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John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Azran posted:

Is either of the Odyssey DLC good?

The first one, Legacy of the Blade I think its called? Is the infamous "your big strong lesbian asskicker wants to settle down and have a baby with some random dude" one. And even beyond that garbage it's pretty dull.

The Atlantis trilogy or whatever they're called are altogether better, but the premise is silly and ymmv on whether the more fantastical elements are fun or stupid. It's Yet More Odyssey but this time in mythological places.

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Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



Unfortunately the worst part of Black Flag is the 'Assassin's Creed' part and there are numerous 'walk slowly behind talking NPC' missions before you get your ship.

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Uuuuh! Seek ye me?
sid meier's pirates has 0 walk and chat missions before you get a boat

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
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drat Dirty Ape posted:

Unfortunately the worst part of Black Flag is the 'Assassin's Creed' part and there are numerous 'walk slowly behind talking NPC' missions before you get your ship.

they also managed to lure in stealth sequences with your ship too

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006
Hot take: Black Flag's ship gameplay was fine, but I was more or less over it about 80% into my playthrough.

Then they rehashed it in Rogue; I played about an hour of that and decided that I didn't want to sail around anymore.

Then they added it again with galleys to Origins and Odyssey and I was like siiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.

GhostDog
Jul 30, 2003

Always see everything.

Automata 10 Pack posted:

Black Flag is cheap and very chill fun. Unfortunately it has a pretty long intro from what I can remember, and the constant escort and tailing missions suck.

Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, is “Content: The Game.” It’s… Pretty good content though! It’s a nice light 8 out of 10 experience for hours upon hours upon hours upon hours.

Assassin’s Creed Valhalla is more of the same as Odyssey.

Valhalla is significantly worse than Odyssey imo. It's world is drab, the main character is boring, and maybe most importantly most locations have less verticality making the "clean out the outpost" gameplay loop much less fun.

Roxors
Feb 18, 2011
So adjacent to the Assassin's creed chat, are any of the later Far Cry games worth picking up on sale? I remember enjoying Far Cry 2, 3 and Blood Dragon, but never got around to getting any of the later ones. I got the impression that the story lines got worse and worse, so I mostly avoided them.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Roxors posted:

So adjacent to the Assassin's creed chat, are any of the later Far Cry games worth picking up on sale? I remember enjoying Far Cry 2, 3 and Blood Dragon, but never got around to getting any of the later ones. I got the impression that the story lines got worse and worse, so I mostly avoided them.

4 has the funniest ending in that, less than 10 minutes into the game, the main villain will be all "oh that thing you want? I'll give it to you. wait right here I'll brb" and he leaves. If you wait patiently (like 10-15 minutes) for him to come back, he'll give it to you, you get closure, and you go home safely. GAME OVER

kazil
Jul 24, 2005

Derpmph trial star reporter!

Roxors posted:

So adjacent to the Assassin's creed chat, are any of the later Far Cry games worth picking up on sale? I remember enjoying Far Cry 2, 3 and Blood Dragon, but never got around to getting any of the later ones. I got the impression that the story lines got worse and worse, so I mostly avoided them.

I thought FC Primal, the caveman one, was fun.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

StrixNebulosa posted:

4 has the funniest ending in that, less than 10 minutes into the game, the main villain will be all "oh that thing you want? I'll give it to you. wait right here I'll brb" and he leaves. If you wait patiently (like 10-15 minutes) for him to come back, he'll give it to you, you get closure, and you go home safely. GAME OVER

love that kinda rizz

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette
Far Cry 4 is pretty good, feels comparatively samey to Far Cry 3 but you probably won’t notice if you’ve played the two ten years separate from each other. It feels “authored” in a way that Ubisoft games don’t feel anymore. I’d say it’s a better game than Far Cry 3, technically. Can’t really get it to work right on the Steam Deck.

Far Cry: Primal is underrated. It’s still very much like Far Cry 3 & 4 except you don’t have any guns (a cool double bow tho…), but the setting is cool and I actually really enjoyed the story. Also, you get to collect pets!

