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It's certainly a confusing choice in a game where you can't trade therefore why the hell would a player ever need that kind of info of other players?
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Mailer posted:I love that describing D4 to someone not familiar with its addiction to unforced errors is so confusing. Crafting works by breaking down items into affix bits, or finding them lying around, and then you smash them into items to enhance or add affixes. Individual items have only so much crafting capacity before you can't do it anymore, and you'll probably end up with a lot of the basic stuff, so fiddling with your gear as you go is something you'll probably want to do fiddle with gear to make it better. You'll only need to save the really good stuff, and most of that doesn't really start dropping until high levels anyway. There's obviously more to crafting than I'm explaining but I'm not writing a tutorial here just an explanation of the basic concept.
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WarEternal posted:D4 has no loot filter and yet the loot system is designed in such a way that navigating it without one is a nightmare. Not having one in D3 does not feel remotely as bad. You literally have to sift through every loving thing you pick up in D4, it's dumb as poo poo. The design of D4 was not thought out. You can’t even leave undesirable legendaries on the ground because they show up in your stash automatically lol Tonetta posted:they now do this thing where they now mulch all the gear tiered lower than your highest tier drop possible into gold This is implemented haphazardly/incompletely. Vaults will happily show you blue and sacred gear when you’re up to ancestral. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Feb 17, 2024 |
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Feb 17, 2024 15:57
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Clarste posted:And graphical improvements and 60 pages of other patch notes, whatever those are. It's the cool thing to do now. Brag about the number of pages in your patch notes
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Feb 17, 2024 16:44
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Clarste posted:Even if that's true, it's weird that they'd say it out loud. I like to think he did that on purpose just to spotlight how loving dumb it is to the internal team who decided to do it that way.
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Feb 17, 2024 17:00
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iirc the reasoning has to do with eliminating asset load times when players change their equipment. A lot of the gnarly engine stuff in Diablo 4 probably has to do with the fact the game has to run on base PS4s with full cross play
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Feb 17, 2024 17:10
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MrMidnight posted:I like to think he did that on purpose just to spotlight how loving dumb it is to the internal team who decided to do it that way. Making games is hard and these kinds of systems were designed that way for a reason. Circumstances might have changed since it was originally designed, or it could be something that was put together fairly quickly to address an issue. We don't really know. But there was likely a very good reason for doing it that way.
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Feb 17, 2024 17:36
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Much of game design about making trade-offs. The D4 devs decided that it was important that there be no interruption if you see another player change their equipment, a thing that is going to occur very rarely, sometimes not at all for some players. The trade-off is incredibly limited inventory space, a thing that is going to affect every single player who gets to endgame. This is laughable.
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Feb 17, 2024 20:18
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Does the same system apply to bought cosmetics?
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Noper Q posted:Much of game design about making trade-offs. I figure it has to be something like “if we don’t do this PS4/XB1 players get a multi-second lag spike when it does happen”
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Tiny Timbs posted:I figure it has to be something like “if we don’t do this PS4/XB1 players get a multi-second lag spike when it does happen” And there are a ton of possible workarounds for that that don't involve shooting their endgame in the foot. It's entirely possible and even likely that the devs knew this was going to be an issue, but a business/management person decided it wasn't a priority. I know game dev is hard work; I've worked in the industry (and there's a reason I'm not in it anymore). But regardless of who made the decision, it's an absurd decision and deserves to be mocked.
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Yeah I dunno. There’s obviously a lot of quick and easy decisions they made regardless of the long term consequences. PoE has its own performance issues with cosmetics though that game loads everything up-front.
