kyiv Independent

Syrsky posted:

But now the war has lasted for nearly two years. Despite the best that has been done by everyone – the gallant fighting of the military and posting forces, the diligence and assiduity of our servants of the state, and the devoted service of our definitely fifty-five and not twenty-five million people – the war situation has developed not necessarily to Ukraine's advantage

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

Tactical advance to the rear, I think you'll find. But a really rapid and chaotic one.

The VKS smashing the place with the new Drel and upgraded FAB glide kits is probably not helping matters. I don't recall air superiority being as big for Mariupol or Bakhmut. We know IADS stocks are massively depleted now, among other things.

Ay least in Mariupol the Russians were pounding it with all they had, including strategic bombers. It didn’t help a whole lot as the tunnels were deep and reinforced.

By the time Bakhmut happened you already had plenty of AA systems operating so they didn’t risk it, glide bombs were just getting started.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Can we get a proper encirclement and mass surrender in the neo trench war?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Syrskyi is willing to lose quickly while Zaluznyi wanted to lose slowly.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Vomik posted:

lol apparently Navalny referred to Muslims as cockroaches and had a video of him shooting an actor in keffiyeh on his YouTube channel as an example of him wanting to get rid of migrants. I can see why he is so admired by Biden

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
I haven't been keeping up, is there any confirmation of Biletsky actually being within Avdiivka?


Lol, looking forward to Ukraine's population drop from the last census in 2006 or whenever to when Russia conducts its next one being explained as genocide.

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely
if this retreat announcement is anything like the one Syrsky authored for the Severodonetsk capitulation, the order came 8 - 12 hours after the front collapsed and the soldiers were running away through the fields.

VoicesCanBe posted:

So Syrski's master plan was to send the 3rd brigade, supposedly one of Ukraine's best, to try and salvage the defense. This brilliant strategy started with their deployment getting hit miles from the front by an airstrike, where right off the bat they probably lost hundreds. Then they actually got to Avdiivka and were mauled pretty much immediately.

And now mere days later Syrski's ordering the full retreat. It's now a race as to whether they can get out before being completely encircled or killed.

as predicted the situation immediately deteriorated into an unmitigated disaster as soon as Azov showed up on the scene. At this point they have to be up there for the worst soldiers ever fielded by a modern army and just LMAO if a hundreds of them end up trapped underground in another industrial complex.

Starsfan has issued a correction as of 03:13 on Feb 17, 2024

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Starsfan posted:

if this retreat announcement is anything like the one Syrsky authored for the Severodonetsk capitulation, the order came 8 - 12 hours after the front collapsed and the soldiers were running away through the fields.

This seems to be exactly what's been happening for about 24 hours now

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Weka posted:

I haven't been keeping up, is there any confirmation of Biletsky actually being within Avdiivka?

Lol, looking forward to Ukraine's population drop from the last census in 2006 or whenever to when Russia conducts its next one being explained as genocide.

It was 2001, but yeah I didn't even think of that lol.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



fizziester posted:


"We are taking measures to stabilize the situation and hold the occupied positions," Syrskyi added. "The lives of servicemen are of the highest value. We will return Avdeevka anyway."

*** BREAKING NEWS ***

Didnt want that fort anyways

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Didnt want that fort anyways

he's saying they will capture it back sometime down the line lol

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Starsfan posted:

he's saying they will capture it back sometime down the line lol

Thats what everyone in EVE says too

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

VoicesCanBe posted:

This seems to be exactly what's been happening for about 24 hours now

That's the rumour.

As well as rumours of them leaving their wounded behind, but you never know what's just a story on telegram and what the real deal is.

CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole

Starsfan posted:

he's saying they will capture it back sometime down the line lol

temporarily occupied!!!

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely
We should all recall the early months of the war when Syrksy lost Sevorodonetsk after the defenses collapsed (mass casualties + surrenders, soldiers fleeing through the woods, etc) and then ordered a counter-attack the next day to re-take the city. We were blessed with like 24 hours of NAFO freaks and western journalists crowing about how Ukraine had planned all along to lure the Russians into a bombed out city as a trap and now the Russians were going to be crushed by overwhelming numbers before it became apparent the counter attack was also a massive failure that dissolved into chaos almost immediately and resulted in thousands of Ukrainain POWs.

Ukraine will be aiming to avoid making that error again, but the political impetus to get PR wins might just be a little too high to ignore..

Starsfan has issued a correction as of 03:35 on Feb 17, 2024

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Didnt want that fort anyways

Already replaced.

Pending delivery in 2026

Deadly Ham Sandwich
Aug 19, 2009
Smellrose
"manoeuvring" but not "retreating".

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Starsfan posted:

We should all recall the early months of the war when Syrksy lost Sevorodonetsk after the defenses collapsed (mass casualties + surrenders, soldiers fleeing through the woods, etc) and then ordered a counter-attack the next day to re-take the city. We were blessed with like 24 hours of NAFO freaks and western journalists crowing about how Ukraine had planned all along to lure the Russians into a bombed out city as a trap and now the Russians were going to be crushed by overwhelming numbers before it became apparent the counter attack was also a massive failure the dissolved into chaos almost immediately and resulted in thousands of Ukrainain POWs.

Ukraine will be aiming to avoid making that error again, but the political impetus to get PR wins might just be a little too high to ignore..

They can't trap their guys on the wrong side of a river this time.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1758320282295496777

the orks have learned how to do a tactical turning movement!!!!!

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

That's the rumour.

As well as rumours of them leaving their wounded behind, but you never know what's just a story on telegram and what the real deal is.

Well he did say they were trying to preserve their lives

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1758320282295496777

the orks have learned how to do a tactical turning movement!!!!!

it's obvious some higher intelligence guides their movements.. perhaps one that we have not yet comprehended.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Vomik posted:

lol apparently Navalny referred to Muslims as cockroaches and had a video of him shooting an actor in keffiyeh on his YouTube channel as an example of him wanting to get rid of migrants. I can see why he is so admired by Biden

The number of liberal tears on display for turbo fascist white supremacist Navalny has certainly been a thing to behold. The only thing you can say is that its bad when states do extrajudicial murders against prisoners. Any grieving for Navalny the man or wistful thoughts about his 'political opposition' is the marker of a real stupid piece of poo poo. In a well functioning society Navalny's expressed beliefs would be sufficient to lock him up forever with no other justification needed.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1758320282295496777

the orks have learned how to do a tactical turning movement!!!!!

It's very important to remember the correct language as it's quite context dependant. Have to remember who you're describing.

WE: advanced tactical maneuvers.

THEM: a turn

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Starsfan posted:

it's obvious some higher intelligence guides their movements.. perhaps one that we have not yet comprehended.

Orcs that think? Frankly I find the very idea offensive!

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