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I love me some Kingdom Hearts nonsense, like I'd hope Sora would show up if wouldn't bring Disney into it.grieving for Gandalf posted:can someone remind me what said Kingdom Hearts nonsense amounted to in Remake? I haven't beaten the game since it came out A recap if you want. Sephiroth is waiting for the party at the end of the Midgar highway before they would have made their way out of the city. He tells Cloud he's Waiting and cuts open a darkness portal and goes through it, everyone goes to follow but Aerith holds them back to say once they go through there is no turning back and then does cetra magic to make the dark portal whiter. I don't know what this achieved. They go through and there is an empty copy Midgar that the Whisper promptly start to rampage through to serve as a sort of ruins floating in the sky arena, and they beat the whispers. The Sephiroth attacks and they have a fight and after that Cloud gets separated from them all and meets Sephiroth again but he actually kinda talks in more then tag lines. He tells Cloud that they on the edge of creation that all things will eventually return to, and that he (Sephiroth) will not just submit and that he won't let Cloud either, and he asks Cloud to join him in defying destiny. Cloud says no because of course he does and Sephiroth actually seemed kinda bummed but when Cloud comes at him with an Omnislash he perfect parries the whole thing and tells Cloud that "Seven seconds until the end... time enough for you perhaps" and disappears and everyone falls out of the final boss dimension. Then the ending sequence where Zack doesn't die in his last stand while dragging a still catatonic Cloud through the gates of Midgar and now there is a different Stamp on a bag o chips and cue years of fandom speculation.
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Caidin posted:Remake Don't forget the Sephiroth at the very end who makes the "offer" to Cloud is obviously fundamentally different in some way from the Sephiroth we see at other times, because he refers to himself with a completely different pronoun (in the original Japanese). https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1256221924532916228?t=618OERsTDxOdLELUxn4UZA&s=19 My best guess is that it's somehow a Sephiroth minus the Jenova influence.
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Feb 17, 2024 00:52
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Ytlaya posted:Don't forget the Sephiroth at the very end who makes the "offer" to Cloud is obviously fundamentally different in some way from the Sephiroth we see at other times, because he refers to himself with a completely different pronoun (in the original Japanese). I said he wasn't talking in taglines anymore, same thing.
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Feb 17, 2024 01:03
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Caidin posted:I love me some Kingdom Hearts nonsense, like I'd hope Sora would show up if wouldn't bring Disney into it. this is actually more like what I needed, thank you. I wonder if the party remembers flying through a crazyass-looking diorama and fighting Sephiroth
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Feb 17, 2024 01:48
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According to the Ultimania there's four different Sephiroths in Remake: - The one in Cloud's visions - The one in flashbacks - The "black-robed men" aka Sephiroth copies - The one you fight at the end what the gently caress does any of that mean? Who knows. But Sephiroth is the most changed character from the original game, where he doesn't have the fixation on making Cloud hate him like the one(s???) in Remake does. That probably means something.
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Feb 17, 2024 04:16
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Oh did I ever bring up that I think that particular part of the ending might be referencing or taking influence from the various different endings across all of the Devilman adaptations?
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Feb 17, 2024 04:28
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I chose to believe that all Sephiroths in Remake are pissed off about losing in Advent Children and went back in time to make sure that they win this time and also to inform Cloud that they are extremely Not Mad about losing three times to a Shinra mallcop.
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Feb 17, 2024 05:24
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Funky Valentine posted:I chose to believe that all Sephiroths in Remake are pissed off about losing in Advent Children and went back in time to make sure that they win this time and also to inform Cloud that they are extremely Not Mad about losing three times to a Shinra mallcop. He was willing to let it go, but then someone did actually put in the paper that he got mad.
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Feb 17, 2024 05:26
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Blockhouse posted:According to the Ultimania there's four different Sephiroths in Remake: Since most of these guys aren't actually Sephiroth that's only really two different Sephiroths (flashbackiroth and final boss roth) E: And what this means is that they is classic ff7 sephiroth doing classic ff7 things but also a sephiroth all about rewriting that history probably because he wants to kiss Cloud or something.
