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Nervous
Jan 25, 2005

Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Volmarias posted:

They are Exterminators-In-Being, their simple presence deters pests. Additionally, they will produce percussive vibrations as a side effect when they are fulfilled, and or when the tummy gets rubs.

Mine must be defective, it just bunny kicks and bites me when I rub his belly.

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BougieBitch
Oct 2, 2013

Basic as hell

Nervous posted:

Mine must be defective, it just bunny kicks and bites me when I rub his belly.

You have been categorized as a pest and are being deterred. Sorry you had to find out this way

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Yeah I'm going say it sounds like user error, didn't install the tummy rumble module in time so now it rejects all input on that port. Nothing to be done.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Stexils posted:

yeah, and its also not going to be solved by magically incanting 'everyone needs to accept their life is going to be worse' when the vast majority of the problems are being caused by a tiny minority. any transition is going to have winners and losers, but most people do not have to be the losers because they are not the ones personally invested in the wasteful industries and pollution causing the problems. thats a political choice, not a necessity.
See, this is an interesting point, because I think you're right that a small minority of people have an outsized influence on emissions. However, I think that if you fit the general demographic of an SA poster, you're not going to be very happy to find out which side of that coin you're on. Like, just as an example, if "American personal vehicle use" was a country, it would be the 6th most polluting country on the planet in terms of CO2 emissions. That's emissions just from driving our cars around. Obviously the problems we face are complex and there are a lot of reasons that personal vehicle usage is so high, but let's not pretend that all we need to do is ground some private planes and sink a few yachts to reach sustainability.

Stexils posted:

in your example handing the locals a fat bill to get rid of fossil fuel infrastructure is lovely policy

I think I've identified the disconnect here: you're not comprehending the scope of the problem. It's not about one natural gas plant, it's about all of them. Natural gas and coal plants make up the majority of base load generation in the United States, so any attempt to replace them on a time scale that actually matters means replacing pretty much all of them more or less simultaneously. Regardless of whether the costs are being paid by "the locals" or the country as a whole, it's still a multi trillion dollar endeavor.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Kwyndig posted:

Yeah I'm going say it sounds like user error, didn't install the tummy rumble module in time so now it rejects all input on that port. Nothing to be done.

You may be holding it wrong, check the user manual to ensure that the catte is in the correct configuration to accept tummy rubs, and that there are no errors messages in their tail.

Nameless Pete
May 8, 2007

Get a load of those...
Crowd sets Waymo self-driving vehicle ablaze in San Francisco



Kung hei fat choi. Also,

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This story has been refiled to correct Twitter to X in paragraph 3

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
death to robots.

BlueBlazer
Apr 1, 2010

uber_stoat posted:

death to robots.



That article really tries to make it seem like someone should have been stopping it... Like someone was being hurt..oh boo hoo...

I bet the car turned into the crowd, a real driver would nope out real quick to a march or parade..nope not the driverless car, who, programmed to not take the hint.

I lust for some robot death.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Turns out the real solution to the trolley problem is to burn the trolley down.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

We wish there was a trolley problem to be had. It would be better than, you know, car culture.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




"In Erick's opinion, only weasels played trolley games. Heroes got down there and started pulling bodies off the tracks. Heroes legislated better trolley brakes."

- goon author General Batuta's Exordia.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Vegetable posted:

We wish there was a trolley problem to be had. It would be better than, you know, car culture.
San Francisco does have a trolley problem though.


It's pretty they torched the car but Waymo's been pretty careful and responsible with development, testing and rollout so it doesn't seem like that accomplishes anything worthwhile.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


It still leaves them out a car, even if they have replacement everything that's going to sting a little. Now they have to buy another replacement car and outfit with all the sensors and nonsense. Probably a drop in the bucket of their venture capital funding but somebody's not getting an end of fiscal year end bonus because of this.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Kwyndig posted:

It still leaves them out a car, even if they have replacement everything that's going to sting a little. Now they have to buy another replacement car and outfit with all the sensors and nonsense. Probably a drop in the bucket of their venture capital funding but somebody's not getting an end of fiscal year end bonus because of this.
lol no one is getting stiffed a bonus because of this.

