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Doltos posted:I don't think that mattered too much for the plot of the show but it did leave an empty feeling at the end. Nothing really got resolved other than closure on what happened to Annie K. The status quo was still the same To be fair, and I hated this season. That’s kind of the main theme of all the true detective seasons. The end of the first season is very much. Ok we got this one guy, but all the higher up people are still out there. They didn’t really solve anything.
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Yeah that's fair. I just don't think every season has to end nihilistically.
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Tender Bender posted:If Annie K figured it out why couldn't the cleaner posse? How is killing the scientists handling the problem of the mine poisoning the community? Keeping mum about it lets them to continue doing it. If you don't want to go to the police sure, but not saying anything to anybody - media, the community, whatever, about you discovering evidence that the mine was for sure poisoning the water makes zero sense. We're shown that they're desperate to shut the place down, regularly protesting and being assaulted. But now supposedly one of them discovers evidence that can actually do it, they decide to keep it to themselves? College Rockout fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that the cleaning crew knew anything about the pollution-mine connection. One of them just found the evil lair and the drill tip, and then another snuck a look at the casefile and decided that they'd all murdered Annie and were uninterested in motive.
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Solving one thing is progress towards a goal. You don't have to solve everything to win, you just have to make progress. That's like, literally the entire point of Rust's (shamelessly stolen) speech at the end of S1. Rust and Marty stopped one prolific serial killer from killing, that's a good thing. The cult itself might have escaped, but at least one high ranking member committed suicide or was murdered by his co-conspirators and the demented poison seed of the cult was killed when Rust took the top of his head off. That's a lot of people who won't be drugged and molested or murdered. Honestly, whether the cult even exists 17 years later is a matter of some opinion because it's possible the whole thing was based on one branch of the Tuttle family and they might have died out or just dispersed in the meantime. Of course, most of them will never pay for their sins, but at least some of them did. Similarly, killing the scientists is some progress towards shutting down the mine because the next batch of scientists may not be as willing to cover up the pollution reports from the mine. Also, realistically, it's about the best the indigenous lady hit squad could pull off because at the end of the day they're a bunch of cleaning ladies on a mission and not really a match for riot cops and professional thugs. If there was a real force protecting indigenous women from violence Ennis would probably not be the total poo poo hole that it is. Ithle01 fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Yeah, realistically the women being ineffective isn't a plot hole, it's just sad. What else are they gonnq do?Doltos posted:I don't think that mattered too much for the plot of the show but it did leave an empty feeling at the end. Nothing really got resolved other than closure on what happened to Annie K. The status quo was still the same. The mine got shut down, Danvers and Navarro achieved some level of peace and closure.
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I like how the plot was so dumb I was able to predict it incredibly early on. Anyway, I hope season five is even dumber.
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They should have had the surviving scientist say that vaping was like sucking off a robot for a season 2 callback we could all appreciate
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Bip Roberts posted:They should have had the surviving scientist say that vaping was like sucking off a robot for a season 2 callback we could all appreciate real missed opportunity to have Danvers catch Leah vaping and say the line
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Mordja posted:I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that the cleaning crew knew anything about the pollution-mine connection. One of them just found the evil lair and the drill tip, and then another snuck a look at the casefile and decided that they'd all murdered Annie and were uninterested in motive. Yeah, they didn't seem to have any idea about the pollution. Just followed a hunch on the star tool and pieced it together. Probably, correctly figured that you couldn't exactly keep a murder a secret in a little place like that so they figured they were all in on it. And as they said, if they were wrong then they figured god/nature would sort them out in the end and it was as close as they could get to any kind of justice  .Really needed to set the lab guys up as crazier though. There were the little hints and bits like the crazy notebook but it was too much of a footnote, especially after the opening scene made them just seem fun and normal. Probably just ghosts from old scripts or edits. In general could have skipped a lot of stuff and built up other stuff.
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And Annie K figured it out just from some scribbles on a scrap of paper. I went over my desk today and made sure I didn't have any scribbles on random pieces of paper documenting any major scandals at work. Two post its shredded, done. I also learned from this show to take phone photos of any drillbits I see. The scientist guys I think had a deleted scene where they argued about what to do with the body and started eating it, leaving lots of extra evidence which was confusing and ambiguous as the mystery was unfolding.
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Can't believe Danvers didn't notice that the science boys had carved E=mc^2 into Annie K's thigh.
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Bip Roberts posted:They should have had the surviving scientist say that vaping was like sucking off a robot for a season 2 callback we could all appreciate Danvers to her daughter: “Where are your LeBrons?”
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The one glimpse we get of their notebooks and whiteboards shows a bunch of crazy rambling poo poo from people who needed to get out more. They didn't feel bad about what they were doing and they weren't showing their research to anyone so I didn't think it'd be that weird that he'd write "Once Evil Chemical X hits level Y we can become gods and never sleep!" Also if I was searching a weird hidden room and saw a weird star drill I'd probably think of the big murder with the weird star weapon and go "huh." I also probably just wouldn't go down which is why I won't get a TV show. Messy as poo poo, but above average for a crime procedural if you're counting network ones. More of a slam on them, but eh. I went back to the neat list of shows on page 38 and will second that Deadloch hit a lot of similar themes in a much better way while also being a pretty funny (very) dark comedy. Solid mystery. If the one detective annoys you too much, it doesn't go on like that forever. Also some funny jokes specifically for people who watch a lot of small-town murder series. Mordja posted:Can't believe Danvers didn't notice that the science boys had carved E=mc^2 into Annie K's thigh. Fuckers figured out immortality AND energy?
