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How many quarters after Q1 2016 till Marissa Mayer is unemployed?
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BRJurgis
Aug 15, 2007

Well I hear the thunder roll, I feel the cold winds blowing...
But you won't find me there, 'cause I won't go back again...
While you're on smoky roads, I'll be out in the sun...
Where the trees still grow, where they count by one...

Kwyndig posted:

Probably because they've got tech guys saying the same thing to them, despite evidence to the contrary.

But seriously, if you have an employee who makes as many actionable mistakes as these chatbots do you would fire them, so what is the incentive to keeping them around.

Nobody wants to work anymore!

Look the search for efficient profit extraction is the dominant trait of human nature. Honestly people just get in the way of the business we conduct on this earth. Take it up with your God.

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TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Getting my chatbot to submit all purchase orders so I can change my mind at any time and say the bot was just lying

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

GrandpaPants posted:

The cost of the actionable mistakes is still less than the cost of a salary and benefits.

This equation needs to change

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

His Divine Shadow posted:

This equation needs to change

Republicans are working on it.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Kwyndig posted:

But seriously, if you have an employee who makes as many actionable mistakes as these chatbots do you would fire them, so what is the incentive to keeping them around.

What if the employee is an SVP's useless fail-child?

"Shove an AI in it" is someone's pet project, it's possibly going to take more than this to kill it, just like it would take a monumental gently caress up to eliminate a nepohire

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Papercut posted:

As an SF driver, I greatly prefer sharing the road with the waymo cars, they're much more predictable than human drivers

I've been privileged to watch a Waymo outperform human drivers. A junk truck was blocking the street in front of my building. You could get around it by swinging into a driveway and then back on to the street. Humans were very tentative doing this. They looked sloppy. The Waymo rolled up, scanned the situation, and pulled around the obstruction neat as you please. I'd be smug if I managed it as cleanly.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Kwyndig posted:

Probably because they've got tech guys saying the same thing to them, despite evidence to the contrary.

But seriously, if you have an employee who makes as many actionable mistakes as these chatbots do you would fire them, so what is the incentive to keeping them around.
A chatbot may eventually be correct. An employee will never handle a hundred customers at the same time.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


A chatbot currently can't handle a hundred simultaneous requests either, you have to stagger them in. Your point being?

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

I can fit 3 whole bud light cans now, ask me how!

Kwyndig posted:

A chatbot currently can't handle a hundred simultaneous requests either, you have to stagger them in. Your point being?

probably that staggering them in is cheaper than hiring an equivalent number of employees, so the corporations will do that even if it provides a sub-par customer experience?

susan b buffering
Nov 14, 2016

Kwyndig posted:

Probably because they've got tech guys saying the same thing to them, despite evidence to the contrary.

But seriously, if you have an employee who makes as many actionable mistakes as these chatbots do you would fire them, so what is the incentive to keeping them around.

Because investors love AI right now. Sorta like how Elon Musk actually sucks at running Tesla but is essential to its high market valuation.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Kwyndig posted:

A chatbot currently can't handle a hundred simultaneous requests either, you have to stagger them in. Your point being?

I'm not sure if I am just missing the joke, but almost the entire point of a chatbot is to allow for simultaneous acceptance for how many calls could be expected or even unexpected. People HAAAATE waiting in phone queues and also don't enjoy reading through all the information on the webpage and fine detail. They just want to ask a question like old mate did and have it answered. No queue, no faffing about through reams of fine print. Question, answer, job done.

Of course, it confidently giving the incorrect advice is a bit awkward (and spot on that the company is held liable for advice its software punches out).

Barrel Cactaur
Oct 6, 2021

Most wise bot adopters just use it to filter bullshit granny calls anyway, except that most bullshit granny calls come in through telephones and not text, so you just end up anoying people with another form of queue. You end up needing a human attendant to do anything you couldn't do with a click through menu on the website. Almost everyone who puts the AI in instantly gets burned.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
I don't know why these companies bother with AI chatbots when they could just remove any contact information from their site and replace it with a vague and unhelpful FAQ instead. That seems to have worked for a lot of companies over the past decade.

feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Feb 18, 2024

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

I can fit 3 whole bud light cans now, ask me how!

Barrel Cactaur posted:

Most wise bot adopters just use it to filter bullshit granny calls anyway, except that most bullshit granny calls come in through telephones and not text, so you just end up anoying people with another form of queue. You end up needing a human attendant to do anything you couldn't do with a click through menu on the website. Almost everyone who puts the AI in instantly gets burned.

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OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
Scientists aghast at bizarre AI rat with huge genitals in peer-reviewed article

Appall and scorn ripped through scientists' social media networks Thursday as several egregiously bad AI-generated figures circulated from a peer-reviewed article recently published in a reputable journal. Those figures—which the authors acknowledge in the article's text were made by Midjourney—are all uninterpretable. They contain gibberish text and, most strikingly, one includes an image of a rat with grotesquely large and bizarre genitals, as well as a text label of "dck."

