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GonSmithe posted:What does not "being a snake" do for the person here? You keep arguing against things that I'm not saying. I think he made the right choice for himself and everyone else at the table was dumb to believe him. I think tweet OP is even dumber for trying to complain about lying in CEDH. All I'm saying is that it's okay for the other players to say he's a manipulative liar and that there is a little bit of cost to that reputation. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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Feb 19, 2024 18:19
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this is gonna pop into my head and give me multiple chuckles over the next week, thanks thread for the love of god folks, please do not under any circumstances trust someone's word in a competitive FFA game
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Feb 19, 2024 18:22
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this actually reminds me of playing live poker in vegas, where people will get real mad when you check-raise them.Toph Bei Fong posted:No one casts Silence on their own turn if they can't win that turn no im not going to win. plz trust me. ;___;
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Feb 19, 2024 18:23
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HootTheOwl posted:I still don't know why we took the casual fun time format for judges to unwind after a long day of babysitting cut-throat angle shooters into it's own competitive format full of cut-throat angle shooters. As the cEDH advocates insist: cEDH is commander, just where everyone is bringing a deck and mindset with one focus. To win. The fact that casual EDH players don’t really want to play with cEDH decks is immaterial. The cEDH players have decided they’re going to take EDH and make it competitive, but there won’t be rules or banlist changes because they don’t want another format (‘because it would die immediately’ seems to be the reason), they want the idea that they’re able to take their decks and sit down and play with someone running a Karona goodstuff deck whenever. It doesn’t matter that nobody with ever play tymna/kraum against a well constructed 8 for the same reason you don’t just put a legacy control deck against a modern combo deck. The control deck is built with the legacy metagame in mind and even if the combo deck does well, they weren’t really playing the same field because their sideboards are for different metas. There’s always going to be people who want to push formats to their logical conclusion, and I respect that. But the cEDH community seems big enough to split and be focused on what works best for them. I know it won’t happen, you don’t have to tell me! I’m just here for the growing pains of a format that hasn’t figured out how to do competitive yet, it’s very fun.
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Feb 19, 2024 18:29
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rickiep00h posted:The idea that casual fun time format means no one tries to win is pretty funny tbh. "Fun" is the most arbitrary and subjective criterion ever. Anyone playing Wrath is a snake. Yeah I don't think I want to play EDH with you.
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Feb 19, 2024 18:30
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kalel posted:this is gonna pop into my head and give me multiple chuckles over the next week, thanks thread It's a webcam tournament. I'm already trusting you to infinity.
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Feb 19, 2024 18:31
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Chakan posted:As the cEDH advocates insist: cEDH is commander, just where everyone is bringing a deck and mindset with one focus. To win. They can insist all they want. I will still believe them wrong to do so.
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HootTheOwl posted:It's a webcam tournament. Also don't do this
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:All I'm saying is that it's okay for the other players to say he's a manipulative liar and that there is a little bit of cost to that reputation. Yeah, and I'm saying it's not okay to do that, and if you are saying and doing that you're a huge baby who should be playing a different game/going back to regular EDH where people might agree with you. This tweet sums up my feelings: https://x.com/siziyman/status/1759516800658616632?s=20 quote:"I said I'd hold him to his word" GonSmithe fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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Chakan posted:As the cEDH advocates insist: cEDH is commander, just where everyone is bringing a deck and mindset with one focus. To win. Someone is going to win every game of Magic. The speed at which that happens is mostly irrelevant and if I get beat before I can do my winning thing, then I get beat. All this argument is is the newest iteration of the "Netdeckers are fun-hating shitlords" argument. If you don't want to get stomped, don't play against strangers, don't play against your friends who recognize that winning is a part of the game, and especially don't play in tournaments for prizes. It's not a problem inherent to Commander, it's a problem inherent to zero-sum games. If you're going into a game with the expectation of at least 3 people losing and aren't comfortable with one of them being you, either build a better deck or don't play, because whining about it is loving insufferable.
