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FunkyFjord: Jul 18, 2004

CO2 sensor? Yeah you can find it in the back room, the one with all the plants.

E: possibly my worst page snipe yet

# ? Feb 19, 2024 01:28

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# ? May 26, 2024 09:42

Stutes: Oct 13, 2005; Tonight's the Night

NeonPunk posted:

At this point even if we somehow pass a requirement that all indoors must have a low co2, businesses can just simply cheat the system just by installing a oxygen tank to the AC, it's cheaper that way with no benefits except to get around the reqs

Adding O2 does not remove CO2, see Apollo 13

# ? Feb 19, 2024 01:52

Dog Case: Oct 7, 2003; Heeelp meee... prevent wildfires

The co2 scrubbers are cheaper if we get the ones without a particulate filter

# ? Feb 19, 2024 01:56

mrbotus: Apr 7, 2009; Patron of the Pants

So what are my options for personal, small scale c02 scrubbing for my nerd cave?

# ? Feb 19, 2024 02:42

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

just... just put ventilation in

# ? Feb 19, 2024 02:45

FunkyFjord: Jul 18, 2004

I open a window or two and/or turn on a fan.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 03:19

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

FunkyFjord posted:

I open a window or two and/or turn on a fan.

Not such a great idea during fire season.

Though I am wondering if that mightn�t be a back door into better ventilation in schools. All that wildfire smoke is bad for kids! we need to improve ventilation! Less CO2= higher test scores! Covid filtering is just a happy byproduct.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 03:23

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

Oracle posted:

Not such a great idea during fire season.

Though I am wondering if that mightn�t be a back door into better ventilation in schools. All that wildfire smoke is bad for kids! we need to improve ventilation! Less CO2= higher test scores! Covid filtering is just a happy byproduct.

Honestly I was hoping around Seattle with our scheduled yearly smoke season now that it might be a reason for places to do better on ventilation but it seems like it isnt moving the needle. Like bad smoke days are now stay home from school and sports events rather than doing anything to abate the smoke.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 03:38

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

It should be a back door to environmental issues and degrowth

Co2 is a proxy for covid levels and lowering... Reducing cognitive or development impacts of co2 concentration is a happy accident of fixing the immediate insane threat of viral devastation, not the other way around

E: Sorry oracle I misread your post, you're right lol that's probably how to get through to dipshits.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 03:50

Salt Fish: Sep 11, 2003; Cybernetic Crumb

Stutes posted:

Adding O2 does not remove CO2, see Apollo 13

"These datacenter nitrogen fire extinguishers can't remove the O2 so we're safe to keep working"

# ? Feb 19, 2024 04:18

FunkyFjord: Jul 18, 2004

Oracle posted:

Not such a great idea during fire season.

Though I am wondering if that mightn�t be a back door into better ventilation in schools. All that wildfire smoke is bad for kids! we need to improve ventilation! Less CO2= higher test scores! Covid filtering is just a happy byproduct.

I live in one of those hyper bigoted intentionally ignorant states that stopped testing and tracking statistics shortly after Florida did the same, not a place that regularly burns because of gender reveal parties or backwoods fireworks. But yeah windows may be a bad idea in counties with fire seasons.

I like the gaslighting idea though, we certainly can't get good things done with good intentions.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 04:46

Livo: Dec 31, 2023

Poor air quality has been linked to negative health outcomes for a very long time, so gas-lighting politicians into "fighting wildfire smoke & poor air quality in general is a must, it's been costing us billions for decades!" without mentioning Covid at all might be a valid tactic.

I'll re-quote my earlier links about the Victorian government policy requiring air purifiers in schools. Silly suggestion: replace Covid with wildfire smoke/pollution particulates in those documents, trumpet the prolonged economic cost from poor air quality costing businesses & tax-payers a fortune, then send them to your local school district and state government as a proposed policy, regardless of what country you live in. It'd probably have a better chance of being adopted. Large public spaces like shopping centres or supermarkets should also be included in air quality legislation: even if businesses just do the bare minimum of "plug in big commercial air purifiers at the main entrances & in the food court so we meet the minimum legal requirements", that would still be a big improvement IMHO.

https://www.education.vic.gov.au/PAL/improving-ventilation-for-school-safety-factsheet-parents.pdf

https://www2.education.vic.gov.au/pal/ventilation-air-purification/policy

https://www2.education.vic.gov.au/pal/ventilation-air-purification/guidance/operation-placement-air-purifiers

