WWE/Vince McMahon Sex Trafficking Allegations (CW: Sexual Assault, etc.)

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coconono: Aug 11, 2004; KISS ME KRIS

I wanna say some other wrestlers claimed Pat Patterson got handsy with them too but I'd have to go back and re-listen to podcasts

# ? Feb 20, 2024 17:48

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civilwhat: Apr 24, 2010

Ganso Bomb posted:

Who is the unnamed partner he's talking about in the first story? All I can remember as far as tag team partners from his WWE days are Hercules and Jim Powers, but he specifically mentions the guy died from a brain bleed. I was pretty sure Hercules died from a heart attack/heart issue?

I'm never sure of how much to believe from some of the old-timers who come out to talk about this stuff when stories get picked up, especially when their stories are so non-specific. I guess it's just the carny nature of the 70s/80s/into the 90s that I sometimes have a hard time trusting.

If wikipedia is right he had a very short tag team with S.D. Jones who did die of brain bleeding after having a stroke.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 17:50

Ganso Bomb: Oct 24, 2005; turn it all around

civilwhat posted:

If wikipedia is right he had a very short tag team with S.D. Jones who did die of brain bleeding after having a stroke.

Ah, I didn�t know that. One of my favorite LJN figures as a kid. Thanks for the info!

# ? Feb 20, 2024 18:12

CombineThresher: Apr 10, 2006; GIT R DONNE

coconono posted:

I wanna say some other wrestlers claimed Pat Patterson got handsy with them too but I'd have to go back and re-listen to podcasts

Pat was pretty notorious for groping guys during matches back in the day.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 18:16

Armitage: Aug 16, 2005; "Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."

civilwhat posted:

If wikipedia is right he had a very short tag team with S.D. Jones who did die of brain bleeding after having a stroke.

This could also refer to a jobber named Jerry Allen, who wrestled around that time and was in the Paul Roma/Jim Powers tier of jobber (good looking babyface, great build, lacking something to get beyond that tier). He passed away in a similar manner shortly after his career ended but I don�t recall him teaming with Roma.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 19:09

TheKingslayer: Sep 3, 2008

coconono posted:

I wanna say some other wrestlers claimed Pat Patterson got handsy with them too but I'd have to go back and re-listen to podcasts

I have a vague memory of Piper claiming Patterson groped him.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 19:18

keithy george: Jan 8, 2008

The Piper shoot has an infamous clip of Piper taking about� something with Patterson. There�s a top comment on it saying that Piper withdrew all allegations, but others would say that this was a requirement for him to come back into WWE. Would appreciate anyone who knows what they�re talking about fill in the details here.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 19:31

ARMBAR A COP: Nov 24, 2007

TheKingslayer posted:

I have a vague memory of Piper claiming Patterson groped him.

https://x.com/aaronwrotkowski/status/1759926083917349130?s=46

# ? Feb 20, 2024 19:33

Literally A Person: Jan 1, 1970; Smugworth Wuz Here

Okay well that was p loving sad to watch.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 19:41

Shinjobi: Jul 10, 2008; Gravy Boat 2k

Jesus christ

# ? Feb 20, 2024 19:46

ARMBAR A COP: Nov 24, 2007

All of this has been out there for YEARS, but no one gives a poo poo about wrestling so it always get swept under the rug.

gently caress it�s just brutal.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 19:47

sleep with the vicious: Apr 2, 2010

From the F4w board, Here's Jim Powers and Roma commenting on the Patterson stuff on a shoot in 2014:

https://youtu.be/pYeXB289OJc?si=iFrOtn32vlPwtvc7

There is probably a lot of this kind of material on the "open secrets" in WWE that are in the mid-00s shoots

# ? Feb 20, 2024 19:53

Shard: Jul 30, 2005

I remember reading the scummiest stories thread in here way back when. Like the mid to late aughts and a lot of the stories in that thread are the same kind of things that are getting a lot of attention these days. Lots of abuse, sexual misconduct that kind of thing.

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davidbix: Jun 14, 2016; Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

MassRafTer posted:

He blocked me for it.

Yup, he just left that one there:
https://twitter.com/mongo_ebooks/status/1364660758727045132

# ? Feb 20, 2024 20:39

Mr E: Sep 18, 2007

ARMBAR A COP posted:

https://x.com/aaronwrotkowski/status/1759926083917349130?s=46

"Probably my fault" jesus christ, how awful.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 20:43

Pope Corky the IX: Dec 18, 2006; What are you looking at?