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Noper Q posted:It's entirely possible and even likely that the devs knew this was going to be an issue, but a business/management person decided it wasn't a priority. After 15+ years as a professional (non-game) developer, I absolutely believe this is the case. I can’t count the number of times product handed down a feature to us to implement and all the developers would say “this is a terrible idea”, demand meetings with product to change their minds only to be told “we are doing it this way. It needs to be done by the end of the week. We already promised it. We can revisit it later”. This is the kiss of death. I don’t think I’ve ever been given the green light to fix that technical debt we would revisit later. I can almost guarantee you the developers knew it was a terrible idea and voiced as much
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mrbass21 posted:I can almost guarantee you the developers knew it was a terrible idea and voiced as much Hence my conspiracy theory
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Personally, I don't find it important to acknowledge the organizational structure of Blizzard, GGG, EHG or any other game dev prior to offering criticism. For example if the turn-off-chat function in last epoch isn't working properly on 1.0 launch, I will insult the devs for this reality and it actually won't matter to me what the internal debate at EHG looked like. We all have jobs, no one needs to be told 'well ACTUALLY the devs are innocent, what you want is evil product manager in charge of horse dicks'
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Tiny Timbs posted:I figure it has to be something like “if we don’t do this PS4/XB1 players get a multi-second lag spike when it does happen” I really don't buy any sort of "compromise" for needing to support ye olde consoles. MMOs and plenty of other multiplayer games have had this solved since their inception, there is no reason they needed to implement inventories however they chose to implement them. And a company with the talent/experience on hand and the cash-money to bring in any talent they want has no excuse for this. Noper Q posted:But regardless of who made the decision, it's an absurd decision and deserves to be mocked. 
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Here is my bold prediction: The game is going to be unplayable online because the servers are going to get crushed. By some point on the 22nd it will be stable enough to play.
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Clarste posted:And graphical improvements and 60 pages of other patch notes, whatever those are. Yeah, looking at those blogs it looks like a non-trivial amount of stuff is coming. That along with me not vibing with the game makes me want to wait until the 1.0 drop to try again at least. Also, while what I played of D4 was decent enough, it also felt like there was a desperation to be liked: "Hey kids! You did not like how D3 was campy? We are going back to being grimdark now! And we have skill trees back too! Please come back, PLEASE!". Is the D4 thread still full of people playing that hate the game, hate everyone else in the thread, and themselves? 
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Benson Cunningham posted:Here is my bold prediction: The game is going to be unplayable online because the servers are going to get crushed. By some point on the 22nd it will be stable enough to play. This seems extremely likely. Even if they’ve figured out their online issues since beta, they certainly haven’t tested anything.
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Dukberry posted:Personally, I don't find it important to acknowledge the organizational structure of Blizzard, GGG, EHG or any other game dev prior to offering criticism. For example if the turn-off-chat function in last epoch isn't working properly on 1.0 launch, I will insult the devs for this reality and it actually won't matter to me what the internal debate at EHG looked like. We all have jobs, no one needs to be told 'well ACTUALLY the devs are innocent, what you want is evil product manager in charge of horse dicks' Oh, for sure. I don't think anyone here is trying to absolve them of blame. But it is worth discussing the reason why these glaring issues exist, because "they're all a bunch of blithering idiots who don't understand basic cause and effect" is unlikely the case.
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What do you guys do with exalted items that are useless to you and you don't want to blow a Shatter Rune on it? Just sell it? I'm still finding a lot of gear that technically is what I'm asking for according to my loot filter, but don't need at all.
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BigRed0427 posted:What do you guys do with exalted items that are useless to you and you don't want to blow a Shatter Rune on it? Just sell it? Save some for legendary crafting
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BigRed0427 posted:What do you guys do with exalted items that are useless to you and you don't want to blow a Shatter Rune on it? Just sell it? Nothing’s worth vendoring. If you’re not going to use it, shard it or shove it into a Sanctum craft just don’t pick it up. You can also just make your filter more restrictive, but I know some people want to see every purple.
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BigRed0427 posted:What do you guys do with exalted items that are useless to you and you don't want to blow a Shatter Rune on it? Just sell it? I buy additional stash tabs.
