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A Buttery Pastry posted:Cities "threatened by storm surges or line of sight bombardment by ocean-going vessels" definitely also belong on the map, even if they're technically sitting on rivers. e: well, last page I guess now
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Grand Fromage posted:Wonder what they're defining as "on" here. Seoul's inland. It's not far from the ocean, but you can't see it from the city. Maybe from the observation deck of Lotte Tower? The way that big cities sprawl out, it's pretty easy for them to end up sprawling their influence all the way over to the coast. It can be even blurrier when a city is pretty close to the sea and has a big river going up into it that is a direct connection, and maybe at the point where the river enters the city it's too salty to drink, so arguably the river actually meets the sea is further inland. Philidelphia is a coastal city by that route. I think arguably London and Washington DC could be like that as well. Although South Korea is trying right now to move the capital to a place further inland, and a new fake city doesn't have sprawl yet, so no metropolitan area extending out to the coast. https://www.architectmagazine.com/d...-architecture_o And that leads to these maps:   
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That said, I feel like the map would be improved by a little more granularity in terms of categories. Cities "threatened by storm surges or line of sight bombardment by ocean-going vessels" definitely also belong on the map, even if they're technically sitting on rivers. That may be taking things too littorally
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the egypt one is bullshit the new city is basically a suburb of cairo
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SlothfulCobra posted:The way that big cities sprawl out, it's pretty easy for them to end up sprawling their influence all the way over to the coast. It can be even blurrier when a city is pretty close to the sea and has a big river going up into it that is a direct connection, and maybe at the point where the river enters the city it's too salty to drink, so arguably the river actually meets the sea is further inland. Philidelphia is a coastal city by that route. I think arguably London and Washington DC could be like that as well. Interesting! I didn't know Indonesia and South Korea were both in process of doing this. Brawnfire posted:That may be taking things too littorally 
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Platystemon posted:Capital cities on the ocean/a marginal sea. I'm the independent nations of Puerto Rico and Hong Kong.
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It's just a marker circle instead of the actual island, so maybe it's like St. Kitts and Nevis. But also that brings up the question why there isn't a marker for every island nation where there's no option but to have the capital on the coast.
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:the egypt one is bullshit the new city is basically a suburb of cairo are they gonna think of a better name than New Administrative Capital
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I'm glad someone brought up Philadelphia because I can't believe there are people that don't consider Pennsylvania to be a coastal state. The lower regions of the Delaware River are a tidal estuary, an extension of the Bay, which is part of the Atlantic Ocean. I know it's not a lot to look at on a map but it counts.
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Badger of Basra posted:are they gonna think of a better name than New Administrative Capital The new capital of Egypt has yet to be given a name. A competition was launched on the new capital's website to choose a new name and logo for the city. A jury of specialists was formed to evaluate the proposals submitted to list and determine the best among all the proposals.[6][7] No official results have yet been announced by the Egyptian Government. In October 2021, transportation minister Kamel al-Wazir indicated the city might be named "Masr," the Arabic equivalent of "Egypt."[8] Other proposed names include "Kemet," "Al Mustaqbal," and "Al Salam.
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Brawnfire posted:That may be taking things too littorally 
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abelwingnut posted:The new capital of Egypt has yet to be given a name. A competition was launched on the new capital's website to choose a new name and logo for the city. A jury of specialists was formed to evaluate the proposals submitted to list and determine the best among all the proposals.[6][7] No official results have yet been announced by the Egyptian Government. In October 2021, transportation minister Kamel al-Wazir indicated the city might be named "Masr," the Arabic equivalent of "Egypt."[8] Other proposed names include "Kemet," "Al Mustaqbal," and "Al Salam. It says a lot about how great Egyptians are that they didn’t have a Capital McCaperson or local equivalent in the mix.
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Subjunctive posted:It says a lot about how great Egyptians are that they didn’t have a Capital McCaperson or local equivalent in the mix. I feel the "jury of specialists" had more to do with that than any particular maturity of the population.
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Unreal_One posted:I feel the "jury of specialists" had more to do with that than any particular maturity of the population. Possibly, true.
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Yeah there's a 100% chance that there were terrible names in the mix, they just didn't make it top four. Crowdsourcing is fine, it's putting the unfiltered name to a public vote that gets you Boaty McBoatface.
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abelwingnut posted:The new capital of Egypt has yet to be given a name. A competition was launched on the new capital's website to choose a new name and logo for the city. A jury of specialists was formed to evaluate the proposals submitted to list and determine the best among all the proposals.[6][7] No official results have yet been announced by the Egyptian Government. In October 2021, transportation minister Kamel al-Wazir indicated the city might be named "Masr," the Arabic equivalent of "Egypt."[8] Other proposed names include "Kemet," "Al Mustaqbal," and "Al Salam. I hope there's a groundswell of support for naming it whatever the Arabic equivalent of "City McCityface" would be.
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The funny part is that Egypt had been doing the whole thing of trying to create new cities to put the important stuff instead of Cairo next to Cairo over and over again for decades now, investing in fancy new bespoke suburbs to the exclusion of developing the actual city itself. This time I guess they have the additional reason of having a government enclave defended from potential protests and uprisings. Hopefully they don't name the new capital by date again. The funny name would be Mexico City.