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Feb 17, 2024 06:41
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How many times is Rebirth going to go over the Nibelheim incident? I forgot when the payoff for that happens in the original game.
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Feb 17, 2024 06:50
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Azubah posted:How many times is Rebirth going to go over the Nibelheim incident? I forgot when the payoff for that happens in the original game. The original game does it 3 times, Cloud's version in Kalm, the Zack reveal at the Northern Crater, and the True Version at Mideel/in the Lifestream. Both the second and third versions take place beyond where Rebirth as stated to end, but given how Zack's alive in a timeline somewhere, that shoe might drop faster this time around. We'll see in a couple of weeks.
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Feb 17, 2024 08:06
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Since most of these guys aren't actually Sephiroth that's only really two different Sephiroths (flashbackiroth and final boss roth) This is starting to sound all Xehanort-y
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Feb 17, 2024 08:13
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Since most of these guys aren't actually Sephiroth that's only really two different Sephiroths (flashbackiroth and final boss roth)
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Feb 17, 2024 08:49
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D.Fuzzbot posted:This is starting to sound all Xehanort-y All the different Xehanorts are different people and whatnot but the Sephiroths are still just Sephiroth. Completely different!
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Feb 17, 2024 09:26
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RatHat posted:I assume he wants to rewrite history because he loses in the original timeline. That’s why he tells Cloud at the beginning of Remake to run away Wasn't that Sephiroth being a real petty rear end in a top hat by quoting someone?
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Feb 17, 2024 12:46
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SyntheticPolygon posted:All the different Xehanorts are different people and whatnot but the Sephiroths are still just Sephiroth. Well that’s not entirely true…. You had Master Xehanort, Young Xehanort and Xemnas
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Feb 17, 2024 13:52
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And then Ansem, not to be confused with Ansem who was someone else or Riku calling himself Ansem
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Feb 17, 2024 14:00
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Are there more Sephiroths or are there more Xehanorts?
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Feb 17, 2024 14:15
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RatHat posted:That’s why he tells Cloud at the beginning of Remake to run away He's quoting the last words Cloud heard from his mom as Nibelheim burned specifically to get Cloud's hate juices flowing. He wants/needs Cloud to be active in whatever it is he's trying to do.
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Feb 17, 2024 14:44
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Shoehead posted:Are there more Sephiroths or are there more Xehanorts? Well if Sephiroth is controlling Jenova I guess that means all the black robed guys have been
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Azubah posted:Wasn't that Sephiroth being a real petty rear end in a top hat by quoting someone? Yeah, as of the Rebirth demo we now know he was quoting Cloud's mother's apparent last words
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nine-gear crow posted:The original game does it 3 times, Cloud's version in Kalm, the Zack reveal at the Northern Crater, and the True Version at Mideel/in the Lifestream. Both the second and third versions take place beyond where Rebirth as stated to end, but given how Zack's alive in a timeline somewhere, that shoe might drop faster this time around. We'll see in a couple of weeks. I know that they said the game is going to end at the Forgotten City or whatever but it would be really weird to end there and then start game 3 at the mountain/Northern Crater. Idk why but that seems like a weird idea to me. Then again I suppose that is the beginning of disc 2 in the original. Disc 1 got 2 games plus Intergrade and Disc 2 is only getting one (so far)
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Just played the demo and holy gently caress it's good! It built legit hype for a game I was already planning to buy. I wonder about cutting it where they did and if the end of the flashback will be different. I also think Zack is an extension of cloud Cloud's delusions.
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Feb 18, 2024 00:48
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I know that they said the game is going to end at the Forgotten City or whatever but it would be really weird to end there and then start game 3 at the mountain/Northern Crater. Idk why but that seems like a weird idea to me. Then again I suppose that is the beginning of disc 2 in the original. Disc 1 got 2 games plus Intergrade and Disc 2 is only getting one (so far) I think a big part of that is that Disc 2 is genuinely notably shorter, to the point they're moving stuff like Wutai to the next game to help flesh it out. Disc 2 in the original game is flat-out "Icicle Inn -> Northern Crater -> Junon Escape -> Huge Materia Collection -> Midgar revisited -> Endgame" with a short stop off for Cloud's brain problems and figuring out that Aerith summoned the materia. Almost all of that is revisiting old locations and is relatively short.
