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I mean I'd just use commuter sheds and freight flows. The data gives an idea of the economic ties and can be extrapolated into regions. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-07/u-s-megaregions-revealed-via-commuting-data
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Nobody in Europe will understand that, needs more bananas:
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i like driving past the banana boat on 495 in wilmington 
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Why does Delaware have so many goddamn bananas?
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Phlegmish posted:Mons and Namur: I've only been to each city a few times in my life, but I do agree that they're nice places to visit, especially Mons in a relative sense, since it's in (or immediately adjacent to, depending on your definition) the Borinage, one of the most economically depressed areas of Western Europe. I tend to prefer smaller, more provincial cities over the bigger, crowded ones, and it doesn't get much more provincial than those two. Thanks! That was a super detailed Belgian effort post, as you often do, ha. Liege sucks right now, maybe you haven’t been recently but like half the city has been exploded due to their tram construction, with every house and business along the line basically shuttered and decaying. Large parts literally look like a city just recently out of a civil war. But yeah maybe it was okay before, I’d never been before going this May. I was driving back and forth between CH and NL maybe 8 times a year the last four years - now done with that - and I was often doing an overnight stay somewhere along the way, so I’ve seen a lot of Wallonie, Luxembourg, and Alsace-Lorraine recently. I see why nowhere except Alsace actually gets foreign tourists (plus Luxembourg, for country-counters), but a lot of it was pretty nice, if not mind blowingly unique.
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The USDA estimates that approximately 166 million citizens, 55% of the population, live in a banana desert.
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Ror posted:The USDA estimates that approximately 166 million citizens, 55% of the population, live in a banana desert. Except the Delawareans, who apparently live like kings in lands swimming with corporate P.O. boxes, bananas, and scrapple.
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Delaware also has diners that are lies and are not diners. It is beyond the reach of civilization.
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Streets of credit card companies that are actually just unoccupied houses full of bananas. Banana plate trusts.
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Pesky rising sea levels? Dont worry, the Dutch have a solution (no, it is not going to be built. technically possible, financially impossible) edit: additional maps from the research paper: 
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Guavanaut posted:Streets of credit card companies that are actually just unoccupied houses full of bananas. Delaware is where the banks are headquartered. The credit card companies are all in South Dakota now.
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Guavanaut posted:Nobody in Europe will understand that, needs more bananas: I think I have the comprehensive tool for understanding Europe: 
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I couldn't figure out how to find the original version, but this belongs here. https://twitter.com/chisehatorichad/status/1760348740672421961
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drk posted:(no, it is not going to be built. technically possible, financially impossible)
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steinrokkan posted:I think I have the comprehensive tool for understanding Europe: im the gladio banana
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steinrokkan posted:I think I have the comprehensive tool for understanding Europe: The Slavs are going to be so mad you put them in the gay banana
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Guavanaut posted:That's the European Infrastructure Story. Should've let the Germans dam the med 
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mobby_6kl posted:Should've let the Germans dam the med 
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I probably learned it from this thread, but the fact that the Mediterranean was actually dry 5.5 million years ago and then was loving flooded still blows my mind.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I couldn't figure out how to find the original version, but this belongs here. This is genuinely terrible, but at least they pronounced the C in Cyprus correctly 
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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mobby_6kl posted:Should've let the Germans dam the med I like that they're apparently going to the bother of extending the suez canal despite the fact that since you built the giant loving walls everywhere the only place you can deliver to is southern italy and turkey. What happens to corinth if you drop the med 200m? The canal's gonna look loving stupid just a giant trench lmao. Put a road along the bottom and make the world's most impractical cut-and-fill motorway. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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OwlFancier posted:I like that they're apparently going to the bother of extending the suez canal despite the fact that since you built the giant loving walls everywhere the only place you can deliver to is southern italy and turkey. I like that they made allowances for Venice for some reason. Like someone pointed out that one city as something nice that would be lost and the designer was like "oh yeah, we'll save that one" while not caring at all about literally every other picturesque coastal city in the entire Mediterranean. I'd respect the plan more if they just told Venice to get hosed and drained it too.
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Also all the port infrastructure doesn't work because you moved the coast, so you have to rebuild all of that.
