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did starship troopers outright state the humans caused the 9/11 inciting incident on purpose to fuel a war or only imply that? maybe that would make it clearer for people, dunno.
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Verhoven on the set of ST: "I've met writers who use subtext and they're all cowards." And if the space Nazis were supposed to be evil then how come they're all hot?
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Light Gun Man posted:did starship troopers outright state the humans caused the 9/11 inciting incident on purpose to fuel a war or only imply that? maybe that would make it clearer for people, dunno. However, either way I think it was pretty clear that humans instigated the conflict by invading the Bugs' space. (I think it would actually have been almost impossible for the bugs to have intentionally attempted to target earth with the goal of attacking humans with an asteroid traveling from the bugs' territory not traveling by FTL because at the very least they would have had to launch it before humans had any technology, but I don't know if that was written to show that it had to be a false flag or it just didn't occur to the writers?) mystes fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 18, 2024 |
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Feb 18, 2024 22:27
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That video owns. TNG was really the only Star Trek I ever really liked so it's a fun vid. Never had any idea of any of these plexiglass issues lol
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Feb 18, 2024 22:46
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Light Gun Man posted:did starship troopers outright state the humans caused the 9/11 inciting incident on purpose to fuel a war or only imply that? maybe that would make it clearer for people, dunno. I don't think the implication was it was a false flag, but more like the actual 9/11 where it was the bugs retaliating for hosed up poo poo the humans had done. I think they had destroyed a bug planet before the attack. I kinda remember it being implied but not really stated.
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Feb 18, 2024 22:50
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It helps that they never show the bugs as having the capability to do the asteroid attack
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Feb 18, 2024 22:54
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1glitch0 posted:I don't think the implication was it was a false flag, but more like the actual 9/11 where it was the bugs retaliating for hosed up poo poo the humans had done. I think they had destroyed a bug planet before the attack. I kinda remember it being implied but not really stated. I believe the book makes it clear that it was a false flag by the humans to solidify support for the war.
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Feb 18, 2024 23:01
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First of May posted:I believe the book makes it clear that it was a false flag by the humans to solidify support for the war. That's what I remember but it's been a while
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Feb 18, 2024 23:05
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Kingo Ligma posted:Dickensian (Philip K.)
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Feb 18, 2024 23:09
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hosed-Up Little Dog posted:It helps that they never show the bugs as having the capability to do the asteroid attack this was like the first thing that made me realize the movie was not being upfront about the information it was presenting, wtf guys you're told that a giant cave beetle on another planet in another solar system "attacked" earth, while you're shown footage of a meteor strike, and in the same breath you're told that they "colonize" other planets by "hurling their spores into space" (meaning they're not actually space-faring, they're just interplanetary pollinators) and nobody in the movie thinks to question it even though it makes no sense it's less like 9/11 and more like if we blamed mount st. helens erupting on great white sharks
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Feb 18, 2024 23:28
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watched the virgin suicides at the alamo it's cool because the form of the film follows its subject matter: as late 20th century white suburbia was suffocating, insufferable, and absurd, so too is the film
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Feb 18, 2024 23:33
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You can hear the palpable disdain as the man himself has to lay it out clear as day in the commentary track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkOqiweYfwQ&t=73s
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Feb 18, 2024 23:34
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kalel posted:watched the virgin suicides at the alamo hmm..yes...indubitably
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kalel posted:alamo is playing existenz this week. people itt were posting about it a while ago, is it actually worth seeing in the theater or were you all just trolling It's top-tier Cronenberg. Videodrome stands alone as the GOAT, but eXistenZ is in the tier right below that. Glad you're still going hard with the screenings. I just Her a week or two ago, which I've seen several times but had missed in the original theatrical run. And I've got Big Trouble in Little China coming up as a midnight movie on Saturday! Crescent Wrench fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Feb 25, 2024 |
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Feb 18, 2024 23:38
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kalel posted:watched the virgin suicides at the alamo Yeah but the soundtrack is pretty dang good. Love Air, I practically breathe it at this point.
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CaptainBeefart posted:Yeah but the soundtrack is pretty dang good. Love Air, I practically breathe it at this point. this I cannot deny. you don't really mind that nothing happens because you can just vibe out. the prom scene was comfy
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Light Gun Man posted:did starship troopers outright state the humans caused the 9/11 inciting incident on purpose to fuel a war or only imply that? maybe that would make it clearer for people, dunno. It's never outright stated who is directly responsible for the rock or if it was a fluke but the Arachnids do have the ability to colonize other worlds via plasma and wormhole travel and they're much smarter than the Federation would like people to believe. Personally I believe that the Arachnids did throw the asteroid in retaliation for the "Mormon Extremists" setting up a colony in their territory and the Federation just let it hit Earth to justify an invasion. Constant aggression against the Arachnids before they finally snap and retaliate and then their retaliation is used to call them mindless savages. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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Feb 19, 2024 00:12
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First of May posted:I believe the book makes it clear that it was a false flag by the humans to solidify support for the war. lol awesome.
