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thechosenone posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v61dgvN81n0& i posted that in the de-dollarization thread along with a bloomberg article: crepeface posted:The digital yuan challenge to US dollar dominance in $7 trillion of daily FX flows is dashing ahead thanks to blockchain-enabled mBridge project (August 10, 2023) i assume financial capital is trying to worm its way into the formation of any global institutions to subvert it crepeface has issued a correction as of 11:47 on Feb 21, 2024 |
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crepeface posted:i posted that in the de-dollarization thread along with a bloomberg article: That would be a very devious plan for them to enact. Shame it seems they are unwilling to actually redevelop their industry or military or economy in general to gear up to do so in any meaningful way. Like yes I suppose if everyone hands them the key there they are, but given the general movement seems to be of them losing power in one nation after another in terms of hard power and also soft power as dedollarization proceeds, and the fact that even if they invest in something it's never going to be the same as when they were actually holding the purse strings, I don't think their efforts can do much unless they intend to offramp by just letting BRICS associated countries redevelop the west in an ironic inverse of colonialism. EDIT: Also yeah I am almost certain I got it from you then if I didn't see it in someone's repost.
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Feb 21, 2024 11:58
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crepeface posted:i assume financial capital is trying to worm its way into the formation of any global institutions to subvert it yes it’s mentioned frequently that us institutions are resisting cbdcs because it explicitly undermines the avarice of private banks
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Feb 21, 2024 16:06
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Then I can only hope they are cut off from as much of it as possible. Honestly at this point if it would stop them from being able to ignore as much I can't see it doing anything but helping, because at this point it seems like they're creating hell on earth with infinite money, so anything that stymies that means they at least have to put effort into it (a thing they seem notoriously unable to do). EDIT: As it is, if US institutions resist it but it successfully spreads it will actually hasten the dedollarization, as they will end up cutting themselves off from large amounts of investment opportunities if they refuse to do business with them.
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Feb 21, 2024 18:18
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dead gay comedy forums posted:*Engels turns to Marx* -- Stirner, replying in letter to you Gorbachev, when the walls fell
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Feb 21, 2024 19:46
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Dreylad posted:Gorbachev, when the walls fell Gorbachev, endoring Pizza Hut
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Feb 22, 2024 15:32
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Dreylad posted:Gorbachev, when the walls fell
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Feb 22, 2024 15:33
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dead gay comedy forums posted:*Engels turns to Marx* -- Stirner, replying in letter to you Dreylad posted:Gorbachev, when the walls fell
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Feb 22, 2024 16:41
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gradenko_2000 posted:to be absolutely clear, if neoclassical economics's model requires that there is an overlord to constantly redistribute wealth in order for the supply-and-demand model to work, then the model doesn't work, because not only does such an overlord not exist, but the existence of such would preclude capitalism as an economic system in the first place. just have a command economy, bro I no longer have issues with Marxs theory. I don't generally feel resolved, but that's on me. Supply and demand rather clearly don't require an overlord to function in reality. Command economies have flaws in reality. I couldn't clearly identify where the US even sits in reality between them. I think I'm just back to people is people, all the way up. And it's both the problem and incredible.
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Feb 22, 2024 18:17
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BillsPhoenix posted:Supply and demand rather clearly don't require an overlord to function in reality. Command economies have flaws in reality. market economies do require an overlord to function. they require a state apparatus to enforce class supremacy, they require an extensive police force, they require counterinsurgency and COINTEL programs and constant enforcement of a specific set of endowments, procedures, financial institutions, and more. seriously, pause from reciting fables and spend even five minutes studying what monetary authorities do all day. every flaw identifiable in a command economy already exists in market economies, both at the firm and state level. there is no problem that is only computable by distributed, decentralized computers that could not also be performed by a single universal computer. quantity signals underlie price signals and they're equally usable in a planned as an unplanned economy. hell, that's a misnomer in the first place; it'd be more accurate to describe the two cases as bourgeois-planned vs proletarian-planned, or something to that extent — e.g., the persistence of homelessness, that's a policy choice that is consciously renewed by our designated planners regularly. the "flaw" I suspect you're describing pertains more to the flow of information & feedbacks from plan to application and back, and institutional flexibility. to make this hopefully clearer: consider how all the USSR-inspired "flaws" you've identified apply to contemporary China. you're a good century or so behind the conversation, bill. catch up!