Also yeah Waymo actually has a really great safety record, arguably better than most human drivers in SF.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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To be fair, I don't think a group of drunk people setting off fireworks for Chinese New Year were necessarily making some stand on driverless cars any more than the good people of Philadelphia are making anti-streetlamp and windshield statements anytime a Philly sports team wins a championship.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

To be fair, I don't think a group of drunk people setting off fireworks for Chinese New Year were necessarily making some stand on driverless cars any more than the good people of Philadelphia are making anti-streetlamp and windshield statements anytime a Philly sports team wins a championship.

Has anyone actually ask Philly sports fans if they do harbor some grievances against windshields and streetlamps? For all we know they could have legitimate reasons for their apparent hatred of them.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

dr_rat posted:

Has anyone actually ask Philly sports fans if they do harbor some grievances against windshields and streetlamps? For all we know they could have legitimate reasons for their apparent hatred of them.

Philly Sports fans booed and hurled batteries at Santa Claus... twice.

The city also has an official policy of greasing up streetlamps when any Philadelphia sports team is playing in a championship game.

I think the good people of Philadelphia may have general grievances against parked car windshields and streetlamps, but they seem to mostly be taking their issues on whatever targets happen to be close by.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Philly Sports fans booed and hurled batteries at Santa Claus... twice.
Look the second time, that's on Santa.

So, what I'm getting is Always Sunny is just a doco?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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dr_rat posted:

Look the second time, that's on Santa.

So, what I'm getting is Always Sunny is just a doco?

Actually, I just looked it up to confirm the details and I have to apologize for slandering the good people of Philadelphia. Eagles fans threw beer bottles and snowballs at Santa Claus. They did not throw batteries at Santa. My apologies to Philly.

They threw batteries at players from other baseball teams in a different incident.

I love the quote from the Philly Sports talk radio host insisting to this day that Santa deserved it. Just an amazing series of paragraphs:

quote:

The night before the game at Franklin Field there was a substantial snowstorm that left most of the stadium, including the seats, covered in snow. At kickoff, temperatures were in the low 20 degrees (Fahrenheit) and wind gusts reached 30 miles per hour.[4] The snow storm prevented the Santa Claus that the Eagles had booked for the halftime Christmas pageant from arriving at the game.[1][5] Bill "Moon" Mullen, who was the Eagles' entertainment director, needing someone to play Santa Claus during the halftime Christmas pageant, picked out Frank Olivo, a 20-year-old fan who was dressed as Santa Claus, to play the role.[1][3] Olivo, who regularly attended Eagles games, would always dress as Santa Claus for the last regular season game of the year.[5][6]

Olivo appeared at the underbelly of Franklin Field to the song "Here Comes Santa Claus" alongside a 50-piece band and Eagles cheerleaders dressed as elves.[1] Olivo was supposed to appear on a large Christmas float featuring eight life-sized fiberglass reindeer, but the float got stuck in the mud, so Olivo was forced to appear in the Christmas pageant on foot.[4] In place of carrying a Santa sack, Olivo carried an equipment bag filled with soggy towels.[7] Philadelphia sports talk radio host Glen Macnow described the incident as "a bad game, it's a cold game, [the fans] are sitting their rear ends in snow and here comes this lousy, little Santa running down the field."