Pretty sure Legends House with Piper and Pat living together happened after that interview. loving horrifying.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 21:48

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL: Feb 21, 2006; Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Men are still shamed now for speaking out about sexual abuse (ie Terry Crews) but reaching back into the time periods we�re talking about there was essentially zero support unless you had a supportive community that was likely extremely insular and secretive. I hate all this so much! Men and mascs need to be heard and believed, everyone needs to push back against the toxic, disgusting people protecting a broken system.

# ? Feb 20, 2024 22:40

Literally A Person: Jan 1, 1970; Smugworth Wuz Here

It's certainly cray to think about a timeline where these structural problems with wrasslin' were addressed in the 70's/early 80's instead of being left to fester so long they became loving Vince McMahon basically openly human trafficking a woman (women?).

# ? Feb 20, 2024 22:58

Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

https://x.com/trevordame/status/1759879105451868284

# ? Feb 21, 2024 00:57

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

Piper being the one who (it sounds like) threatened Vince and got Jim Powers a job after he turned down Pat�s propositions makes more sense if you put it all together between Paul, Jim, and what Piper was willing to say.

e: Just going through related videos, poo poo, someone 6 months ago threw together a whole 10 minute supercut of shoot videos of people talking about Pat rumors, so you get the Jim Powers stuff from a bunch of different angles. You keep hearing the part about Jim regretting not taking Pat up on it for the sake of his career, Jesus Christ.

https://youtu.be/fxb2dTQ-DYA?si=NnWLDs992-kRwjwv

Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Feb 21, 2024

# ? Feb 21, 2024 06:37

Hedgehog Pie: May 19, 2012; Total fuckin' silence.

I think Patterson in particular will be very difficult for lots of people to talk about for two big reasons. The first is that I don't doubt he faced a hell of a lot of homophobic abuse throughout his career, and for many years it's been normal to conflate that with the rumours about him merely being exaggerations borne out of prejudice. I throw my hands up completely and admit that I bought into that. The second is that, unlike a lot of Vince's cronies, he was actually considered to be somewhat decent at his job, in that he was able to put together top-quality (WWF-style) wrestling matches, so he's often singled out by wrestlers as having a positive impact on many careers. People probably don't feel so indebted to or protective of those who were generally incompetent throughout their time with WWE, ie Laurinaitis.

That said, he absolutely was part of Vince's inner circle for many years, and as such should be treated with the utmost suspicion. I also think it will be tempting to "rank" his crimes alongside those of Phillips, Garvin, etc. which we should try to avoid for the most part: every accusation should be treated seriously and someone should have to answer for it, even though/because the man himself is no longer with us. This isn't so much aimed at this forum, just the wider world of wrestling. I'm not sure anyone will hear me though.

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Kosmo Gallion: Sep 13, 2013

I think Jason Sensation made some allegations that a high up level WWF guy tried to coerce him into perform a sex act on him years ago.

Jason Sensation posted:

Former WWE Impersonator Jason Sensation Shoots On WWE, Kevin Kelly, Kevin Thorn

Sent In By "The Shoot"

Jason Sensation appeared on the August 24th edition of The Shoot. He came on to discuss his career and share some impersonations. Host Gary Cantrell welcomes him to the show and asks him how he got into doing voices. He explains that he and his family grew up on a farm in Canada, and they didn't have much options of anything to do. Jason talks about how he and his brother having wrestling matches in the backyard and doing the post match promos. He mentioned that Macho Man was one of the first voices that he had ever done, and his parents would talk him into doing the voice at parties. Gary asked how he became a wrestling fan. Jason said "I don't have a first memory of it, it's just a feeling of it always been there".

Gary and Jason begin discussing his first night meeting Owen Hart and Davey Boy Smith in Ottawa. He talks about how he did the voices in front of them. (In Owen's voice)"I'm a Slammy Award winner, and Bret you'll never be as good as me" he tells Owen. Owen tells him, "You can't do Bulldog". In Davey Boy's voice, "C'mon British Bulldog, have a bite of my dog food". Jason says they were both laughing hysterically. He said that Owen brought him backstage to meet with WWE's Canadian President Carl DeMarco whom he did voices for. After the meeting he explained how he'd go anywhere a camera was at for attention to attempt to get into the WWE. He also sent numerous videos to Carl and continued to not get any responses.