# ? Feb 19, 2024 12:09

Pingui: Jun 4, 2006; WTF?

https://www.inquirer.com/health/paul-offit-tell-me-when-over-covid-vaccine-misinformation-20240218.html posted:

Paul Offit looks back on COVID-19, misinformation, and how public health lost the public�s trust in new book
"Tell Me When It's Over" chronicles the first years of the COVID-19 pandemic, and the mishaps of public health agencies.
(..)
In his new book, Tell Me When It�s Over: An Insider�s Guide to Deciphering Covid Myths and Navigating Our Post-Pandemic World
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Another mixed message came in August 2021: President Joe Biden promoted booster shots for American adults even though boosters had not been approved by the FDA yet.

A month later, the FDA advisory committee overwhelmingly voted against the recommendation to offer boosters to people under age 65, because there wasn�t enough evidence at the time that an extra dose would improve protection to people of all ages.

The conflicting messages added to public distrust, Offit said.

The FDA began expanding the eligibility for boosters in Nov. 2021, and currently recommends that everyone over age 6 months receive an extra shoot.
(..)

Hey Offit, this is literally you continuing to undermine trust by making bad decisions as a part of the FDA advisory committee and then constantly pissing and moaning when those decisions get clowned on.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 13:16

Cabbages and VHS: Aug 25, 2004; Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

mawarannahr posted:

They're citing a different figure. I think the 2% is the average failure rate per use, whereas 18% is the percentage of people who eventually get pregnant relying on condoms.

2% is the number of couples who reported getting pregnant in a year of using a condom correctly every time, in the study I was looking at.

However, I dispute this, I think that 2% reflects breaks or leaks that are not noticed, and that's "correct use" in the same way that accidentally blowing your pilot light out before a long trip and not noticing it is. "Common mistakes" != "Correct use".

But, yes, this is all very similar to the "masks don't work" arguments and it is a narrative trying to undermine what remains of basic public health sensibilities.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 13:26

NeonPunk: Dec 21, 2020

Over half of a million people caught Dengue in Brazil.

https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1758770761202811244

Meh, that's just endemic.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 14:00

Pingui: Jun 4, 2006; WTF?

There have been a bunch of this type of article out, because the CDC published an article in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) with long COVID rates. I haven't posted any of the articles before, because it needs a comment on what exactly the article says. Here just a link to the article and the headline, merely as an example.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/long-covid-rates-vary-significantly-state-18672326.php posted:

Long COVID rates vary significantly by state. See where California ranks

To kick of the comment, here is the MMWR:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7306a4.htm?s_cid=mm7306a4_w posted:

Notes from the Field: Long COVID Prevalence Among Adults � United States, 2022

Summary
What is already known about this topic?
Long COVID encompasses a range of health problems that emerge, persist, or recur following acute COVID-19 illness.

What is added by this report?
Age- and sex-standardized prevalence of reporting ever having experienced Long COVID among Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System survey respondents in U.S. states and territories ranged from 1.9% (95% CI = 0.9%�4.1%) in the U.S. Virgin Islands to 10.6% (95% CI = 9.5%�11.8%) in West Virginia; prevalence of Long COVID exceeded 8.8% in seven states.

What are the implications for public health practice?
Ongoing assessment of jurisdiction-specific prevalence of Long COVID could inform policy, planning, or programming to support U.S. adults experiencing Long COVID.
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FIGURE. Prevalence of reported experience of Long COVID among adults aged ≥18 years, by jurisdiction � Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, United States, 2022

_{Abbreviations: DC = District of Columbia; GU = Guam; PR = Puerto Rico; USVI = U.S. Virgin Islands.}

As you can tell, though published Friday, it is an analysis of data gathered in 2022 through the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System. The problem with the data, is a combination of the question asked:

https://www.cdc.gov/brfss/questionnaires/pdf-ques/2022-BRFSS-Questionnaire-508.pdf posted:

(..)

(..)

And the case data distribution (with the two highest, one of the lowest (DC) and California):

Notice that Delta winter wave in the two highest prevalence states? Until the big Omicron wave happened in ~January AND 3 months had passed, that was the driver of long COVID per the questionnaire. So what does the report actually tell us? - that some states had a heavy Delta wave? - that some states have higher vaccination rates and that vaccines reduce PASC?