Far Cry 5 is slop. Slop for the content troth. But it’s really fun slop. They knew how to make the slop engaging enough that you’re guaranteed to have 8.4/10 kinda fun for hours and hours. It’s the Assassin Creed’s Odyssey of the Far Cry games.

Far Cry: New Dawn, well, I played this before 5 because I was starving for a Fallout style game, and this game’s combat tried to be more RPG-y with it’s health bars and numbers, but New Dawn is basically Far Cry 5 but less.

Far Cry 6 is badly designed slop. Feels like an AI designed it. Unbalanced, repetitious, thoughtless.

Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Feb 17, 2024

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

kazil posted:

I thought FC Primal, the caveman one, was fun.

I really liked Primal too.

Volte
Oct 4, 2004

woosh woosh
I'm playing Ghost Recon Wildlands (on Game Pass) on co-op right now and it's pretty fun. It's basically exactly like a Far Cry game but with a much less over the top Tom Clancy plot that you can pretty much ignore instead of an overarching bombastic villain story.

mystes
May 31, 2006

I started playing Baba Is You and now I've hit a wall where all the levels feel impossible.

Volte
Oct 4, 2004

woosh woosh

mystes posted:

I started playing Baba Is You and now I've hit a wall where all the levels feel impossible.
Have you tried becoming the wall and moving it

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!

Volte posted:

Have you tried becoming the wall and moving it

:discourse:

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Volte posted:

I'm playing Ghost Recon Wildlands (on Game Pass) on co-op right now and it's pretty fun. It's basically exactly like a Far Cry game but with a much less over the top Tom Clancy plot that you can pretty much ignore instead of an overarching bombastic villain story.

Yeah it's a solid time if you have a group to play it with. I like how granular the gameplay settings are so you can really dial it in to play a few different ways.

Dackel
Sep 11, 2014


mystes posted:

I started playing Baba Is You and now I've hit a wall where all the levels feel impossible.

I also reached the 3rd stage

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Automata 10 Pack posted:

Far Cry 5 is slop. Slop for the content troth. But it’s really fun slop. They knew how to make the slop engaging enough that you’re guaranteed to have 8.4/10 kinda fun for hours and hours. It’s the Assassin Creed’s Odyssey of the Far Cry games.

Yeah. Last Far Cry I had played was 3, so last year I had good fun going through 5 what with a whole decade of not playing anything similar, it almost felt fresh and new. Almost. Shooting chuds who had gone too far and willingly decided to stay the course was honestly satisfying -- certainly better than shooting random people from another country just being ordered around by some dictator to go die in their name.

But then I hit the ending and that left me with such a bad aftertaste that it tainted the whole journey. It wasn't anymore some power fantasy of trying to help communities being attacked by legit awful people plus some mindless fun. No, Ubisoft had a political statement to do, stop the press: maybe YOU were in the wrong the whole time??? What a twist. gently caress that game.

Lesson learned. Gonna play a boomer shooter next time.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Volte posted:

Have you tried becoming the wall and moving it
Lol

Unfortunately I think I already got past that one

Eason the Fifth
Apr 9, 2020

Saoshyant posted:

Lesson learned. Gonna play a boomer shooter next time.

:hmmyes: Games never got better

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006
IMO Far Cry 6 is actually better than Far Cry 5 in most aspects on its own merits, it's just that the Far Cry Fatigue peaked by the time it came out.

I hope they keep the voiced MC and showing them in cutscenes, for example.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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FC6 seemed to have very few enemies while I was playing it co op, I dunno if it was bugged or something. During story sequences where you'd get attacked at a location, there was a lot of times where we'd kill off a wave and then sit there doing nothing for minutes and waiting like "thats it?".

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006
Dunno; I beat it in SP, worked fine for me for the most part.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Saoshyant posted:

Yeah. Last Far Cry I had played was 3, so last year I had good fun going through 5 what with a whole decade of not playing anything similar, it almost felt fresh and new. Almost. Shooting chuds who had gone too far and willingly decided to stay the course was honestly satisfying -- certainly better than shooting random people from another country just being ordered around by some dictator to go die in their name.

