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Nobody knows, that's the beauty of modern journalism.
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DR FRASIER KRANG posted:so did she hit the pole or what Even odds given the current state of infrastructure
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something I was idly wondering about earlier today was, if we grant that the internal combustion engine was necessary for overland travel and transportation to be "efficient" enough to competitive with maritime transport (and boats still pull ahead in certain contexts), have modern materials and manufacturing techniques helped close the gap with muscle power? Could you design a horse cart today that was so much lighter and/or could carry so much more, that it would be feasible to use it as a means of transportation?
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One time I was just sitting in my parked car by the side of the road and a utility pole toppled over and killed me.
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gradenko_2000 posted:something I was idly wondering about earlier today was, if we grant that the internal combustion engine was necessary for overland travel and transportation to be "efficient" enough to competitive with maritime transport (and boats still pull ahead in certain contexts), have modern materials and manufacturing techniques helped close the gap with muscle power? Could you design a horse cart today that was so much lighter and/or could carry so much more, that it would be feasible to use it as a means of transportation? https://video.wttw.com/video/web-extra-when-mules-ruled-canal-jueu63/
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Groda posted:Single speeds are carbrained as hell single speeds are great if you don't live in a hilly area. they are cheaper than geared bikes and easier to maintain
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Ensign Expendable posted:If your bike goes too slowly, the solution is to simply become stronger, not strip mine the global south for scraps of lithium. What an astoundingly bad take.
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now that i see a review article like this, it speaks volumes you don't constantly see studies like these.
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Rauros posted:now that i see a review article like this, it speaks volumes you don't constantly see studies like these. To put that 20mm-80mm death toll from cars since their inception into perspective, estimates for all war dead in the twentieth century (including civilian deaths) is 87mm.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:what's causality precious utility pole on haymaker road delivers a...uh...uhm...haymaker.
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Nitrousoxide posted:What an astoundingly bad take.  e-bikes are good. I know a few people that got into cycling-as-transport because of them. The batteries are infinitesimally tiny compared to electric cars. Personally, though, I'm much too cool and strong to rely on batteries. Fixed-gear in Seattle 4 lyfe.
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gradenko_2000 posted:something I was idly wondering about earlier today was, if we grant that the internal combustion engine was necessary for overland travel and transportation to be "efficient" enough to competitive with maritime transport (and boats still pull ahead in certain contexts), have modern materials and manufacturing techniques helped close the gap with muscle power? Could you design a horse cart today that was so much lighter and/or could carry so much more, that it would be feasible to use it as a means of transportation? something like this but with a horse and maybe on the ground: 
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can science build a horse that flys?
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:can science build a horse that flys? The Greeks had them. Just another thing lost to modernity
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Trabisnikof posted:something like this but with a horse and maybe on the ground: Actually, skip the horse. What about a rickshaw
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:what's causality precious lmao
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actionjackson posted:single speeds are great if you don't live in a hilly area. they are cheaper than geared bikes and easier to maintain i have a fuji feather just for exercise in the park. it feels great to climb moderate hills and tear around on flats with the single gear (not fixed) i would not want to commute on it but its really fun to ride for pleasure. only problem is the stock seat is a real ball and rear end buster. gotta upgrade to something better.
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actionjackson posted:single speeds are great if you don't live in a hilly area. they are cheaper than geared bikes and easier to maintain I live in famously flat Copenhagen, and I'm very happy about my gears for conditions such as wind and starting after stopping. Gears are great and not really that much work. Also we have some real mountains despite what all the out of towners say. But again, whatever gets you on a bike is good. Getting a cheap single speed and having fun or getting places is hecking cool.
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BonHair posted:Also we have some real mountains despite what all the out of towners say. Please elaborate.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Could you design a horse cart today that was so much lighter and/or could carry so much more, that it would be feasible to use it as a means of transportation? Even if it is, you would need roughly an acre (9 tons of hay a year, 3 tons hay per acre, 3 harvest cycles of alfalfa) of additional agricultural land per horse. That’s basically adding 33% to the existing farmland in the US if you planned to replace every car. Not sure which is worse for the environment. But the horse would add a bunch of smells and labor to their owners’ lives.