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Feb 22, 2024 19:24
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BillsPhoenix posted:Supply and demand rather clearly don't require an overlord to function in reality. This is incredibly wrong, and stating it the way you do shows you're making an assumption about how things work based on previous education and bias rather than looking at objective data.
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Feb 22, 2024 19:32
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supply and demand only seems to function properly when trading commodities with zero use-value. i assume that its a principle invented solely for convincing commodity traders that they arent getting ripped off, or explaining to workers that the surplus value they generate is actually hiding somewhere in arbitrage and not being funnelled into the boss’s pockets
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Feb 22, 2024 19:44
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm not looking to debate further. I don't share some of the same beliefs as others here, and I'm ok with that. I appreciated the discussion, and have changed my mind about Marxist theory. We're never going to align on our differing interpretations of reality.
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Feb 22, 2024 19:59
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World's calmest flat earther bowing out of an astronomy conference with "agree to disagree, i guess"
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Feb 22, 2024 20:01
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BillsPhoenix posted:We're never going to align on our differing interpretations of reality. BillsPhoenix posted:but that's on me. but if you choose the latter, please don't post around here anymore!
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Feb 22, 2024 20:13
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Thomas Friedman, with arms folded
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Feb 22, 2024 20:24
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Aeolius posted:i wasn't looking to debate further either; i'm giving you some topics that you might elect to learn more about, if you're a conscious being with even a vague sense of curiosity about the world you inhabit. or you could choose not to. Nah I prefer to stay ignorant me. Just downing those blue pills by the dozens. I am an economy major and very smart.
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Feb 22, 2024 20:41
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I don't believe in objective economic data. It does not exist. With immense effort, on extremely narrow topics, decent confidence interval can be derived. Sometimes. I'm not ever going to be able to prove something to someone that believes only capitalism suffers from incentived behaviors that drive inaccurate economic data. It's kinda like how the MAGA argument 'prove me wrong goes'. The insults reinforce the comparison. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 22, 2024 20:58
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You're just posting words dude you're not engaging with anything.
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Feb 22, 2024 21:13
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Orange Devil posted:You're just posting words dude you're not engaging with anything.
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Feb 22, 2024 21:14
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your a moron e: beaten
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Feb 22, 2024 21:15
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Imagine having this guy in a reading group
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Feb 22, 2024 21:22
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BillsPhoenix posted:I don't believe in objective economic data. It does not exist. With immense effort, on extremely narrow topics, decent confidence interval can be derived. Sometimes. 
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Feb 22, 2024 21:25
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BillsPhoenix posted:I don't believe in objective economic data. It does not exist. With immense effort, on extremely narrow topics, decent confidence interval can be derived. Sometimes. I cannot wait to see how this prevalent idiotic-as-gently caress worldview handles the coming century of human history. having met dumbasses like this in real life they are all, to a man, adequately competent at one thing and stupid as gently caress everywhere else, in ways easily demonstrated that have to be consciously ignored through will and or deep ignorance, just like BP lol somehow, they have concluded that due to their mediocre talent and middling skill in one area, they're loving supergeniuses about everything else! all cognitive dissonance of their own worldviews slides away across the frictionless surfaces of their minds. as if their very disconnect from their own humanity/how they view themselves apart-from instead of a-part-of the world is a virtue or some poo poo instead of avoidable blindness; as if they are noble for choosing to stay inside the cave with their shadows with BP's posts, it's very funny (in an annoying as gently caress way) to encounter even the facsimile of someone who obviously lives as if self-delusion a vital survival skill far more useful than trying to do something worthwhile, or even considering what "worthwhile" or "objective" or "truthful" or "authentic" means, or at least