Olivo's cousin, who witnessed the spectacle, stated "[Olivo] comes out, the PA announcer goes through this big thing, 'Here comes Santa Claus. Let's give Santa Claus a rousing welcome, Philadelphia welcome' [and well]...all hell broke loose."[1] Olivo began his appearance by throwing candy canes to the fans, but when he reached the endzone fans started booing and throwing snowballs at him.[3] Fans then soon started throwing other projectiles including beer bottles and hoagies at him.[1] Olivo suspects that he was hit with more than 100 snowballs during his appearance.[1] So many snowballs were thrown at Olivo that his fake white eyebrows, which were part of the costume, were knocked off.[5] However, he took the pelting in jest, shouting at one fan "you're not getting anything for Christmas."[1][5] Olivo later stated that he understood why fans were frustrated and that fans were not booing him, but the disappointing season.[5] There is no video of Eagles fans throwing snowballs at Olivo.[8]

The Eagles' public relations director at the time, Jim Gallagher, said that Olivo "was the worst-looking Santa I'd ever seen. Bad suit, scraggly beard. I'm not sure whether he was drunk, but he appeared to be."[4] However, Olivo contests that his costume was high quality and he was not drunk, but conceded his fake beard was poor quality.

And the cherry:

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The Eagles gifted Olivo football-shaped cufflinks and a tie tack as a gift in appreciation of his services.

In 1969, the Eagles offered Olivo a chance to be Santa Claus once again in the team's Christmas pageant, but he declined.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Feb 13, 2024

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

I knew someone from Philly who would angrily defend throwing poo poo at Santa because people were doing it because the Santa was stumbling drunk

I really don't think that made Philly look better?

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Philadelphia also destroyed the hitchhiking robot, so they're presumably onboard with destroying autonomous vehicles.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005
As an SF driver, I greatly prefer sharing the road with the waymo cars, they're much more predictable than human drivers

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
Tech nightmare… but good?

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/air-canada-s-chatbot-gave-a-b-c-man-the-wrong-information-now-the-airline-has-to-pay-for-the-mistake-1.6769454

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Air Canada's chatbot gave a B.C. man the wrong information. Now, the airline has to pay for the mistake

Air Canada has been ordered to compensate a B.C. man because its chatbot gave him inaccurate information.

The Civil Resolution Tribunal's decision on the dispute was posted online Wednesday(opens in a new tab), finding in favour of a man who relied on information provided by the bot about fares when he was booking a flight to attend his grandmother's funeral.

"I find Air Canada did not take reasonable care to ensure its chatbot was accurate," tribunal member Christopher C. Rivers wrote, awarding $650.88 in damages for negligent misrepresentation.

TLDR the person used the airline’s ai powered chatbot on their website to ask about bereavement fare policies, and the chatbot told the person it could apply for it retroactively. The actual policy does not allow this, so the person’s application was denied. When the airline was showed proof via screenshot, they admitted it was wrong.

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Air Canada, for its part, argued that it could not be held liable for information provided by the bot.

"In effect, Air Canada suggests the chatbot is a separate legal entity that is responsible for its own actions. This is a remarkable submission. While a chatbot has an interactive component, it is still just a part of Air Canada’s website," Rivers wrote.

lol
lmao

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"While Air Canada argues Mr. Moffatt could find the correct information on another part of its website, it does not explain why the webpage titled 'Bereavement travel' was inherently more trustworthy than its chatbot. It also does not explain why customers should have to double-check information found in one part of its website on another part of its website," he wrote.

This judge is amazing.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

dr_rat posted:

Has anyone actually ask Philly sports fans if they do harbor some grievances against windshields and streetlamps? For all we know they could have legitimate reasons for their apparent hatred of them.

It's more of a general air of hooliganism. E.g.

Morrow posted:

Philadelphia also destroyed the hitchhiking robot

That said, the city is pretty self aware. Bill Burr had a famous 15(?) minutes bit where he came out and started his regular routine, but the audience was not appreciative and started heckling. So, he proceeded to insult Philadelphia for the next 12 minutes, because he needed to be up there for 15 minutes and gently caress all of you if you're going to act that way.

Like 5 minutes in, he had half the crowd cheering as be kept going with his long, continuous steam of insults to Philadelphia. Absolutely incredible listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_H_Suj7SEs

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Fans then soon started throwing other projectiles including beer bottles and hoagies at him.

The most Philly boo possible, I love it

Volmarias fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Feb 15, 2024

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Philly has the municipal version of middle child syndrome. They were almost the capitol, but now they are kind of the major city that most people forget.

