supersnowman posted:

They all think it was 100% done wit human waves because that's wat the nazis said.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Strangely all things that can't be quantified. Weird.

RIP Syndrome posted:

Zaluzhnyi got out just in time.

Orange Devil posted:

Just realize they openly state this poo poo in these terms about Russians, who still resemble white people, imagine how they think western armies would fare against the perfidious Chinese.

I'm sure I don't even need to point out how extreme their racist ideas get about black people. It's just incredible to have it all laid out so openly not just by some chinless nazi, but as basically fundamental underpinning of foreign policy.

RIP Syndrome posted:

Zaluzhnyi got out just in time.

VoicesCanBe posted:

It's just white supremacy, same as it always was, and Russians don't qualify for the "in-group"

StashAugustine posted:

Yknow maybe the bright side here is that of we do end up shooting at China, Americans will keep believing they're winning no matter how many ships get sunk

Orange Devil posted:

I'm sure I don't even need to point out how extreme their racist ideas get about black people. It's just incredible to have it all laid out so openly not just by some chinless nazi, but as basically fundamental underpinning of foreign policy.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Anything else requires you to believe in idk metaphysics. The inherent, unmeasurable, superiority of the Ukrainians or inferiority of the Russians, or magic, basically, is the only way you can figure out how a defender armed primarily with 5.45mm small arms with an effective range of 300m could inflict greater casualties on an enemy with superior numbers of weapons with greater casualty producing effects across all ranges. It's the weekend so I can't actually gently caress around with it, but I'm positive you couldn't get KORA to produce those results at all, you would have to do something like tweak it so your troops were literally superhuman.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/LiamYidDem/status/1758696392275468294?t=sTTRGHvjGOwWM1f1NkOVKA&s=19

my bony fealty posted:

I thought Stalin loved Israel

which one is it Stalin haters

Officer Sandvich posted:

Some Guy TT posted:

what exactly do people mean when they say this do they think westerners are rich because we all own cars

Megamissen posted:

how is the goon-looking lpr reporter doing?

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1649310750127554561?t=YfPWzaCh5eb1Xf8hpBUl2w&s=19

https://twitter.com/orikron/status/1758901071764771175?t=OZ8Xhk8L6Pfio3ITioadtg&s=19

Adolf 1-5, come in Adolf 1-5, this is Hentai Actual

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

There's no one book that's like "here's why the entire history of the antiwar years was fabricated, actually Britain and France cared exclusively about anticommunism", so, like reading Chaos or Aberration in the Heartland of the Real, there's just the contour of something.

BadOptics posted:

lol, I just saw they have a trailer for the Korean War after they finish up with WW2. It's gonna be terrible. I've also noticed since 2022 they've removed the USSR's flag from the background of allied flags.

Edit: poo poo, sorry for the double post.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

One of the guys he speaks to ~5:00 was there when Russian targeted their own POW camp with HIMARs, to prove they could strike other POW camps if they wanted to.

Danann posted:

_{(from t.me/rybar/33131, via tgsa)}

LPR goon still alive after 90 days of special military operationing

quote:

“I decided to withdraw our units from the town and move to defence from more favourable lines in order to avoid encirclement and preserve the lives and health of servicemen,” said the newly appointed army chief Oleksandr Syrskyi in a statement.

Soldiers had raised concerns that Avdiivka could be “another Bakhmut” – the city that Ukraine defended fiercely last spring, but which ultimately fell after heavy losses.

OctaMurk posted:

Firing zaluzhny has probably improved zaluzhnys chances of taking power in the future if thats what he wants to do. He left command as a hero and is absolved of responsibility for the disasters to unfold. The stabbed in the back myth writes itself.

www.washingtonpost.com - Fri, 16 Feb 2024 posted:

When news first emerged last month that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was preparing to fire his top military commander, Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, officials in Moscow seemed jubilant. They had been trying to orchestrate just such a split for many months, documents show.

“We need to strengthen the conflict between Zaluzhny and Zelensky, along the lines of ‘he intends to fire him,’” one Kremlin political strategist wrote a year ago, after a meeting of senior Russian officials and Moscow spin doctors, according to internal Kremlin documents.