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Feb 19, 2024 18:44
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I have a bomb strapped to my chest that's set to go off if you counter my thassa's oracle. just wanted you to know that before I passed priority
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rickiep00h posted:Someone is going to win every game of Magic not if I can help it
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GonSmithe posted:Yeah, and I'm saying it's not okay to do that, and if you are saying and doing that you're a huge baby who should be playing a different game/going back to regular EDH where people might agree with you. Getting upset about people publicly saying what you did is what makes you a huge baby
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Feb 19, 2024 18:55
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rickiep00h posted:Someone is going to win every game of Magic.  Commander legal!
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Feb 19, 2024 18:57
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Anyone who pulls that off has won the game they're playing regardless of the official result.
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Judgy Fucker posted:
That's what I'm talkin about!
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My win condition is Prisoner's Dilemma. I don't mean winning via it dealing lethal damage (though that's acceptable), I mean that if I cast it and get to see everyone's face as I explain how it works I have won.
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fadam posted:Here’s another CEDH conundrum that gets people riled up: you have a Pact of Negation in hand but in hand/board only a way to make 2UU. You’re last in priority order and someone puts a win on the stack. Priority passes to you, Pact is your only relevant interaction- do you cast it? cedh seems cool in the sense that there's no social contract on your deck power beyond the banlist and everyone is there with the intent to win the game but poo poo like this is why i can not imagine ever playing it for actual stakes, like you're just adding social contract stuff back in except now there's money on the line. fwiw i agree with your take on what the player should do
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Feb 19, 2024 20:56
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the magic game engine is ill-suited to ffa multiplayer. it's not anyone's fault that edh games lead to feel bads from social contract manipulation, kingmaking, not playing to win, etc, it's just a natural outcome of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
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FWIW I play CEDH every weekend with a group of fellow 30+ year olds who used to play tons of 60 card formats competitively in our youth and it is a ton of fun. It's an amazing format when everyone sitting down at a table has the same expectations. As much whining and complaining I see about Rule Zero, power imbalances, players being salty etc. whenever I pop into a store and people are playing they all seem to be having a blast.
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There's also not as much to discuss about people just having normal fun together without notable friction or mismatched play philosophy, which is probably most games and groups of friends.
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All the talk about kingmaking reminds me of a cEDH similar drama that got posted in the EDH thread last MayToshimo posted:The full video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnBPxktRjv4 Toshimo posted:Just to be clear, if you want to have a nuanced discussion on this, you almost certainly need to watch the video because the length of diacussion and complexity of the gamestate are hard to describe fully.
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I also seem to recall a story where someone playing a 60 card format forgot to buy/get/bring the card in his deck that he needed for some combo without which he couldn't win and all he did was show the loop that would fetch/get the winning card but his opponents kept conceding before he had to show the card... does anyone know what i'm talking about?
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W.T. Fits posted:All the talk about kingmaking reminds me of a cEDH similar drama that got posted in the EDH thread last May Love the time-honored "I can solve this but I choose not to" announcement.
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Strong Sauce posted:I also seem to recall a story where someone playing a 60 card format forgot to buy/get/bring the card in his deck that he needed for some combo without which he couldn't win and all he did was show the loop that would fetch/get the winning card but his opponents kept conceding before he had to show the card... does anyone know what i'm talking about? Yeah I remember this story. I'm pretty sure it was Pros Bloom without Drain Life or another kill card but I don't remember the other details. It was a major tournament, maybe a GP?
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Strong Sauce posted:I also seem to recall a story where someone playing a 60 card format forgot to buy/get/bring the card in his deck that he needed for some combo without which he couldn't win and all he did was show the loop that would fetch/get the winning card but his opponents kept conceding before he had to show the card... does anyone know what i'm talking about? You're probably thinking of this.
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Strong Sauce posted:I also seem to recall a story where someone playing a 60 card format forgot to buy/get/bring the card in his deck that he needed for some combo without which he couldn't win and all he did was show the loop that would fetch/get the winning card but his opponents kept conceding before he had to show the card... does anyone know what i'm talking about? Lsv realised he didn't have a tendrils, it might've been missing from his sideboard. I think only his finals opponent made him play it out?
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Sit on my Jace posted:You're probably thinking of this. loving fantastic
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yeah that's the story.
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Hell yes Frank Horrigan!! Ride's over, mutie!