fundamentally feeling the difference on a reflexive level without having to consciously justify it, just... goddamn, a bit or not, shitheads like BP do exist, and how unlucky for them but also how extremely unlucky for the rest of us, since they either need a lot of help or are irredeemable pieces of poo poo that otherwise need to be kept away from things they can gently caress up until such time that they can demonstrate basic awareness and respect of other people, if ever depending on the individual. yet again I find myself wishing I was better read to know if Marx or Lenin or Mao or Deng or someone wrote on this, especially given how Stalin's approach could broadly be considered, uh, one way to do it. Mechafunkzilla posted:Imagine having this guy in a reading group i would genuinely question my opinion of whoever brought them; imagine living with them
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Feb 22, 2024 21:44
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crepeface posted:does anyone have a concise summary of luxemburg's criticisms of the USSR? this is a funny concept to me bc the soviet government basically didn't exist by the time Rosa was killed. it was a series of wartime revolutionary councils that wouldn't really form a stable centralized government for several more years
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Feb 22, 2024 21:45
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if market economies were more efficient, why wouldn't firms with internal markets outcompete and be more common than ones that run as command economies, instead of the reverse, as we observe? this isn't necessarily a rhetorical question, i assume the capitalist priesthood has some answer to it and i'm interested to hear about them.
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Feb 22, 2024 21:48
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ty Homeless Friend for doing the needful
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Feb 22, 2024 21:58
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BillsPhoenix posted:I don't believe in objective economic data. It does not exist. With immense effort, on extremely narrow topics, decent confidence interval can be derived. Sometimes. i love the reactionary tendency to dismiss entire aspects of reality with “i dont believe in it” as though thats an acceptable excuse. i simply dont believe in entropy. its a matter of opinion whether or not vaccines cause autism. you can lose weight without restricting calories.
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Feb 22, 2024 22:01
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mycomancy posted:This is incredibly wrong, and stating it the way you do shows you're making an assumption about how things work based on previous education and bias rather than looking at objective data. Gramsci’s explanation of class dominance being presented as common sense is hard to explain to people, so it’s nice to have an example. scary ghost dog posted:i love the reactionary tendency to dismiss entire aspects of reality with “i dont believe in it” as though thats an acceptable excuse. i simply dont believe in entropy. its a matter of opinion whether or not vaccines cause autism. you can lose weight without restricting calories. Also this. Presenting how the material world works as “matters of opinion” is another aspect of liberal hegemony.
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Feb 22, 2024 22:01
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BillsPhoenix posted:Supply and demand rather clearly don't require an overlord to function in reality. Command economies have flaws in reality. I couldn't clearly identify where the US even sits in reality between them. lmfao @ D&D brained ppl arguing with this guy
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Feb 22, 2024 22:03
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Tempora Mutantur posted:I cannot wait to see how this prevalent idiotic-as-gently caress worldview handles the coming century of human history. having met dumbasses like this in real life they are all, to a man, adequately competent at one thing and stupid as gently caress everywhere else, in ways easily demonstrated that have to be consciously ignored through will and or deep ignorance, just like BP lol I would add that it has to be a mediocre skill they’re well remunerated for. There’s so much loving Max Weber poo poo tied up in it, but the gist is that “I do thing that pays well” equals “I understand the economy/politics/philosophy/whatever”. They do have one universal value they believe signals everything, and it’s money. The more money you make the smarter you must be in a general sense. This is at the route of loving petty boug general contractors berating their starving student children over their ignorant views. “Oh yeah? If you’re so loving smart why do I have more money (the thing that signals my inherent worth as a person)  ”The only exceptions I’ve run into are like stage actors I know who were poor as gently caress for years, and (as a result?) don’t think finally getting cast in something means they are universally brilliant, but that’s a small sample size. I don’t know many other well paid people in creative fields, so I’m open to thread feedback on that. I would guess bc it’s a skill (or three, for people who made it to the Mirvish) that they’ve developed for years, in Canada often have BFAs and MFAs in, but there was no payday associated with it for a long time while they ground it out teaching, in the ensemble, understudying.