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s administration ordered a group of Russian political strategists to use social media and fake news articles to push the theme that Zelensky “is hysterical and weak. … He fears that he will be pushed aside, therefore he is getting rid of the dangerous ones.”

The Kremlin instruction resulted in thousands of social media posts and hundreds of fabricated articles, created by troll farms and circulated in Ukraine and across Europe, that tried to exploit what were then rumored tensions between the two Ukrainian leaders, according to a trove of Kremlin documents obtained by a European intelligence service and reviewed by The Washington Post. The files, numbering more than 100 documents, were shared with The Post to expose for the first time the scale of Kremlin propaganda targeting Zelensky with the aim of dividing and destabilizing Ukrainian society — efforts that Moscow dubbed “information psychological operations.”

Ukrainian society, however, has so far remained remarkably united since Russia’s invasion, according to opinion polls, and officials in Moscow, the documents show, sometimes expressed frustration at their inability to undermine Zelensky and foment division. One of them complained in one exchange that the Ukrainian president was like Brad Pitt, a global star with an image that couldn’t be sullied.

But with Gen. Zaluzhny now out, the front lines frozen and further military and financial support from the United States uncertain, some in Kyiv are concerned that Russia’s covert propaganda efforts could begin to erode national cohesion and morale.

“The most difficult times are ahead,” said one senior European security official who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. “Russia survived and they are preparing a new campaign which consists of three main directions: first, pressure on the front line; second, attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure; and thirdly, this destabilization campaign.”

[...]

The effort built on an earlier project that Kiriyenko, a longtime Putin aide, had been running to subvert Western support for Ukraine, including in France and Germany, previous reporting by The Post shows. The European propaganda group was overseen by one of Kiriyenko’s deputies, Tatyana Matveeva, head of the Kremlin’s department for developing information and communication technologies, the documents show.

By the end of 2022, after Ukraine pushed back Russian forces in the Kharkiv and Kherson regions and officials in Kyiv began to talk of a major spring counteroffensive in the east and south, Kiriyenko put together a second team focused on destabilizing Ukraine itself, the documents show. That effort was headed by one of his closest deputies, Alexander Kharichev, a bureaucrat known in some Moscow circles as the “fixer” or “election handler” because he ensures that domestic elections go the Kremlin’s way.

At a Jan. 16, 2023, meeting, Kiriyenko laid out four key objectives for the Ukraine propaganda team: discrediting Kyiv’s military and political leadership, splitting the Ukrainian elite, demoralizing Ukrainian troops and disorienting the Ukrainian population, the documents show.

The team’s success was to be measured according to key indicators: They were to “lower the ratings of key personnel in Zelensky’s office, the Ukrainian government, and the command of Ukraine’s armed forces,” and increase the belief among the Ukrainian population that the country’s elite was working only for itself. “A growth in the number of government dismissals and public conflicts” would also be a sign of achievement. To increase fear and anxiety, Ukrainian war losses were to be exaggerated, the documents state.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Kharichev and Matveeva did not respond to detailed requests for comment on the contents of the documents.

The documents show that progress was monitored at near-weekly Kremlin meetings, where the strategists gave dashboard presentations showcasing the most widely read posts they’d planted in Ukrainian social media and tallying the overall distribution of their output. They also ran weekly opinion polls on the level of trust in Zelensky and the country’s military leadership.

Among the material they highlighted was a fabricated Facebook post claiming that the family of a fallen soldier had not received any help from the state, which garnered more than 2 million views, according to one of the dashboard presentations. According to another, a top post for the goal of disorienting the population was a fake video on Telegram claiming that the main war aim of authorities in Kyiv was “to fight to the last Ukrainian.”

[...]

The strategists were aware of the difficulty of their task. “At the current moment, we are having to enter Ukraine’s media landscape practically from zero,” one report in April said. “The pro-Russian segment has been completely purged from the mass media and social networks.”