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BonHair posted:I probably learned it from this thread, but the fact that the Mediterranean was actually dry 5.5 million years ago and then was loving flooded still blows my mind. Several times! It's probable that the block-evaporate-flood cycle repeated a few times. The Zanclean was just the one that stuck. I got fascinated by the Messinian Salinity Crisis a while back and did some basic (probably wrong) calculations about what conditions at the floor of a dry Mediterranean Sink would be like, since the further below sea level you go the denser and hotter the atmosphere gets (adiabatic heating). I wound up with a figure of 80 degrees Celsius and ~1.5 atmospheres. Combine that with the salt evaporites that would make up the majority of the rock bed and "soil" for lack of a better word and you wind up with something that would be very close to Hell.
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mobby_6kl posted:Should've let the Germans dam the med I know that the history of this project is somewhat problematic, AND it would probably have loads of horrible consequences, BUT ... it seems kinda cool?
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Getting to draw the new borders in the Adriatic would be a lot of fun
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My favorite part of Atlantropa is the ridiculous canal just to keep Venice on life support. Because that is clearly reason enough to dig and maintain one of the longest canals in the world.
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It doesn't even need to be a canal, if the purpose is to shift water to venice so it looks like venice, you could just make a lake and bring the water in from somewhere else. It would probably be a lot easier to just build an aqueduct and make it fresh water rather than pumping it backwards up 200m of canal.
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distortion park posted:Getting to draw the new borders in the Adriatic would be a lot of fun 
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OwlFancier posted:It doesn't even need to be a canal, if the purpose is to shift water to venice so it looks like venice, you could just make a lake and bring the water in from somewhere else. It would probably be a lot easier to just build an aqueduct and make it fresh water rather than pumping it backwards up 200m of canal. But think of Venice's maritime economy! Which obviously will keep rocking as usual if we force every boat going in and out of the lagoon to go through 80 canal locks.
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There is art of Atlantropa for the Hearts of Iron mod where the nazis win. It looks cool until you remember oh oops this is hell world. The Gibraltar Dam 
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I looked up why there was a special solution for Venice thinking it was a situation like the (probably apocryphal) story of Stimson saving Kyoto from being bombed because of his visit there. There’s a master’s thesis about the plan that says that the proponent of the plan originally thought Venice was “fit for the lethal chamber” and only changed it when people complained enough.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Several times! It's probable that the block-evaporate-flood cycle repeated a few times. The Zanclean was just the one that stuck. At the deepest part, yeah, but for most of the sea floor it's gonna be "just" 65–70 degrees.
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Wouldn't Venice just become a normal inland city just like every other port town?
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SlothfulCobra posted:Wouldn't Venice just become a normal inland city just like every other port town? 
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Several times! It's probable that the block-evaporate-flood cycle repeated a few times. The Zanclean was just the one that stuck. wait, how loving deep would that be?!
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redleader posted:wait, how loving deep would that be?! The average depth is 1.5 km. Max depth is 5.1 km. For reference, the Qattara Depression, in Egypt, has an average elevation of -60 m and minimum elevation of -133 m, relative to sea level. I'm also quite curious how deep you need to go for conditions like that! What do the calculations look like?
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Vavrek posted:The average depth is 1.5 km. Max depth is 5.1 km. For reference, the Qattara Depression, in Egypt, has an average elevation of -60 m and minimum elevation of -133 m, relative to sea level. This was a few years ago so I don't really remember, sorry. I probably found some equation that used the ideal gas law to describe air pressure and temperature decreasing with altitude, and plugged in negative numbers. If I have time tonight I may just see if I can retrace my steps but it was all strictly amateur stuff. I'm not an atmospheric scientist or anything. EDIT: Oh hey here's somebody who actually knows what they're talking about working the same problem: quote:The concept is nothing revolutionary or even-ground-breaking. It’s basic atmospheric thermodynamics. The dry-adiabatic lapse rate (change in temperature of an unsaturated air parcel with height) is 9.8 degrees C per km. That assumes the air isn’t being warmed or cooled by anything but sinking or lifting. We simply take that pretty common summer day’s temperature on the Libyan coast down a dry-adiabatic line 4 km (about 40 degrees C warming). That gives us a temperature of about 75 degrees C at 2.5 miles below current sea level, or about 167 degrees F. https://stormeyes.org/wp/2013/12/the-hottest-of-days-on-modern-earth/ Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Um, arent there rivers flowing into the med that would fill in some of that lowest altitude land with lakes or smaller seas?
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Um, arent there rivers flowing into the med that would fill in some of that lowest altitude land with lakes or smaller seas? Depending on the flow rate and climate, evaporation can happen faster than infill. It's actually super common in geological terms - it's how you get salt dome formations.
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