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stash tabs are really cheap, just grab more if you need a new page and keep socking things away; if you're really strict about it you can limit it to saving only tier 7 exalteds but space is never a big issue in my experience
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BigRed0427 posted:What do you guys do with exalted items that are useless to you and you don't want to blow a Shatter Rune on it? Just sell it? just leave it on the ground if you don't intend on using it. if it looks like it has potential for your build but is just on a bad base, pick it up & craft with it to try to shove as many desired mods to sacrifice to a legendary piece. vendoring stuff is a waste of time, and if you finding stuff you don't actually like is often the case, it's time to revisit the loot filter and tune it up.
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An Actual Princess posted:is it worth starting the game now if i don't particularly care about playing online? like will existing characters get access to things like the item factions or w/e It's probably fine, but we don't know what we don't know. Apparently there's going to be 60 pages of patch notes so expect some balance changes, and there's going to be graphical enhancements that may give you a different first impression. And of course if you want to play one of the new mastery subclasses (Warlock or Falconer), you'll have to pause your playthrough when that choice comes up. Personally I'm waiting, but YMMV.
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I was trying to wait until Wednesday to play, but I ended up playing through the campaign this weekend. I really like the crafting system in this and it was nice to use it as I was leveling up. I also really like the implementation of the loot filter, however, I am really going to need them to add sound effects to it so I can hear drops like PoE.
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Sweetgrass posted:stash tabs are really cheap, just grab more if you need a new page and keep socking things away; if you're really strict about it you can limit it to saving only tier 7 exalteds but space is never a big issue in my experience Yeah but that's a trap because more room for hoarding stuff just means that you will either have to eventually sort through it all (and the job will be worse the more you've picked up in the meantime) or just keep buying tabs at what looks like an ever-increasing cost until the devs personally thank you in a post for being the biggest gold sink in the economy. Every character I have played to endgame has like two or three tabs full of exalts I will never use and never get the runes to shatter, and will never be worth the clicks to vendor, and the deeper I get into endgame the worse it will get, and (even with the tab search and renaming) that just makes it harder to find things I actually will use. Tonetta is right and I've learned this lesson hard - ruthlessly tuning the filter is the best loot QoL you can get. It is entirely possible to create filter rules for "good crafting project", "will shatter for lots of shards" and even, to a certain extent, "will be good for an alt or potential alt" (if you have a sense of what that alt might want or an item drops with some generically good affixes), and then tune them as your standards rise through leveling and the endgame. If you have a "just because it's THAT RARE" rule it should have a higher bar than you think. An Actual Princess posted:like will existing characters get access to things like the item factions or w/e What I recall hearing is that for launch and the first couple of cycles, existing legacy characters will get access to the new features right away (ie, everything will "go core") so if you don't care about the reset/new economy smell or aren't playing one of the new classes that will only be available after Wednesday then there's no reason not to start now. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Feb 18, 2024 |
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 Anyone else feeling this way the last week just waiting for Wednesday? Looking at all my Steam games feeling disinterested. Loaded up Chronicon again, got to like level 15 and was confused why I liked this game before.
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Ok just make “don’t play before it releases” the thread title or something this is getting silly
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fknlo posted:Is there any point in playing this before the 21st? If you play it before the 21st, you'll be put on a list. If you've never played before, it's a good time to just try it out and see how everything works without having to feel too invested in a character.
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I said come in! posted:Thank god for the offline mode, but yeah the online play will be turbo hosed. Of all the ARPGs I've played though, Last Epoch is the one I feel least strongly about needing to be online for. That is assuming the SSF faction exists in offline mode.
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Sab669 posted:
I’m excited! I haven’t played since much earlier in EA, and enjoyed the game for what it was. Looking forward to trying out the new classes and actually playing into the endgame. Probably going to play this as my “alongside other stuff” game until the summer when PoE2 beta finally launches (or gets inevitably delayed)
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Tiny Timbs posted:Ok just make “don’t play before it releases” the thread title or something this is getting silly
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