He talks about his first gig for WWE which was selling merchandise on the Canadian Home Shopping Network. He mentioned that not too long after he got another call from Carl who informed him that Vince McMahon was going to be at TSN's Off the Record to discuss Bret Hart and the Montreal Screw Job. He was then introduced to McMahon during the commercial breaks. Jason did impersonations of both Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon. Vince laughed hard and said "We gotta get you on TV kid". It wasn't until 98 that Jason got a call from DeMarco to appear in Boston for WrestleMania 14 weekend. He then talks of a meeting he was involved in with Vince McMahon, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chyna, Steve Austin, and Mike Tyson. He gives Tyson credit for getting him the job after laughing uncontrollably over a Steve Austin impersonation. He says Mike Tyson put him over big time in that meeting.

Jason goes on discussing his first few skits on RAW, but says that the story between him and Owen was dropped after he got stopped at the border. He didn't have a green card, and he had been crossing illegally all that time. The week after he got beat up by Owen, he wasn't able to make it to the next RAW due to being stopped at the border. Once WWE realized that they couldn't get him, they rushed a contract to him. He said that he signed a 3 yr deal, and spent most of it at home collecting a check. He noted that he sent several script ideas to Russo and it went to no reply. During the last 6 months of his contract he was sent to Memphis, TN to train as a heel manager for a future main roster spot. He said Memphis was run wrong and all the wrong guys were in charge. He said that the main trainer was Terry Golden and said "He was one of the dirtiest guys in the business". He said they went through a lot of wrestlers down there.

He then began to shoot on Kevin Kelly. He said that Kelly put him through a lot of hell in Memphis. "Kevin Kelly was Bullsh*t" says Sensation. He said there was talk of him doing the Slam Jams for the WWF and said that was Kelly's job at the time. He said at that point Kelly began to bury him to the office and reduced him to the job of a ring announcer. He said that Kelly even ridiculed him at position, and didn't want him to get over in any way. "He (Kevin Kelly) made my life a living hell".

He talked about having a rib pulled on him by Kevin Fertig (ECW's Kevin Thorn). He said that he pulled a rib on Fertig and was choked and thrown through a wall for his efforts. He called to file a complaint and Bruce Pritchard told him that "You were lucky that it wasn't Steve Blackman or The Undertaker, because they might have not stopped" He also brought up an instance of Fertig sexually assaulting him in a hotel. "He ripped my clothes off, he ripped my underwear off, and I was like what's this guy doing to me?" He then plugs the book that he's putting out titled "Raped in Wrestling". He mentioned that wasn't the only occurrence of sexual assault. He tells the story of his first weekend in Boston. He was invited up to a Road Agent's (whom he left nameless) hotel room with another wrestler to smoke Marijuana. After finishing the Marijuana, the agent began to grab him and pull him closer to molest him. He said the wrestler in the room was almost like he was standing there as a guard. He mentioned that he tried to squirm and get away and the agent said "Buddy if you don't this, you'll never gonna get into this business if you don't fu*k somebody". Jason said "It was the sickest moment in my life", he went on to say that another wrestler came to the door and it was his out and he left. He made a complaint to management and said that telling just worked against him. He said he wouldn't be surprised if things like that were still going on to this day.

Jason said the reason why he's waited so long to come out was that he was actually hoping for things to change and to possibly be rehired by WWE. He said after the death of his mother he realized that he would never be rehired and that he was ready to come out and speak. He said that to this day he still emails Jim Ross for a reason to his dismissal. He said he was going to tell all in his new book. He said that in that in WWE the good was good, but the bad was very bad. When asked for an example, he shared the story of a young wrestler by the name of Russ Haas. He talked about how Russ and his brother, current WWE wrestler Charlie Haas were in developmental prepping for a call up to the main roster. Jason said every single time they would come back from a dark match from TVs, Russ Haas was so depressed because "Quote Jim Ross and Quote Bruce Prichard" kept telling Russ: You guys are ready to go, you guys will be on tv but Russ you got to get bigger, Russ you got to get bigger, sorry Russ you got to get bigger." Russ finally gave in and began taking steroids and it was one occasion in which there was air in the needle and it got to his heart and killed him.