The strategists advised developing “a network of Telegram channels in combination with Twitter and Facebook/Instagram” as the most effective way of penetrating Ukraine’s media space, noting that the Telegram audience in Ukraine had grown 600 percent over the previous year. After the invasion, Zelensky’s government had created a single source of television news, but Ukrainians had drifted away from the programming, saying Ukraine’s military struggles were not sufficiently reported or discussed.

“Telegram became the most important source of news, even more important than mainstream media,” the senior European security official said. “It’s impossible to block it.”

The Moscow strategists emphasized the need to avoid blatant pro-Russian propaganda to build trust with the audience. “It’s clear that we can’t fly with our old resources,” one of the strategists wrote on April 5 after a Kremlin meeting.

By the first week of May, a post the Kremlin strategists had planted on Facebook, saying that “Valery Zaluzhny can become the next president of Ukraine,” had garnered 4.3 million views, one of the dashboard presentations shows. The Kremlin then issued orders to create similar posts or “additional reality” — a term used by Russian officials for fake news — including reports that Western leaders were looking for a replacement for Zelensky and that Zaluzhny intended to halt the counteroffensive.

Meta, the parent company of Facebook, said in a statement referring to the Russian posts about Zaluzhny and the alleged lack of state aid for the fallen soldier that it had been “monitoring and blocking accounts, Pages and websites run by this campaign” since 2022, “including these two Pages that were quickly detected and disabled by our security team.”

Undeterred, the strategists planted a plethora of articles in Ukraine via social media, with one in May headlined “Zelensky is holding on to the throne. In Ukraine democracy is being liquidated,” the documents show. Another in June sought to play up what it claimed was the prolonged disappearance of Zaluzhny from public view, with bloggers instructed to post comments declaring: “This is why Zaluzhny disappeared: Because he could have and should have taken Zelensky’s place.”

[...]

One of the strategists’ aims, European security officials said, was to ensure that the themes placed in European social media filtered back into Ukraine, through reposts and amplification, or by being picked up by Ukrainian politicians keen to boost their profiles with provocative posts.

“They look for weak spots. … They use what they create themselves and whatever is lying under their feet,” a second European security officials said. “Everything is aimed at demoralizing people.”

The strategists also had price lists for planting pro-Russian commentary in prominent Western media and for paying social media “influencers” in the United States and Europe “willing to work with Russian clients.” The documents say the Russians were willing to pay up to $39,000 for the planting of pro-Russian commentary in major media outlets in the West.

quote:

Just 6 months ago, it was safe to say that Ukraine was the most pro-American country ln earth. Ukrainians felt that the US and the values it was thought to represent were on their team in fighting a common enemy.

Now, it's a very different story with many in shock as to how easy it was for Russia to paralyze the US government. Some just see it as a huge betrayal as hundreds of soldiers are now dying every day, unable to fight back.

If the Ukrainian Arned Forces had been told that there would be this rug-pull, strategies could have been very different, saving thousands of lives.

US credibility here is now absolutely in the toilet.

A quote from this morning was "Don't the Americans understand what happens next? It's unavoidable now that NATO soldiers and civilians will be dying"

VoicesCanBe posted:

It's unavoidable now that NATO soldiers and civilians will be dying

KomradeX posted:

From what I gather, thats exactly what is meant. Hes talked to me how people still kind lived like they did during the 30s, as like a comparison to how people lived in the US during the Great Depression, vs how they started living in the 50s. Like we've talked about how stupid it was people gave away Communism for bananas and blue jeans. But really what were saying is they gave it up for a consumer society. These people had Western propaganda about how great life was beamed at them and they wanted the treats too. Maybe some of them thought they could have the benefits of Communism and the treats, but well they wanted the treats more

gradenko_2000 posted:

Adolf 1-5, come in Adolf 1-5, this is Hentai Actual

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Is the fall of Adviika part of a new general offensive by Russia across the entire eastern front, or was it more of a pyrrhic victory like the western press is telling it, that they will have to rest and regroup from before making another major push?

VoicesCanBe posted:

It appears Russia has launched an attack in the South, in the direction of Robotyne

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Is the fall of Adviika part of a new general offensive by Russia across the entire eastern front, or was it more of a pyrrhic victory like the western press is telling it, that they will have to rest and regroup from before making another major push?