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JollyBoyJohn posted:I wonder if anyone has ever asked the question "can I watch Jaws: The Revenge without seeing the first 2?" Sometimes earlier entries in a series are important to the newest game, sometimes they're not. It's easy to cherry-pick examples for either case. Like you probably wouldn't argue that it's important to play DOTA before playing DOTA2 (or maybe you would, I don't know how deep that brain rot goes)
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Feb 20, 2024 04:41
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You have to skip Saints Row 1, starting from 2 instead. Then you have to play Saints Row 3 and then 4, in that order, if you go straight from 2 to 4 the whiplash may snap your neck
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Feb 20, 2024 04:46
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JollyBoyJohn posted:I showed Doom (1993) to a 12 year old family friend and they bought it on their own steam the next day. That's because Doom is when shooting games peaked. GoldenEye added a control stick so you could lean back a little more but the extra axis of aiming was a step back and most shooting games after strayed even further from hell's light.
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Feb 20, 2024 04:51
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Fur20 posted:quack shot b*tch 
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QuarkJets posted:Sometimes earlier entries in a series are important to the newest game, sometimes they're not. It's easy to cherry-pick examples for either case. Like you probably wouldn't argue that it's important to play DOTA before playing DOTA2 (or maybe you would, I don't know how deep that brain rot goes) There are people who are mad that later games in a franchise even have tutorial levels because 'you shouldn't be playing this game if you've never played anything else in this series (or games before).' To a point that I get tutorials should be more 'optional', but I see the hatred of them existing at all in those latter franchise games to be really strange.
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Feb 20, 2024 05:49
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Be sure to play Resident Evil 3 before playing Resident Evil 7
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Feb 20, 2024 07:08
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Yelling at the Claire's ear piercing orientation video mad I've seen it already
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Feb 20, 2024 07:19
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WILDTURKEY101 posted:You can start Might and Magic at 6 or 7 but World of Xeen is really good if you can handle how old it is. You dont need to start at 1 Hmm...You should start and end with World of Xeen. It never gets better and everything before and after is worse. Dramatically.
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Feb 20, 2024 07:23
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The Moon Monster posted:You can skip Prelude to Pestilence before playing Griloch's Revenge, but you'd be missing some context. 
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Feb 20, 2024 08:02
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obra dinn is really fun to play with a friend or two over
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Feb 20, 2024 08:11
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JollyBoyJohn posted:I showed Doom (1993) to a 12 year old family friend and they bought it on their own steam the next day. I admire its purity. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.
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Feb 20, 2024 09:02
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You shouldn't be playing dota until you have 40 years of experience playing dota.
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Feb 20, 2024 09:05
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I just beat NieR:Automata. Of course I have previously played Drakengard and Nier, but poo poo, I didn't play Drakengard 3, which is the prequel to Drakengard, and now everything is hosed up (Drakengard 2 has nothing to do with anything)
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Feb 20, 2024 09:12
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JediTalentAgent posted:There are people who are mad that later games in a franchise even have tutorial levels because 'you shouldn't be playing this game if you've never played anything else in this series (or games before).' No one is actually mad at that kind of poo poo lol, or at least "mad" translates into "they made a joke about it on the internet once and it upset someone" such a made up gamer thing, no one in the history of the world has ever said "you should listen to Pablo Honey before The Bends" - despite the fact that Pablo Honey is an underrated classic i know its a bad example because an album lasts 40 minutes and a game much longer but its absolutely a symptom of gamer brain (an ailment i have trust me)
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Feb 20, 2024 09:47
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JollyBoyJohn posted:I showed Doom (1993) to a 12 year old family friend and they bought it on their own steam the next day. Yeah my 15yo daughter and her friend found it in my steam account and started playing it, they loved it
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Feb 20, 2024 10:19
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Dunno what to tell you bro, ducktales owned Donald Duck isn't the star of Ducktales, absolute school boy error.
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Feb 20, 2024 10:29
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Disco Pope posted:Donald Duck isn't the star of Ducktales, absolute school boy error. That's a hard burn on you, op
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Feb 20, 2024 11:01
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TIL Scrooge McDuck and Donald Duck are 2 separate things
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Feb 20, 2024 11:03
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JollyBoyJohn posted:TIL Scrooge McDuck and Donald Duck are 2 separate things They're basically identical when completely nude.
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Feb 20, 2024 11:10
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JollyBoyJohn posted:TIL Scrooge McDuck and Donald Duck are 2 separate things One's completely indecipherable and the other is Scottish.
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Feb 20, 2024 11:31
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Disco Pope posted:One's completely indecipherable and the other is 
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George posted:You shouldn't be playing dota until you have 40 years of experience playing dota. This reminds me of when a group I used to game with transitioned over to DOTA 2. I thought what the hell, I'll jump in - I'd heard of it, but nothing more. I was informed I should spend 10-15 hours watching them play, then another 20-30 hours playing against bots before I'd even begin to understand the game. I found something else to play instead.