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EasilyConfused posted:Interesting! I didn't know Indonesia and South Korea were both in process of doing this. One of my friends works at a Korean government ministry so is forced to live in Sejong. It's unfortunate for him. There's a fair amount of resistance to moving the capital since no one wants to live in Sejong. New Korean cities kind of suck, poorly designed. They aren't as bad as new Chinese ones, but they are very sprawly and built primarily for cars instead of at human scale. Songdo might be even worse for that.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The funny part is that Egypt had been doing the whole thing of trying to create new cities to put the important stuff instead of Cairo next to Cairo over and over again for decades now, investing in fancy new bespoke suburbs to the exclusion of developing the actual city itself. This time I guess they have the additional reason of having a government enclave defended from potential protests and uprisings. they should call it New New Cairo
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abelwingnut posted:The new capital of Egypt has yet to be given a name. A competition was launched on the new capital's website to choose a new name and logo for the city. A jury of specialists was formed to evaluate the proposals submitted to list and determine the best among all the proposals.[6][7] No official results have yet been announced by the Egyptian Government. In October 2021, transportation minister Kamel al-Wazir indicated the city might be named "Masr," the Arabic equivalent of "Egypt."[8] Other proposed names include "Kemet," "Al Mustaqbal," and "Al Salam. I feel like Al Salam would be bad, given that it's the first half of assalamu aleykum, or hello. Of course Masr is equally stupid, especially considering that Europeans call the country Egypt based on the name for Cairo. Personally, I think "the City" is the way to go. Probably gonna work out great in Arabic too. As for placement, it seems like Egypt has three options: existing settlements, actively unhospitable or both. Building next to somewhere that has water seems like the best option. I also recall that the tradition goes back to Rameses II trying to move the capital?
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"Medina" (city) is already an existing city name.
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kiminewt posted:"Medina" (city) is already an existing city name. Yeah, but it's not like anyone goes there or cares about the place right?
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Grand Fromage posted:One of my friends works at a Korean government ministry so is forced to live in Sejong. It's unfortunate for him. There's a fair amount of resistance to moving the capital since no one wants to live in Sejong.
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In Denmark moving something “out to the provinces” means it’s like 30 miles away
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Why not take a hint from Microsoft and call it "Medina (New)"
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Badger of Basra posted:In Denmark moving something “out to the provinces” means it’s like 30 miles away Not gonna lie, my company in Copenhagen has people go anywhere in the country without a hotel if they prefer a long day on the road. And that's with the capital being located essentially on the edge of the country. Because the perfidious Swede took the east half of the country.
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Korea is very Seoul-centric, as far as most people are concerned anything outside of Seoul may as well not exist so even like moving ministries to Busan (aka the countryside) would face resistance. It's not going to matter, they've put way too much effort into building Sejong. Though I'm not sure if the elected government members are going to move down there, they may just be shoving all the bureaucrats out in the middle of nowhere.
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mobby_6kl posted:Why not take a hint from Microsoft and call it "Medina (New)" Medina New, Not Roman.
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Or they could pull an Apple, and change it from Medina to Youdina.
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Medina? I barely know her!
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SlothfulCobra posted:The funny name would be Mexico City. Name it “Constantinople”.
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It's my understanding that Medina is both funky and cold.
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mobby_6kl posted:Why not take a hint from Microsoft and call it "Medina (New)" Medina(1)_Draft_FINAL_(1)_Copy
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Powered Descent posted:It's my understanding that Medina is both funky and cold. Excellent song to put on a jukebox at a bar if the average age of the patrons is over 40
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Obama was the most well-travelled sitting president ever, and a lot of people just wanted him around because of how historic he was. Biden is only through his first term, the first year was in a pandemic so he couldn't travel much, and we've also had a couple major incidents damaging diplomatic ties. But it is funny that he left out France.
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Grand Fromage posted:Korea is very Seoul-centric, as far as most people are concerned anything outside of Seoul may as well not exist so even like moving ministries to Busan (aka the countryside) would face resistance. It's not going to matter, they've put way too much effort into building Sejong. Though I'm not sure if the elected government members are going to move down there, they may just be shoving all the bureaucrats out in the middle of nowhere. i still think that countries would benefit from a tsarist system where there's a winter palace and a summer palace and the functionaries have to move around depending on the season, and/or a pre-heian emperor system where each new head of state gets to move the capital to their favorite city. boosts some local economies, keeps bureaucracies from getting too stagnant, forces people to build good infrastructure in different places. i would also accept a versailles system where the state functions are outside of the city proper and also there are way too few toilets so everybody is just constantly covertly making GBS threads and pissing in the halls of power
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Excellent song to put on a jukebox at a bar if the average age of the patrons is over 40 I'm just happy to have had the opportunity to do a Tone Loc reference in goddamn 2024.
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Badger of Basra posted:In Denmark moving something “out to the provinces” means it’s like 30 miles away As BonHair said, our capital is situated right on the periphery of the (car-accessible part of the) country.
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Powered Descent posted:I'm just happy to have had the opportunity to do a Tone Loc reference in goddamn 2024. I haven't been able to do so since 2018!
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