I don't think I can comfortably conclude much, but I can say that it is mainly being used by liberal states to pat themselves on the head for high vaccination rates and I don't think that is as much of driver as proposed.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 14:03

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Livo posted:

Poor air quality has been linked to negative health outcomes for a very long time, so gas-lighting politicians into "fighting wildfire smoke & poor air quality in general is a must, it's been costing us billions for decades!" without mentioning Covid at all might be a valid tactic.

Easily defeated by our new American public health policy, �are you some kind of pussy?�

# ? Feb 19, 2024 14:08

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

NeonPunk posted:

Over half of a million people caught Dengue in Brazil.

https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1758770761202811244

Meh, that's just endemic.

If only people washed their hands! :freep:

# ? Feb 19, 2024 14:18

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

It�s cool that the US government let four companies buy up all the local news stations in the US, because grandpa now gets to watch this very official looking report on �long vax� and how it�s killing more people than Covid ever did

# ? Feb 19, 2024 14:24

captainbananas: Sep 11, 2002; Ahoy, Captain!

The Oldest Man posted:

You have to meet people where they're at

https://slate.com/technology/2024/02/withdrawal-pullout-method-birth-control-contraceptive-pregnancy.html

For example, ladies, you now have to meet your boyfriend where he's at, which is telling you that not wearing a condom is just as good as wearing one follow the science

UCSF strikes again

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:35

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

coivd

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:36

Suck a Dick No Homo: Apr 22, 2008

Gunshow Poophole posted:

coivd

Dangit, Coivd again!

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:40

Cabbages and VHS: Aug 25, 2004; Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

It�s cool that the US government let four companies buy up all the local news stations in the US, because grandpa now gets to watch this very official looking report on �long vax� and how it�s killing more people than Covid ever did

we thought the companies would be responsible purveyors of media though. doesn't good intent count for anything anymore??!

# ? Feb 19, 2024 15:43

DR FRASIER KRANG: Feb 4, 2005; "Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

It�s cool that the US government let four companies buy up all the local news stations in the US, because grandpa now gets to watch this very official looking report on �long vax� and how it�s killing more people than Covid ever did

Long Coivd lmao

# ? Feb 19, 2024 16:17

Zugzwang: Jan 2, 2005; You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.; Ramrod XTreme

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

It�s cool that the US government let four companies buy up all the local news stations in the US, because grandpa now gets to watch this very official looking report on �long vax� and how it�s killing more people than Covid ever did

Maybe if those companies followed Ticketmaster + LiveNation's example and pinky-sweared that they wouldn't abuse their consolidated power, things would've worked out better

# ? Feb 19, 2024 16:19

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

Zugzwang posted:

Maybe if those companies followed Ticketmaster + LiveNation's example and pinky-sweared that they wouldn't abuse their consolidated power, things would've worked out better

I'm not even sure our extremely libertarian (read: right wing) financial or broadcast regulators would consider "lie to every American constantly, always" to be abuse

They'd consider it the opposite of abuse, a public good. "Oh, good is allowed to complete with bad. That means things are working."

# ? Feb 19, 2024 16:26

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

captainbananas posted:

UCSF strikes again

They really are a scourge

# ? Feb 19, 2024 17:29

mancalamania: Oct 23, 2008

I ended up getting Novavax and just adding my anecdotal experience to the heap: much better reaction to it than any of the mRNA shots. After each of four Pfizer shots I got I had a fever, lymph node swelling, and was essentially bedridden for a day. For this Novavax I had an on-and-off headache and was a little lower energy for a day but that�s about it. I guess I was also kind of thirstier than usual for a day?? Anyway, 10/10 experience, get moth�d.

# ? Feb 19, 2024 18:01

Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

Article from Australian news media:

quote:

It's been four years since Tim Stannard could smell or taste anything normally, thanks to what he originally thought was "a little flu".

"It's debilitating. It's depressing. Over four years now, I've suffered daily symptoms," he said.

"Probably the most depressing thing of all is the loss of taste and smell."

Mr Stannard said he was regularly fatigued and would sometimes sit and stare into space for two or three hours at a time.

"I'm still on long-term disability [support payments], basically � because I just can't work. I can't function highly enough to work."

Mr Stannard said he believes he was one of the first people to bring COVID-19 into Sydney's eastern suburbs in 2020.

He returned home to Sydney from northern California � where he thinks he contracted COVID-19 from his son � arriving just two weeks after New South Wales recorded its first case of the virus, but more than a month before the federal government declared a public health emergency.