But then I hit the ending and that left me with such a bad aftertaste that it tainted the whole journey. It wasn't anymore some power fantasy of trying to help communities being attacked by legit awful people plus some mindless fun. No, Ubisoft had a political statement to do, stop the press: maybe YOU were in the wrong the whole time??? What a twist. gently caress that game.

Lesson learned. Gonna play a boomer shooter next time.

Cultic

Lichtenstein
May 31, 2012

It'll make sense, eventually.
If one could judge Far Cry 3+ games in abstract, not really considering ubigame fatigue or overall freshness at the day of release, 4 is probably the best.

Having said that, if you only played 3 I'd probably suggest giving 2 a try. It was a pretty unique and in many ways most interesting game in the whole series, before powers that be mandated endlessly regurgitating the formula of 3.

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette
you need to listen to the first season of
Idle thumbs while playing far cry 2

Kly
Aug 8, 2003

Roxors posted:

So adjacent to the Assassin's creed chat, are any of the later Far Cry games worth picking up on sale? I remember enjoying Far Cry 2, 3 and Blood Dragon, but never got around to getting any of the later ones. I got the impression that the story lines got worse and worse, so I mostly avoided them.

theyre all fun but if you care about story theyre not good. people complain about how 5 forces you into story missions "unexpectedly" but after the first time its extremely obvious when it will happen and you have control over triggering it.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Kly posted:

theyre all fun but if you care about story theyre not good. people complain about how 5 forces you into story missions "unexpectedly" but after the first time its extremely obvious when it will happen and you have control over triggering it.

you get kidnapped and torture-monologued at nine times in a row; sometimes you're midair in a helicopter and somehow you get tranqed and captured

there are no redeeming qualities to the way Far Cry 5's story is set up

Orv
May 4, 2011

Megazver posted:

you get kidnapped and torture-monologued at nine times in a row; sometimes you're midair in a helicopter and somehow you get tranqed and captured

there are no redeeming qualities to the way Far Cry 5's story is set up

The one ending where it turns out the bad guy was right is extremely funny but unfortunately it sort of requires the context of the rest of the game. Not super worth it.

Volte
Oct 4, 2004

woosh woosh

Kly posted:

theyre all fun but if you care about story theyre not good. people complain about how 5 forces you into story missions "unexpectedly" but after the first time its extremely obvious when it will happen and you have control over triggering it.
I don't think you really have control. IIRC it's just a meter that fills up as you do stuff and each time it passes a breakpoint, it triggers the next kidnapping. It was really flabbergasting how often it happened.

Orv posted:

The one ending where it turns out the bad guy was right is extremely funny but unfortunately it sort of requires the context of the rest of the game. Not super worth it.
He wasn't right about anything other than "nuclear war is coming" which, if you listen to the radio broadcasts in the game, wasn't exactly a hard call.

Volte fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Feb 18, 2024

Orv
May 4, 2011

Volte posted:

I don't think you really have control. IIRC it's just a meter that fills up as you do stuff and each time it passes a breakpoint, it triggers the next kidnapping. It was really flabbergasting how often it happened.

The quests that increase the meter are clearly marked and the bar fills up in very obvious chunks. You can absolutely just not trigger the next one for as long as you want and go around doing stuff that doesn’t fire the next kidnapping.

The ability for a bunch of dudes with magic tranq guns to kidnap you out of literally any vehicle or no matter how well you try to fight them off is why it feels so terrible.

Kly
Aug 8, 2003

Volte posted:

I don't think you really have control. IIRC it's just a meter that fills up as you do stuff and each time it passes a breakpoint, it triggers the next kidnapping. It was really flabbergasting how often it happened.

that meter has marks when it will happen though and nothing you do will make it jump drastically. the surprise aspect was extremely overblown, for me at least. the story missions sucked but all far cry story missions suck.