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It's very possible that (making poo poo up here) the game "ends" with Aerith dying or whatever and then there's like a few hours of Zackworld. Technically speaking the progress of the normal FF7 game as we know it will still have stopped there.
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triple sulk posted:It's very possible that (making poo poo up here) the game "ends" with Aerith dying or whatever and then there's like a few hours of Zackworld. Technically speaking the progress of the normal FF7 game as we know it will still have stopped there. Cloud's portion of the game ends with Aerith look up at him and smiling, hard cut to Zack in Midgar which is the second half of the game.
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triple sulk posted:It's very possible that (making poo poo up here) the game "ends" with Aerith dying or whatever and then there's like a few hours of Zackworld. Technically speaking the progress of the normal FF7 game as we know it will still have stopped there. can't remember who, but someone earlier in the thread speculated something similar off of the trailer and the scene with aerith/zack certainly seems possible but i'm not sure i love the idea. "the same thing happens but now you find out there's another dimension for (non-whisper) ghosts" doesn't really feel like solid payoff for "rebirth has a surprising ending that may be controversial" or whatever has been going on with aerith/sephiroth's awareness and the whole zack thing so far through remake e: ok thinking about it more, something winding up with a second party made up of dead characters would be very fun and would pretty easily lead into another DLC episode before game 3 stuker fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Feb 18, 2024 |
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I know that they said the game is going to end at the Forgotten City or whatever but it would be really weird to end there and then start game 3 at the mountain/Northern Crater. Idk why but that seems like a weird idea to me. Then again I suppose that is the beginning of disc 2 in the original. Disc 1 got 2 games plus Intergrade and Disc 2 is only getting one (so far) I could see the Northern Crater not being visited until the very end of Game 3. I suspect that some of the events of the Northern Crater can be rewritten to take place at the Forgotten Capital in this game like Cloud losing his mind and handing the black materia to Sephiroth, making it a more appropriate place to end Rebirth. Then we start Game 3 elsewhere and then pretty much everything in the Northern Crater is visited near the end of the game.
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Feb 18, 2024 02:01
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god its been like 20 years since i played FF7, i almost want to replay it before diving into part 2 but also i dont have that much time
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queeb posted:god its been like 20 years since i played FF7, i almost want to replay it before diving into part 2 but also i dont have that much time I did that, and just finished Rebirth + Intergrade again too. I am AMPED for more FFVII.
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Feb 18, 2024 06:42
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yeah i just started up a casual OG playthrough earlier today because i figure what i'll get through will be a nice recap for the "original" first half of rebirth
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Feb 18, 2024 06:50
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I forget, did the OG force you to always have Cloud in the party(besides specific story segments)?
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Feb 18, 2024 12:05
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Yes, yes it did.
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I really wish more JRPGs would let me kick out the MC for battles when each character feels so unique in playstyle or build
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Feb 18, 2024 13:13
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If you have any streamers you tolerate it’s not a bad option to watch them play the OG, you can skip some of the slower parts or battles to save up on time.
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Feb 18, 2024 13:24
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Considering there's cheats for invincibility, no battles and speed up you could very quickly play through with just the scenes
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ff7 is an extremely easy game and you can get through most of it by mashing the attack command and occasionally healing
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D.Fuzzbot posted:Considering there's cheats for invincibility, no battles and speed up you could very quickly play through with just the scenes It's this on the PC version? I just may do that
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queeb posted:It's this on the PC version? I just may do that Okay innately on PC no, you'd have to install 7th Heaven mod manager which has shortcuts for speedup, no battles and even skip fmv. Also install the 60/30 FPS mods and set it to 30FPS if you want Tifa's reels to be usable. If you want invincibility just install the "Gameplay Tweaks" mod and it has invincibility in there. D.Fuzzbot fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Feb 18, 2024 |
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D.Fuzzbot posted:Okay innately on PC no, you'd have to install 7th Heaven mod manager which has shortcuts for speedup, no battles and even skip fmv. hell yeah im all modded up and blasting through now.
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