"We went down to Bondi, went to a nice cafe and I had been chatting to all sorts of people in close contact who had no masks, we just thought all this is just a little flu or something," he said.

Months after returning to Australia, Mr Stannard said his symptoms were getting worse.

His GP referred him to numerous specialists, including a gastroenterologist, a lung specialist and a cardiologist, but none of them were able to find anything that explained his symptoms.

"It took me two years just to get a diagnosis of long COVID," he said.

Eventually, he heard about a new long COVID clinic that had opened in a major Sydney hospital in 2022 and Mr Stannard asked his GP "on bended knee" for a referral.

It took six months for the clinic to respond with an appointment time, which was with an intake nurse over the phone.

"She referred me to a bunch of literature which is basically four years old, which is like 'get lots of rest, drink fluids, sniff lemons and cloves to fix your broken brain cells that aren't smelling anymore'."

Mr Stannard said he wasn't given any real answers regarding what medications he should take.

"Then I was told my next appointment will be in a year's time in October of 2024," he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-20/long-covid-inquiry-government-response-medical-health/103483536

# ? Feb 19, 2024 22:01

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

Long Coivd lmao

I�ve been spending my day off well by watching local news and I�ve seen like six glaring typos including �Theordore Roosevelt�. I hear Covid does something bad to your brain but I don�t remember what it is

# ? Feb 19, 2024 23:27

Shady Amish Terror: Oct 11, 2007; I'm not Amish by choice. 8(

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

I�ve been spending my day off well by watching local news and I�ve seen like six glaring typos including �Theordore Roosevelt�. I hear Covid does something bad to your brain but I don�t remember what it is

Disambiguating covid damage from increased stress, shittier working conditions, or writer positions being reduced to chatbot-prompters would require both a significant expenditure of money into upturning capital's dirty laundry and finding enough covid-naive respondents to pass statistical muster. The pedant in me still wants to err on the side of caution even while whistling in the dark and laughing not to cry, but the poster in me just says 'lol, lmao'

# ? Feb 19, 2024 23:54

Gildiss: Aug 24, 2010; Grimey Drawer

Korean doctors are resigning and threatening strike action this week.
For better conditions? More supplies? Masking?

[Editorial] Korean public will not abide doctors� threats of �health care catastrophe�

quote:

In its attempt to prevent the increase of the nationwide medical school admission cap, the Korean Medical Association (KMA) is resorting to threatening the public with a �health care catastrophe.�

Using the pain of their patients as leverage to protect their privileges is a bridge too far. Such selfish collective action will not win over the public, the majority of which already wants the admission cap to be increased.

In a statement put out on Sunday, the KMA�s emergency committee to prevent the increase of the nationwide medical school admission cap stated, �If the government tries to frame medical students and residents as engaging in unconstitutional actions when they are simply acting on a voluntary basis, it will be met with a health care catastrophe.�

This statement was released after Prime Minister Han Duck-soo�s address to the nation that day, in which he called the health care reform �a demand of the era that can no longer be delayed,� and appealed to interns and residents to �stay with their patients and protect the field.�

The KMA has decried efforts to increase the number of medical school students as �an attempt to create a Cuban-style, socialist health care system� while criticizing the government�s �demonization of doctors and their witch hunts against them.�

The day before, the KMA�s emergency committee declared, �If there is any fallback on doctors and their medical licenses, then we will view the move as a direct offense against doctors.�

�They have waded into waters they cannot handle,� the KMA committee warned.

In response to the government�s stern countermeasures, doctors issued a de facto declaration of war, holding patients and their families hostage. Regarding the shortage of doctors in the provinces and rural areas, Joo Soo-ho, a former KMA president, has remarked, �The countryside doesn�t have a shortage of doctors. The provinces simply have a lower standard of living,� all but calling those who live outside the Seoul capital area uncivilized. Joo and the KMA have clearly failed to grasp the fury of the people, who are fed up with the arrogance of doctors clinging to their privilege.

Residents at major Seoul hospitals have vowed to tender their resignations en masse by Sunday. They have declared that they will stop working as of Tuesday, sparking concerns about delays in surgeries for patients in critical care and other medical disasters.

Doctors are severely disconnected from the public, which has clearly expressed its desire for an increase in medical school students. Results of a poll conducted by Gallup Korea released on Friday showed that 76% of respondents supported increasing the number of medical school students, as opposed to 16% of respondents who said �there are more negative effects.� In a survey conducted by the Korean Health and Medical Workers' Union at the end of last year, 89.3% of respondents supported increasing the number of medical school students.