I honestly love Philly's weird mix of specific trashiness and incredible history, culture shaped by both diversity and racism, and combination of amazing food and terrible cheese.

There is a self-awareness to it that it much more endearing than NYC and SF's sense of city pride.

They really shouldn't have killed the hitchhiking robot, though. RIP Hitchbot.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


If it makes you feel better, it wasn't a robot, it was just a pile of trash as an art project.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Well it definitely was a pile of trash after Philly got done with it, but I don't think it's fair to call someone's art a pile of trash pre contact with Philadelphians.

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

Hey Philly is our pile of trash and we won't put up with anyone else putting their trash pile on top of ours.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
gently caress that robot. He was probably talking poo poo.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
At work, but this isa good one:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/air-canada-must-honor-refund-policy-invented-by-airlines-chatbot/

quote:

According to Air Canada, Moffatt never should have trusted the chatbot and the airline should not be liable for the chatbot's misleading information because Air Canada essentially argued that "the chatbot is a separate legal entity that is responsible for its own actions," a court order said.

Experts told the Vancouver Sun that Moffatt's case appeared to be the first time a Canadian company tried to argue that it wasn't liable for information provided by its chatbot.

Tribunal member Christopher Rivers, who decided the case in favor of Moffatt, called Air Canada's defense "remarkable."

"Air Canada argues it cannot be held liable for information provided by one of its agents, servants, or representatives—including a chatbot," Rivers wrote. "It does not explain why it believes that is the case" or "why the webpage titled 'Bereavement travel' was inherently more trustworthy than its chatbot."

Further, Rivers found that Moffatt had "no reason" to believe that one part of Air Canada's website would be accurate and another would not.

Air Canada "does not explain why customers should have to double-check information found in one part of its website on another part of its website," Rivers wrote.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Good on the tribunal for getting one right for once. Air Canada should be held liable for things its chatbot says.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Just a little tippy tap on the wrist, though if they’d won the case that would basically be giving any company the all clear to do some extremely hostile behavior. Still, their defense seemed half-hearted.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
Letting autocomplete make business decisions for my company.

Tuxedo Gin
May 21, 2003

Classy.

Apparently if they had put "This chatbot may give incorrect information" disclaimers, they would have won.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
One customer service chatbot lies, and the other customer service chatbot always tells the truth. Something, something, riddle, gently caress Air Canada and their sleazy bullshit.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

PT6A posted:

One customer service chatbot lies, and the other customer service chatbot always tells the truth. Something, something, riddle, gently caress Air Canada and their sleazy bullshit.

2020:

quote:

The U.S. Department of Transportation says Air Canada was the target of 1,705 refund complaints out of 10,415 filed against non-U.S. airlines in the month, outpacing all 80-plus foreign carriers in the category.

2021:

quote:

A Quebec labour judge has ruled that an Air Canada call centre employee who hurt herself going down a staircase while working from home suffered a workplace injury and merited worker’s compensation.

The ruling, handed down by Quebec administrative Judge Philippe Bouvier earlier this month, seems to be the first in the province to confirm that an injury that occurs during work hours in the home of an employee teleworking due to COVID-19 is eligible for worker’s compensation, according to experts.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord
Imagine making a simple website that gave false information and then claiming the website is its own legal entity.

Companies are so ravenous to eliminate their workforce, they're willing to bamboozle the courts into saying AI is a living creature.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Probably because they've got tech guys saying the same thing to them, despite evidence to the contrary.

But seriously, if you have an employee who makes as many actionable mistakes as these chatbots do you would fire them, so what is the incentive to keeping them around.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Launching a DDoS attack against a company and claiming that actually each packet is a legally distinct customer

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GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Kwyndig posted:

But seriously, if you have an employee who makes as many actionable mistakes as these chatbots do you would fire them, so what is the incentive to keeping them around.

The cost of the actionable mistakes is still less than the cost of a salary and benefits.

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