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


How does this poo poo get past peer review?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Apparently, this "reputable" journal has a reputation among academics for not doing peer review and just publishing whatever nonsense. For what it's worth.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
Ok the rat is hilarious but the next picture of the pathway diagram thing is even more hilarious and suggests that nobody even bothered to peer review at all.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Boris Galerkin posted:

Ok the rat is hilarious but the next picture of the pathway diagram thing is even more hilarious and suggests that nobody even bothered to peer review at all.

they peer reviewed if the check cleared

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Boris Galerkin posted:

Ok the rat is hilarious but the next picture of the pathway diagram thing is even more hilarious and suggests that nobody even bothered to peer review at all.
it is a Frontiers journal, that’s not really their thing

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

A bad reputation is still a reputation!

Original_Z
Jun 14, 2005
Z so good
Yeah, there are plenty of journals which will just publish anything you send to them without any kind of review, people have done tests like just copying and pasting wikipedia articles or using autocomplete to write an entire paper (in the days before GPT so it was total nonsense). They just prey on people who are desperate to publish anything, not realizing that being put in these journals will do more harm to their career than good.

Tuxedo Gin
May 21, 2003

Classy.

Original_Z posted:

They just prey on people who are desperate to publish anything, not realizing that being put in these journals will do more harm to their career than good.

I don't know how common this is because my program didn't require it, but my friend's graduate program required a published article in order to graduate (I'm assuming in order to inflate the university's publication statistics), and for people who don't plan to go into academics and just want to graduate and go into industry, such journals provide a way to get your degree and move on.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Tuxedo Gin posted:

I don't know how common this is because my program didn't require it, but my friend's graduate program required a published article in order to graduate (I'm assuming in order to inflate the university's publication statistics), and for people who don't plan to go into academics and just want to graduate and go into industry, such journals provide a way to get your degree and move on.

My understanding is that a PhD almost by definition is meant to be as a result of original published work (as opposed to a MD, for example which is purely a technical training course). The PhD candidate's project should be reviewed by professors with expertise in the subject matter, prior to publication and awarding of the PhD.

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Electric Wrigglies posted:

My understanding is that a PhD almost by definition is meant to be as a result of original published work (as opposed to a MD, for example which is purely a technical training course). The PhD candidate's project should be reviewed by professors with expertise in the subject matter, prior to publication and awarding of the PhD.

I've seen this in master's programs as well where you'll have a lot more people not give a drat at the end of it.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Electric Wrigglies posted:

My understanding is that a PhD almost by definition is meant to be as a result of original published work (as opposed to a MD, for example which is purely a technical training course). The PhD candidate's project should be reviewed by professors with expertise in the subject matter, prior to publication and awarding of the PhD.

a PhD just needs to be original work, not necessarily published. My dissertation contained one published article, a lot of unpublished articles my advisor kept kicking down the road, and some corporate contract work that couldn't be published in a journal for obvious reasons.

Copy pasting a bunch of previously written journal articles into your dissertation certainly helps, but isnt required. Just needs to be original.

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

I can fit 3 whole bud light cans now, ask me how!
Favorite part about the rat picture is that the rat looks horrified by its own gonads

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
Wouldn't you be?

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
https://digipres.club/@timixretroplays/111957202255020049

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What fresh hell is this? Why would I ever want to log into my home router using *Facebook*?

It gets worse - I tapped on "Others" expecting to see a typical username / password prompt, but the only option in there is to... log in with WeChat.

https://digipres.club/@timixretroplays/111957285193731340

quote:

I can't decide whether to be more offended by that, or by the web login for the same router, which A) does sneaky DNS nonsense to make it appear as asusrouter dot com, B) is HTTP only (no 'S'), and C) has the balls to ask me to solve a CAPTCHA to log into hardware in my own goddamn house.

:stare:

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Pure evil

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
What’s the nightmare here? It sounds like this printer has a local hotspot you can connect your device on to print something. A 2 minute code seems reasonable?

Cerberus911
Dec 26, 2005
Guarding the damned since '05

Boris Galerkin posted:

What’s the nightmare here? It sounds like this printer has a local hotspot you can connect your device on to print something. A 2 minute code seems reasonable?

Printing a colour page to get a wifi code for your printer is not reasonable.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
It prints in colour for no reason instead of simply displaying the pin on a display. The reason it prints in colour can be seen in the last sentence.

Chronojam
Feb 20, 2006

This is me on vacation in Amsterdam :)
Never be afraid of being yourself!


The blue HP logo, printed in magenta this time, just to make sure we use a little and check your levels.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Feel sorry for who ever had to program that into the printer. Like obviously the management type have no morale's and don't care, but I'm assuming the person(/s) who programed it in knew they were making the world more garbage by doing what their doing, but just ended up having to do it anyway as that's their job. :(

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
I'm willing to bet the Indian programmers working for an outsourcing company didn't give even an iota of a poo poo. And to be clear, they shouldn't.

Furthermore, I think countries around the world should implement capital punishment for megacorp executives.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Bring back parallel ports.

Edit: or at least Ethernet ports.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
for the last 6 years i've gotten by printing all my personal documents at work. at some point it morphed from a temporary to permanent solution

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Tuxedo Gin
May 21, 2003

Classy.

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

for the last 6 years i've gotten by printing all my personal documents at work. at some point it morphed from a temporary to permanent solution

Same. I didn't even bother to hook up my printer when I moved a year ago. It's sitting on a shelf in my garage.

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