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Arc Hammer posted:It's never outright stated who is directly responsible for the rock or if it was a fluke but the Arachnids do have the ability to colonize other worlds via plasma and wormhole travel and they're much smarter than the Federation would like people to believe. Personally I believe that the Arachnids did throw the asteroid in retaliation for the "Mormon Extremists" setting up a colony in their territory and the Federation just let it hit Earth to justify an invasion. The underlying premise is that the bugs are simple creatures and that we could easily just get out of their way and establish a "let bygones be bygones" policy. Galaxy big! The movie even brings this argument up as something dumb and worthy of ridicule and so you, the audience, should naturally assume that of course they're lying and it's 100% possible. The bugs being a legitimate threat, even if we "fired the first shot" and they were just lashing out for survival, legitimizes the ugly fascism our society has to turn into, and undermines the message of the movie. All this to say... no. Of course they didn't throw the asteroid. It was obviously a false flag job.
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Feb 19, 2024 00:24
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is it better or worse if the asteroid was just a random asteroid no one was causing and the humans just used it as an excuse? lol
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sure okay posted:The underlying premise is that the bugs are simple creatures and that we could easily just get out of their way and establish a "let bygones be bygones" policy. Galaxy big! The movie even brings this argument up as something dumb and worthy of ridicule and so you, the audience, should naturally assume that of course they're lying and it's 100% possible. Except that the Arachnids aren't just simple creatures, they have a structured society that rivals humanity. We can still be sympathetic to the bugs without also infantilizing them.
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Feb 19, 2024 00:29
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Uhh I dont see them feeding propaganda videos to each other and wearing long black coats so no I don't think they rival humanity at all!
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sure okay posted:Uhh I dont see them feeding propaganda videos to each other and wearing long black coats so no I don't think they rival humanity at all! Clearly we just haven't been introduced to the media consuming members of the Arachnid society, the couch bugs.
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Murdstone posted:poo poo like this makes me want to see this movie tbh The villain gets crushed to death by the letter "S" from a Pepsi sign.
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I can’t get a read on Sofia Coppola and I know her movies all suffer from afluenza but they’re more interesting than 99% of the trash that comes out
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The asteroid was killed in Vietnam
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you may not like it but this is what peak modern filmmaking looks like:Castor Poe posted:The villain gets crushed to death by the letter "S" from a Pepsi sign.
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spider starts with an 's' 
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sure okay posted:Uhh I dont see them feeding propaganda videos to each other and wearing long black coats so no I don't think they rival humanity at all!
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Feb 19, 2024 01:11
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The only good bug is a dead bug. That’s all the information I need.
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I'm from Buenos Ares and I say kill em all!!
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I find the concept of the bug that can think offensive
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You think a bug ever told another bug they were "a little wild on the stick"? 
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sure okay posted:The bugs being a legitimate threat, even if we "fired the first shot" and they were just lashing out for survival, legitimizes the ugly fascism our society has to turn into, and undermines the message of the movie.
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sure okay posted:You think a bug ever told another bug they were "a little wild on the stick"? Don't exceed port speed. Or what? They'll revoke your brain privileges. And mine. So your life is in my hands
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poisonpill posted:I can’t get a read on Sofia Coppola and I know her movies all suffer from afluenza but they’re more interesting than 99% of the trash that comes out She makes pretty good movies
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mystes posted:We are given virtually no information about them, which isn't surprising considering that humans are shown as having zero interest in even trying to understand them. How could we possibly know whether they are "simple creatures" or not? Do we even know how they communicate? They communicate via Neil Patrick Harris telling us their feelings.
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mystes posted:We are given virtually no information about them, which isn't surprising considering that humans are shown as having zero interest in even trying to understand them. How could we possibly know whether they are "simple creatures" or not? Do we even know how they communicate? It seemed like they communicate with psychic powers. That was my assumption and the old video game had that explanation too. Either way, they have no technology or culture. They may not be entirely guilty, but I don't think this is an Ender's Game situation.
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Feb 19, 2024 01:56
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why wouldnt it be pheromones or dancing like how actual insects communicate
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That’s how Johnny Rico communicates, too
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