Volte
Oct 4, 2004

woosh woosh

Orv posted:

The quests that increase the meter are clearly marked and the bar fills up in very obvious chunks. You can absolutely just not trigger the next one for as long as you want and go around doing stuff that doesn’t fire the next kidnapping.

The ability for a bunch of dudes with magic tranq guns to kidnap you out of literally any vehicle or no matter how well you try to fight them off is why it feels so terrible.
I'm pretty sure basically everything in the game increases that meter. Like, yeah you stop it from triggering by just driving around and doing nothing, but if you want to actually play the game and do the side quests and events, eventually it's going to step in and force you to continue the story.

Kly posted:

that meter has marks when it will happen though and nothing you do will make it jump drastically. the surprise aspect was extremely overblown, for me at least. the story missions sucked but all far cry story missions suck.
I don't think anyone was ever surprised by it. That was never the complaint. It taking you out of whatever you happen to be doing to forcibly make you do something else is the problem.

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette
Also Far Cry: New Dawn is a continuation of 5’s story and it is revealed that the protagonist of Far Cry 5 was tortured and brainwashed by the bad guy into a Casey Jones looking dude that becomes one of your support buddies.

And the bad guy does reappear. If you want closure for whatever reason.

Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Feb 18, 2024

Orv
May 4, 2011

Volte posted:

I'm pretty sure basically everything in the game increases that meter. Like, yeah you stop it from triggering by just driving around and doing nothing, but if you want to actually play the game and do the side quests and events, eventually it's going to step in and force you to continue the story.

I don't think anyone was ever surprised by it. That was never the complaint. It taking you out of whatever you happen to be doing to forcibly make you do something else is the problem.

It was basically the character driven side quests and main story that increased it. You could go around and do all the Far Cry stuff without triggering it. Enemy PoIs, collectathons, guns, races, challenges were all fair game.

Kly
Aug 8, 2003

Volte posted:

I don't think anyone was ever surprised by it. That was never the complaint. It taking you out of whatever you happen to be doing to forcibly make you do something else is the problem.

sure. again, its easy to figure out whats happening though and just wait 30 seconds for the story to trigger when you fill the bar. im not saying its great but people would talk about it being some game ruining thing years ago then when i actually played it it wasnt really that bad. FC5 is probably my favorite one. i havent played 6 though.

Volte
Oct 4, 2004

woosh woosh

Orv posted:

It was basically the character driven side quests and main story that increased it. You could go around and do all the Far Cry stuff without triggering it. Enemy PoIs, collectathons, guns, races, challenges were all fair game.
I dunno if this is accurate but I found this list online:

quote:

Complete a story mission: 600 - 900 RP
Complete a Gun for Hire Specialist mission: 600 - 900 RP
Complete a side mission: 100 - 200 RP
Liberate a Cult Outpost: 400 RP
Complete a Clutch Nixon challenge: 200 RP
Save a hostage: 50 RP
Destroy a silo: 100 RP
Destroy a shrine: 100 RP
Destroy a roadblock: 75 RP
Destroy a supply vehicle: 75 RP
Kill a cult VIP: 50 RP

Kly posted:

sure. again, its easy to figure out whats happening though and just wait 30 seconds for the story to trigger when you fill the bar. im not saying its great but people would talk about it being some game ruining thing years ago then when i actually played it it wasnt really that bad. FC5 is probably my favorite one. i havent played 6 though.
:confused: Once again, at no point was I confused as to what was happening. I would be watching that bar fill up constantly and always anticipating the inevitable. It's being transported away to do some cutscene-based mission when I just want to liberate an outpost or something that sucks.

Volte fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Feb 18, 2024

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.
The first stronghold i cleared in fc5 was the nuclear missile silo and the good guys decide to blow the entrance instead of occupying it themselves and even that early in the game i was like lmao

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Orv
May 4, 2011

Volte posted:

I dunno if this is accurate but I found this list online:

Interesting, does it mention the needed points to trigger the next one? I wonder if my co-op friend and I simply did things in a way that leapfrogged the requirements really oddly.

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