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Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

Kevin Kelly is a qanon guy so that all checks out

# ? Feb 21, 2024 15:45

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

I used to take a lot of these accusations with a grain of salt because it's really easy for it to all sound very Gay Panic when some dude is talking about a gay man hitting on him out of nowhere

that was pretty stupid and flippant to throw at a whole group of men who were accusing other men who were in a position of power over them, which is a different scenario than the usual homophobic dynamic of dudes who are just paranoid about random gay men in the same spaces as them

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:17

Hedgehog Pie: May 19, 2012; Total fuckin' silence.

With that claim about Kevin Fertig in mind, I have to wonder about the implications it has for his career trajectory. He was bought in with a fair amount of hype as Mordecai after having been in developmental for a couple of years, had a PPV match with Bob Holly which is only notable for Holly apparently completely sandbagging him, and sent back down to OVW after only a couple of months on the main roster. He was then given a second chance with the vampire gimmick in ECW a few years later, doing nothing of note until being sent to developmental again and then getting released. He did so little that I'd never heard these sorts of allegations; did anything else ever come out about him?

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yea ok: Jul 27, 2006

https://twitter.com/TorchMcMahon/status/1760326411632410696

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:42

yea ok: Jul 27, 2006

https://twitter.com/TorchMcMahon/status/1760326612145377435

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the sex ghost: Sep 6, 2009

Lmao

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Sydney Bottocks: Oct 15, 2004

Good God, Vince really did a loving number on Cena's head, didn't he

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:45

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Are those from the interview last year or was Cena dumb enough to do a second interview with all the new allegations out and still going on about how he loves Vince?

Edit: oh from today on Stern. Dumb as gently caress John

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:46

Pylons: Mar 16, 2009

Gumball Gumption posted:

Are those from the interview last year or was Cena dumb enough to do a second interview with all the new allegations out and still going on about how he loves Vince?

He was just on the Howard Stern show so presumably those are from just now.

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Pylons: Mar 16, 2009

https://x.com/WrestlePurists/status/1760330233096368532?s=20

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Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

yea ok posted:

https://twitter.com/TorchMcMahon/status/1760326612145377435

Follow up question Mr Cena, how big do you think the dildo Vince named after you was?

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:51

Gavok: Oct 10, 2005; Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?

The scenes of Peacemaker defending his father hit really different.

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:52

Shard: Jul 30, 2005

Jesus John he doesn't deserve that kind of love. He's a monster who degrades people and makes their lives living nightmares. Apparently John says that's a-ok in his book.

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:52

Sydney Bottocks: Oct 15, 2004

If Cena going on and on about how he "loves" Vince isn't proof that Vince ran WWE like a cult leader, then I dunno what is

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:55

Drakkel: May 6, 2007; IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!

Pylons posted:

https://x.com/WrestlePurists/status/1760330233096368532?s=20

Strong words from the guy who would walk around backstage with his dick out and and his hand on said dick and would then make people shake his hand that was just touching said dick without their consent

# ? Feb 21, 2024 16:56

Erin M. Fiasco: Mar 21, 2013; Nothing's better than postin' in the morning!

Sydney Bottocks posted:

If Cena going on and on about how he "loves" Vince isn't proof that Vince ran WWE like a cult leader, then I dunno what is

This is the one very slim concession I'm willing to give these responses. I've witnessed this firsthand in wrestling. They're still bad responses but WWE as a form of cult that you need deprogramming from is something to keep in mind and it's something I doubt the media is ready to tackle even though it should.

The less charitable read is that Cena was directly involved or somehow thinks everything is bullshit, neither of which is a good look.

# ? Feb 21, 2024 17:02

Erin M. Fiasco: Mar 21, 2013; Nothing's better than postin' in the morning!

Drakkel posted:

Strong words from the guy who would walk around backstage with his dick out and and his hand on said dick and would then make people shake his hand that was just touching said dick without their consent

Mr. poo poo-In-Your-Bag himself!

# ? Feb 21, 2024 17:02

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 17:49

Shard: Jul 30, 2005

Cena seems like a good person who likes to help children and he's def a hard worker. But so far his track record on believing victims is very very bad.

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