Nations like Japan, Germany and the UK have all steadily increased the number of medical school students to meet the needs of their aging societies. South Korea is the only country where doctors have banded together in staunch opposition to such an increase. We have maintained the same number of medical school students since 1998. Since then, however, the country has seen steady population aging. Gaps in the medical system and shortages in medical personnel are causing many to suffer, and others to die.

We cannot further ignore pressing issues by kowtowing to the egotistical interests of doctors.

A little more detail into the conditions here when the Nursing Bill was struck down by President Yoon last year.
A bill that this Korean Medical Association opposed fiercely.
[Column] Nursing bill debate lays bare castes system in Korean healthcare

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The opposition from physician groups has been vehement, despite the fact no other provisions in the Medical Service Act or nursing bill even hint at the possibility of such independent clinics being opened. It also comes at a time when such doctors have not been showing any interest to speak of in local community home visits.

Characteristically, physicians have sought a monopoly on every kind of healthcare activity � an approach that is closely tied to rent-seeking behavior based on physician licenses.

In South Korea, 90 percent of healthcare institutions are privately owned, and it is seen as natural that healthcare professionals would seek profits. A central pillar of this is the �action-based medical fee system,� in which charges are assessed for individual treatment actions by physicians.

Kim Chang-yup, a professor at the Seoul National University Graduate School of Public Health, explained that under this system it �becomes a sensitive question who makes a profit through what activities.�

�If there is even a hint of concern that nurses will open their own clinics, they perceive that as infringing on the economic interests of physicians,� he said. Under this analysis, the Nursing Act provisions were never going to be welcomed under a system where everything revolves around physicians, from establishing clinics and hospitals to receiving money from national health insurance.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 00:32

NeonPunk: Dec 21, 2020

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/how-did-they-die-nevada-limits-superbug-death-data/amp/

quote:

As testing reveals more cases involving the “superbug” known as candida auris, the medical field is struggling with a tough question. Are people dying “from” C. auris, or are they just dying “with” C. auris?

It’s an uncomfortable question. So much so that the Nevada Division of Public and Behavioral Health (DPBH) is no longer releasing any data regarding deaths involving one of the five CDC “superbugs” classified as an urgent health threat.

Lmao

# ? Feb 20, 2024 00:36

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

actually people just die for no reason whatsoever because reasons are unknowable, cause and effect are epistemologically invalid concepts, follow the science

# ? Feb 20, 2024 01:02

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

in fact you cant even prove those people are dead, were ever alive, or are or were people, cite your sources

# ? Feb 20, 2024 01:02

Shady Amish Terror: Oct 11, 2007; I'm not Amish by choice. 8(

oh hmm still appears to be hellworld

alas

# ? Feb 20, 2024 01:05

Why Am I So Tired: Sep 28, 2021

This could turn out to be a great resource, it's being shared and praised by a lot of thread favorites.

Thread:
https://twitter.com/CovidSafetyEd/status/1759388267970179121

Link:
https://www.covidsafetyforschools.org/

edit: oh poo poo, Deepti Gurdasani and David Berger were both involved, this should be great

Why Am I So Tired has issued a correction as of 01:23 on Feb 20, 2024

# ? Feb 20, 2024 01:12

Insanite: Aug 30, 2005

The Oldest Man posted:

actually people just die for no reason whatsoever because reasons are unknowable, cause and effect are epistemologically invalid concepts, follow the science

"death is certain"
--the cdc

# ? Feb 20, 2024 01:37

Steely Dad: Jul 29, 2006

Insanite posted:

"death is certain"
--the cdc

Certain Death Centers

# ? Feb 20, 2024 01:55

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# ? May 26, 2024 09:42

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

quote:

A new poll of historians coming out on Presidents� Day weekend ranks Mr. Biden as the 14th-best president in American history, just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant. While that may not get Mr. Biden a spot on Mount Rushmore, it certainly puts him well ahead of Mr. Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever.

Indeed, Mr. Biden may owe his place in the top third in part to Mr. Trump. Although he has claims to a historical legacy by managing the end of the Covid pandemic; rebuilding the nation�s roads, bridges and other infrastructure; and leading an international coalition against Russian aggression, Mr. Biden�s signature accomplishment, according to the historians, was evicting Mr. Trump from the Oval Office.

lol.

I mean lol at all of it, but that part in particular.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 01:58

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