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Feb 22, 2024 22:09
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BillsPhoenix posted:I think I'm just back to people is people, all the way up. And it's both the problem and incredible. lmao
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Feb 22, 2024 22:14
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Understanding the effects of capitalism as human nature reveals a stunning ignorance of history, but it fits with that hegemonic common sense.
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Feb 22, 2024 22:16
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It's both the problem and incredible
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Feb 22, 2024 22:25
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btw billsphoenix: you do not understand the basics of general mainstream economics, nor neoclassical, nor behavioral, nor heterodox and much less political economy. You do not have the knowledge and skill that you think that you do have. Different professors -- across the ideological spectrum -- that I had during my days as an extremely idiot student would have failed you if you put some of the stuff you wrote here in an actual examination. DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Jesus! That’s a one-two punch. He was difficult to deal with because once he had an interpretation, he felt that all others were bad/wrong because, according to our colleague who suggested the diagnosis, minds like his are trying to play tetris with understanding reality -- blocks fitting into blocks neatly and it would be really super good for themto have no friction. Depending on the severity, they reaaaaally want to be blocks fitting nicely, which might lead to warping their perception and means of interpretation. The dyslexia here was a more profound impairment of language: figurative language is an "imperfect" piece to create understanding, which as such, it doesn't connect to them because it doesn't get to be seen in a broader perspective that actually leads to knowledge and realizing things. with that said BillsPhoenix posted:We're never going to align on our differing interpretations of reality. Especially if all you are looking to do is to validate what you think it's best and which theory sounds more pleasant to you to justify your interpretation to yourself. Kinda important for the benefit of the general audience: if you were being this obnoxious in favor of Marxism or w/e, like going full dogmatic here, you would get piled upon anyway.
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Feb 22, 2024 22:42
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Rodney The Yam II posted:It's both the problem and incredible new forum title
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Feb 22, 2024 22:45
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aligning differing interpretations of reality is literally the dialectic, is it not? Also thanks for the explainer of dyslexia-autism and holy smoke that’s a hell of a condition to have (or work with).
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Feb 22, 2024 22:49
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crepeface posted:does anyone have a concise summary of luxemburg's criticisms of the USSR? she was a strong supporter of the revolution who was critical of certain specific decisions made by the bolsheviks (not the soviet government, which didn't exist) in a way that wasn't any more negative than the actual debates inside the party. she thought encouraging peasants to immediately seize agricultural land as their own was a mistake because it would have been better to immediately turn large and medium farms over to state control, because what she saw happening was the creation of a new class of land owning semi-wealthy peasant that would be opposed to further socialist reorganization, and that in practice already well to do peasants or village strongmen would appropriate more or better land than others. she was strongly opposed to lenin's position on the "self-determination of nationalities" and thought it was a mistake to give space to form what turned out to be a bunch of reactionary ethno-states instead of establishing Communist government before raising the question of how integrated the governments of various language/ethnic zones would be. At one point she thought it was a mistake to dissolve the parliamentary structures, but there's some indication she may have changed her mind on that one before she was killed. And she had a series of complex criticisms of the way Lenin and Trotsky conceptualized the dictatorship of the proletariat as being opposed to liberal democracy, and more or less argued that they threw out the baby with the bathwater by establishing strict controls over freedom of speech, assembly, the press, suffrage, etc. But her criticism is not, as it's sometimes misrepresented by liberals, that they needed to like, incorporate some bourgeois democracy as a treat, but that it was vital for the mass of the people to be politically educated and participating directly in some form, which wasn't possible if there weren't any avenues for that. It takes less than an hour to read her unpublished thoughts on the revolution if you have a little time https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1918/russian-revolution/
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DeimosRising posted:she was strongly opposed to lenin's position on the "self-determination of nationalities" and thought it was a mistake to give space to form what turned out to be a bunch of reactionary ethno-states instead of establishing Communist government before raising the question of how integrated the governments of various language/ethnic zones would be. Maybe someone should have written that down and paid heed.
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oh look captain papist of the royal army of rapists has an opinion on national self determination
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