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For the low, low cost of 10 mana and a haste enabler you can make Frank proliferate 8 times in one turn with Saw in Half.
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kalel posted:I have a bomb strapped to my chest that's set to go off if you counter my thassa's oracle. just wanted you to know that before I passed priority lmfao Strong Sauce posted:I also seem to recall a story where someone playing a 60 card format forgot to buy/get/bring the card in his deck that he needed for some combo without which he couldn't win and all he did was show the loop that would fetch/get the winning card but his opponents kept conceding before he had to show the card... does anyone know what i'm talking about? As others have linked, that's LSV who is amazing at mind games. The pen trick bluff is another ridiculous maneuver by LSV that would send those cEDH players off a cliff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQKaJrUaYTI&t=2128s Explanation: LSV drew Settle the Wreckage. If Dezani sends the squad it's all over. Dezani is measuring the board state trying to figure out math for attackers and whether he needs to leave blockers behind. LSV has Adanto, the First Fort in play which if I recall correctly had been used before. While Dezani is trying to figure out whether to attack or not LSV moves his lands so three mana are lined up and grabs the 1/1 Vampire token in his hand, sending a signal that if Dezani attacks he is going to make a vampire token to chump block. Once Dezani attacks he tosses the token aside and casts Settle the Wreckage to wipe Dezani's board, ending the game on the spot. It's a masterful move that LSV is known for making.
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Aphrodite posted:My win condition is Prisoner's Dilemma. A game I played yesterday came down to Hot Pursuit's second effect coming into play right at the end. And the look on the other guy's face when he read the second paragraph of a card that had been sitting on the board all game was the best payoff of the whole night.
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Enough about dickhead moves in casual games, watch the funniest goddamn edh video ever made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Go3yByhL8 the part where prof explains mind goblin to Ced, and Jim and Patrick are asphyxiated with laughter is the greatest thing I've watched all week
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Silhouette posted:Enough about dickhead moves in casual games, watch the funniest goddamn edh video ever made  Yeah this video is just A++ incredible. "Cedric, if you had a counterspell in your hand and you didn't counter this I'll never forgive you."
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Cleretic posted:A game I played yesterday came down to Hot Pursuit's second effect coming into play right at the end. And the look on the other guy's face when he read the second paragraph of a card that had been sitting on the board all game was the best payoff of the whole night. Yesterday I got to have the perfect Blame Game finish in a 5 player game. 2nd to last turn I played Disrupt Decorum; everyone survived but their boards got really beat up. When it got back to me, I got Fiendish Duo out then played Prisoner's Dilemma. One player snitched, killing two and leaving the last player pretty low. Player 3 there was also mostly tapped out because of the Disrupt Decorum except for some small tokens he had created. I had Hot Pursuit out from a previous turn and a couple of Suspected creatures were still alive, but the snitch used Assassin's Trophy to blow it up as I went to combat so it passed to him. He dropped Craterhoof for ~5 but only sent 2 attacks at me and the rest at the 3rd player. Duo blocked one to shave off enough and I Deflecting Palmed the other back at him, using the land he gave me. Then the snitch got beat up in the next game for snitching. It was everything I have ever wanted.
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Silhouette posted:Enough about dickhead moves in casual games, watch the funniest goddamn edh video ever made "I have three kids, there's no way you can beat me at this game" "I'm in my mind palace right now, imagining what my untap step will look like" "Can I count your deck?" Just impeccable ending
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Aphrodite posted:Yesterday I got to have the perfect Blame Game finish in a 5 player game. 2nd to last turn I played Disrupt Decorum; everyone survived but their boards got really beat up. When it got back to me, I got Fiendish Duo out then played Prisoner's Dilemma. One player snitched, killing two and leaving the last player pretty low. Player 3 there was also mostly tapped out because of the Disrupt Decorum except for some small tokens he had created. Honestly, I am thrilled by how well-designed Blame Game is for the format it's designed for. It's not that it's powerful (although it's definitely got some muscle behind it), it's just that it's clearly made with such an understanding of how Commander works that it'll just always play pretty well. And the fact that its main strength comes from essentially encouraging everyone to attack each other means that it scales really well to your opponents.
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