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The Fenris Buhler's Day Off DVD wasn't just someone putting in the same messed up disc and annoying everyone until they had to walk all the way to the entertainment room and open the cabinet to turn it off. This was deep allegory because these guys finally got their day off from fighting over the porn share drive and having sick LAN tournaments at 10PM every drat night.
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They forgot to establish there were originally almost 20 fellas working at Tsalal, Annie K was far from their first murder rodeo.
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Fenris Bueller extremely appropriate typo for polar night and A++ username idea.
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covidstomper58 posted:The Fenris Buhler's Day Off DVD wasn't just someone putting in the same messed up disc and annoying everyone until they had to walk all the way to the entertainment room and open the cabinet to turn it off. DVDs are flat circles after all so that's where the time loop would start. Parakeet vs. Phone fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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GABA ghoul posted:They didn't handle it though. The murder of the scientists doesn't solve anything. The research data and the secret lab are safe and the company will just send over another couple of scientists and the poisoning of the community will continue. A) Maybe they didn't trust that some random indigenous folks with Pollution Papers would get much media help on the issue of mining pollution in a nowhere town north of the Arctic circle, on an issue that people will kill to protect. B) I'm sure it wasn't their plan, but the murders directly led to public attention that couldn't be ignored, resulting in the investigation and the eventual mine shutdown 
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The show spends time trying to tackle serious themes like class, systems of oppression, and modern colonialism. I respect the effort put into those elements, and the actors gave engaging performances. At the same time, the cartoonish progression of the mystery, terrible song choices, and forced callbacks to previous seasons made this a perplexing and occasionally unenjoyable viewing experience.
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Anonymously leaking evidence that will result in the mine closure is a privilege thing, that's why they had to wait until Danvers did it, which worked exactly as you would expect it to.
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Doltos posted:Yeah that's fair. I just don't think every season has to end nihilistically. Which seasons ended nihilistically besides maybe season 2?
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:DVDs are flat circles after all so that's where the time loop would start. My favorite flat circle is a clock
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counterfeitsaint posted:Anonymously leaking evidence that will result in the mine closure is a privilege thing, that's why they had to wait until Danvers did it, which worked exactly as you would expect it to. Well what Danvers leaked was one of the scientists confessing to everything, not some Pollution Documents. So yeah the women should have tied up one of the scientists and made him confess on tape. But they didn't do that (and if they did, people would complain "Why did they do that if they didn't know for sure if it would work?")
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Wasn't season 1 more like "all the powerful rich people are dead or old and irrelevant now, the cult is long gone, and the only person left to go after is the autistic groundskeeper"?
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Wasn't season 1 more like "all the powerful rich people are dead or old and irrelevant now, the cult is long gone, and the only person left to go after is the autistic groundskeeper"? no
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Well they should've flown on some eagles to wherever the powerful cult leaders were, frankly Edit - ya lol all the tuttles and cult members were dead and gone with just Errol left to play pretend GoGoGadgetChris fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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one of them is a senator and the cult had billy lee assassinated according to russ but ok
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I envy your imminent s1 rewatch. Go go!
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it's understandable to think the cult is still in operation, since there's this bit of dialogue: "tuttles, loving men in the video, we didn't get 'em all." "yeah and we ain't gonna get 'em all, that ain't the kind of world it is, but we got ours." there's also the thing where the final thought the show leaves with is "yes there is still an enormous amount of darkness but the light is winning" but yeah by the end of the season there just isn't really a cult anymore. errol was the last vestige of it. there are enormously powerful people who enabled it or were directly involved and will never be brought to justice, but the cult itself is basically gone.
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Toaster Beef posted:but yeah by the end of the season there just isn't really a cult anymore. errol was the last vestige of it. there are enormously powerful people who enabled it or were directly involved and will never be brought to justice, but the cult itself is basically gone. Apparently not, since they turned into a giant Umbrella Corp kind of thing.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Apparently not, since they turned into a giant Umbrella Corp kind of thing. it's canon
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https://twitter.com/Cam_Oflage/status/1760402122930327980?t=hw_4aqGpelvTdvqZJBNcug&s=19
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True Detective really was at the forefront of that period of time where everything had to Actually Be About Trauma.
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Isn't everything about trauma though?
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Cithen posted:Isn't everything about trauma though? It sure as gently caress is on the internet.
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Chairman Capone posted:True Detective really was at the forefront of that period of time where everything had to Actually Be About Trauma. Oh yeah, 'cos we're deeeeefinitely out of that morass. Anyway, just gonna go back to watching Found Family movie #2546.
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Cithen posted:Isn't everything about trauma though? Just those DS surgery games
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