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Weembles posted:Please elaborate. Basically we have strong opinions about this hill, which everyone in Copenhagen knows is the highest and worst climb in the world, but everyone else see as a moderate short hill. https://maps.app.goo.gl/a2DBjU1weBBcd5V67 Also notice the bad bike infrastructure compared to the rest of the road.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Even if it is, you would need roughly an acre (9 tons of hay a year, 3 tons hay per acre, 3 harvest cycles of alfalfa) of additional agricultural land per horse. That’s basically adding 33% to the existing farmland in the US if you planned to replace every car. even in anti-car circles on the internet people really seem to think that everyone just had a horse prior to the automobile, which is pretty lol
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:even in anti-car circles on the internet people really seem to think that everyone just had a horse prior to the automobile, which is pretty lol well of course, that's what everyone in the movies does
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Even if it is, you would need roughly an acre (9 tons of hay a year, 3 tons hay per acre, 3 harvest cycles of alfalfa) of additional agricultural land per horse. That’s basically adding 33% to the existing farmland in the US if you planned to replace every car. horses alao bury everything in poo poo and clog the roads with dead horses
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BonHair posted:Basically we have strong opinions about this hill, which everyone in Copenhagen knows is the highest and worst climb in the world, but everyone else see as a moderate short hill.
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BonHair posted:Basically we have strong opinions about this hill, which everyone in Copenhagen knows is the highest and worst climb in the world, but everyone else see as a moderate short hill. Heh, more like Copin'hagen
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FirstnameLastname posted:horses alao bury everything in poo poo and clog the roads with dead horses i looked it up and in 1900 cities had about 1 horse to every 20-30 people and excrete an average of 22 pounds of manure a day. for modern day new york city that would be 3000 tons every single loving day
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lol here is a website where a guy talks about horse drawn wagon transport:https://www.wagonteamster.com/html/faqs.html i dont think any materials science is going to let you overcome stuff likequote:The horses weigh between 1650 and 1750 pounds apiece. A draft horse can pull a dead weight along the ground (draft) equal to 1/10 their body weight for 8 hours a day. quote:When working in the harness all day, each horse will eat about 10 - 15 pounds of grain and about 30 pounds of grass or hay a day. Note - as the mileage increases so does the amount of grain I feed. When pulling 100 miles a week, I feed 20 pounds of grain per horse each day. quote:Fully loaded the wagon weighs about 4000 pounds. About a third of that weight is supplies for the horses: hay, grain, and water. Horseshoes and nails alone, for three months of travel weigh about 100 pounds.
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lobster shirt posted:lol here is a website where a guy talks about horse drawn wagon transport:https://www.wagonteamster.com/html/faqs.html i dont think any materials science is going to let you overcome stuff like do NOT invest in the horse tech tree
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Even if it is, you would need roughly an acre (9 tons of hay a year, 3 tons hay per acre, 3 harvest cycles of alfalfa) of additional agricultural land per horse. That’s basically adding 33% to the existing farmland in the US if you planned to replace every car. 40% of the corn grown in america is turned into ethanol for gasoline lol so you're right, we could only support ~38,000,000 horses if we instead planted alfalfa on the same acreage lol
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BonHair posted:Basically we have strong opinions about this hill, which everyone in Copenhagen knows is the highest and worst climb in the world, but everyone else see as a moderate short hill. Oh yeah, totally. Every city has one like this. Here is ours, which might not be quite as bad as yours: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.946...1!1e4?entry=ttu Note the, uh, bad bike infrastructure
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Oh yeah, totally. Every city has one like this. Here is ours, which might not be quite as bad as yours: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.946...1!1e4?entry=ttu check it out https://maps.app.goo.gl/nRBfETkBVfb4kbcA6
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Bringing up hills to a yinzer is like talking about burritos in front of a californian. It's not a matter of whether they'll reply but how soon.
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I think this counts as check https://www.google.com/maps/@33.956...1!1e4?entry=ttu
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I think this counts as check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWXNvuCAxrU https://maps.app.goo.gl/GK5jc5xUuPBRSvrZ9
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something called the world history encyclopedia gives the cost ratio of transporting goods by sea, river, and overland at 1:5:28. there is a reason most long distance goods shipping was not done overland until the advent of rail and, later, big trucks. just not efficient to use muscle power.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWXNvuCAxrU gently caress!! It even has the cobbles.
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lobster shirt posted:lol here is a website where a guy talks about horse drawn wagon transport:https://www.wagonteamster.com/html/faqs.html i dont think any materials science is going to let you overcome stuff like if only the externalities of car ownership were as immediate and visceral as this we wouldn't be in the mess we're in lol
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