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Feb 20, 2024 13:29
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i too refuse to play fun videogames with friends because they are better than me nah for real, when most of my game group jumped to pubg i was like straight up "gently caress that noise"
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Feb 20, 2024 13:35
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JediTalentAgent posted:There are people who are mad that later games in a franchise even have tutorial levels because 'you shouldn't be playing this game if you've never played anything else in this series (or games before).' I tried playing gears of war 5 and it had like a full hour of unskippable tutorial that does things like make you demonstrate each thing it teaches you 3 separate times and then has a final exam where you have to do it all over again one more time. And nothing it does or teaches you is even remotely out of the ordinary for a shooter. Games need less tutorials in general I don't think every game needs to assume it's the first video game you've ever played. Make that poo poo optional at the very least
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Feb 20, 2024 13:38
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Then you have tutorials where you spend 2 or 3 minutes in-game pressing all the standard buttons to verify that they do the same things they do in every other game and then for the next 20+ minutes you get tutorial popups that keep explaining how to do all the things you've already been doing Or tutorials where you can't even perform the specific action until the tutorial teaches you about it so it's not even possible to just experiment with the controls for 2 minutes and figure it all out It's like if every movie you watched opened with a 20 minute short film explaining that to watch the movie you should face forward and open your eyes and direct them at the screen. Most games these days are indistinguishable from other games controls-wise and every game is so afraid of alienating the like 0.1% of players who are brand new to video games that they make the other 99.9% of players sit through a forced Gaming 101 orientation Or there's the Ubisoft method where the tutorials literally never end and 20+ hours into the game you're still getting little popups that say "you can assassinate an enemy by approaching them and pressing X!" deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Feb 20, 2024 |
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Feb 20, 2024 13:49
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JollyBoyJohn posted:No one is actually mad at that kind of poo poo lol, or at least "mad" translates into "they made a joke about it on the internet once and it upset someone" Music albums don't have the direct continuation of plot that games do. People absolutely did and still do that poo poo with movies, games, TV shows.....
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Feb 20, 2024 13:57
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tbf most people who play video games are not elite somethingawful gamer-heads, and game devs probably have a bunch of telemetry indicating that a lot of those players got lost and confused somewhere along the way early in their earlier works or failed to accomplish a specific early milestone or something like that. for every one high speed low drag gbs operator there could well be ten of that one cuphead reviewer or that one doom 2016 reviewer
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The only reason anyone would need to play games in a certain order is story continuity. Since story in games is completely superfluous, no one ever needs to worry about which order to play any game series in. Fake edit: The only argument I’ll entertain is that some games are very good, but their sequels are enough of an improvement that going from sequel to original would be enough of a step back that it would diminish the enjoyment of the first. Example - Divinity: Original Sin.
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Feb 20, 2024 15:07
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Games should start displaying a manual with basic controls while they are downloading, so they can start removing all the god drat tutorials
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Feb 20, 2024 15:11
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If you make tutorials totally optional, I guarantee a huge amount of people who actually need them will believe that they're too good to need them, miss out on some unique or interesting mechanic that the game actually does try to introduce, and then complain that the game sucks because they never learned it. Thinking of games with good tutorials, Sekiro comes to mind - it's diagetic, if you're skilled you can show off a little in it (and be rewarded) and it's pretty short. Hell, Castlevania: SotN didn't have a tutorial as such, but I liked that it secretly graded you on how you did in the intro dracula fight and how this affected some of your load out. I wonder how popular or viable introducing tutorial content based on skill would be, but I guess then people would complain about missing content and by salty the game suggests they need to acquire some skill. Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Feb 20, 2024 |
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Feb 20, 2024 15:21
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If your game's unique mechanic can be missed due to a skipped tutorial then you suck at making a game
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Sapozhnik posted:tbf most people who play video games are not elite somethingawful gamer-heads, and game devs probably have a bunch of telemetry indicating that a lot of those players got lost and confused somewhere along the way early in their earlier works or failed to accomplish a specific early milestone or something like that. While this is true, catering to them would make the mentioned games worse.
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Sapozhnik posted:tbf most people who play video games are not elite somethingawful gamer-heads, and game devs probably have a bunch of telemetry indicating that a lot of those players got lost and confused somewhere along the way early in their earlier works or failed to accomplish a specific early milestone or something like that. After I had spend a long time polishing the tutorial on our VR game and we pushed the big update live we had some VR youtubers make videos about it. In the most popular video the guy got stuck and frustrated at the crouching part. I don't know what he wanted from us, I pointed a light and the crouchy bit, there was a sign that told him to crouch, there was text on screen that appeared (this time it didn't bug) with instructions and If I recall correctly there was even a ghost demonstrating it. I don't know what more we could have done. And this was an experienced gamer with a youtube channel. Might have been a brain fart caught on camera or something.
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I have a mental block about playing turn based yakuza games. I love JRPG's but something about a turn based yakuza game is incredibly off putting to me. I just cant get over it.
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Feb 20, 2024 17:28
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Disco Pope posted:If you make tutorials totally optional, I guarantee a huge amount of people who actually need them will believe that they're too good to need them, miss out on some unique or interesting mechanic that the game actually does try to introduce, and then complain that the game sucks because they never learned it. That reminds me of going back to old games I'd played growing up when I hit high school, reading the manuals, and finding out about the 11 million jump options I never knew about playing Mario 64 as a wee one. Also, I miss manuals. They were cool.
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Jimlit posted:I have a mental block about playing turn based yakuza games. I love JRPG's but something about a turn based yakuza game is incredibly off putting to me. I just cant get over it. I think turn based menu RPG combat to be the second lowest form of videogame activity, just barely above first person shooter. Even so, Yakuzaness got me through it in 7 and the hybrid stuff has me excited to get to 8 eventually. Functionally it's not that different from normal Yakuza games, just mash way fewer buttons per combat unless you use spammy moves.
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my least favorite video game activity is third person hack and slash. like devil may cry or god of war or, yes, the souls games to a lesser extent. it puts me to sleep and your inputs feel really disconnected from what is happening. oops i accidentally pressed the a button twice so now i have to sit here while my dude is locked into doing a four second combo at the air
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i have encountered people who hate top down style games far far far more than any other genre both irl and online
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Pornography should play a tutorial video first
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