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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


It's another instance of amazing things you can do when you have 20,000 dudes available for labor.

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ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



Having bunch of dudes who are just focusing mostly on maintenance after planting season is over is really useful esp if you can either entice them with pay/food or just have a system to make them work for you that they're already used to in the form of corvee systems.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

cheetah7071 posted:

Stonehenge was just a hobby project of people who are really into rock moving

Stonehenge was stolen by the Brits from the Irish, following the instructions of Merlin and creating the great British Tradition of stealing other cultures' historical artifacts.

Nuclear Pizza
Feb 25, 2006

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Steal all the walls, take them home to fortify your own city to replace the walls your enemy stole from you.

Something like this happened during the Peloponnesian War.

Athens and Sparta agree to a peace treaty that stipulates that both sides will return captured territories to each other. This includes a bunch of Athenian fortresses in Attica which, unfortunately, happen to be in the hands of Thebes. And Thebes has no intention of giving them up, war has been going splendidly for them, they've captured territory, they have a bunch of Athenian prisoners and these fortresses are excellent staging grounds for invading Athens during campaigning season.

So both Athens and Sparta keep badgering the Thebans about handing over these fortresses, until the Thebans lose their patience and proceed to do the only reasonable thing.

Tear down the fortresses completely, gather up every individual brick and ship them direct to Athens.

You know, since they wanted them back so badly.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Thebes rocks? Thebes rocks.

Judgy Fucker
Mar 24, 2006

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Stop saying peeps it makes you sound like a freak.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Why do you write like an imbecile?

Why do you post like an rear end in a top hat? Makes you look like a freak.

Skrill.exe
Oct 3, 2007

"Bitcoin is a new financial concept entirely without precedent."

Nessus posted:

Thebes rocks? Thebes rocks.

Hardly. They couldn't even fend off 7 dudes.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Skrill.exe posted:

Hardly. They couldn't even fend off 7 dudes.

They, in fact, could.

Like I see where you’re coming from here, but it’s not called the 7 who took Thebes

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Why do you write like an imbecile?

No one gives a poo poo and this isn't an academic setting. Grow up.

My god you would die if you saw the conversations actual archaeological professionals had.

Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Feb 22, 2024

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa
Thebes, and Epaminondas, pioneered the revolutionary tactics of "maybe we should put our best troops, and a whole bunch of other guys too, against their best troops and see what happens" instead of the old method of fighting, which was putting your best troops against their poo poo troops and letting the enemy do the same.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Skrill.exe posted:

Hardly. They couldn't even fend off 7 dudes.

i feel like a lot of thebans could handle 7 dudes

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

Judgy Fucker posted:

Why do you post like an rear end in a top hat? Makes you look like a freak.

Posting like imbeciles and assholes is the finest tradition of this forum and it would be historical abandonment to relinquish it :frogbon:

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Nuclear Pizza posted:

Something like this happened during the Peloponnesian War.

Athens and Sparta agree to a peace treaty that stipulates that both sides will return captured territories to each other. This includes a bunch of Athenian fortresses in Attica which, unfortunately, happen to be in the hands of Thebes. And Thebes has no intention of giving them up, war has been going splendidly for them, they've captured territory, they have a bunch of Athenian prisoners and these fortresses are excellent staging grounds for invading Athens during campaigning season.

So both Athens and Sparta keep badgering the Thebans about handing over these fortresses, until the Thebans lose their patience and proceed to do the only reasonable thing.

Tear down the fortresses completely, gather up every individual brick and ship them direct to Athens.

You know, since they wanted them back so badly.

Well there's also the story about how after the 2nd Persian war, the Spartans wanted to sign a treaty with Athens that basically said that Athens wouldn't rebuild their walls since that would mean the Athenians didn't trust the Spartans, right? So the Athenian diplomats went to Sparta and basically stalled for time while the Athenians rebuilt the walls as quickly as possible. Then when the Spartans sent emissaries to visit Athens the Athenians took them hostage in order to exchange them for their diplomats who suddenly needed to get out of Sparta ASAP.

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Thebes nuts

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Please take slapfighting to the slapfighting thread.

Note: I do not know if there's a slapfighting thread but I know it's not this one.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Can we slapfight if we do it as a phalanx

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Maniples would make more sense.

Dalmuti
Apr 8, 2007

Bongo Bill posted:

Thebes nuts

maurice would never

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

zoux posted:

Can we slapfight if we do it as a phalanx

Hoplite shields were designed to free up the hand and arm for maximum power when slapping

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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They were able to cook dozens of men's chicken dinners that way. Truly formidable.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Grand Fromage posted:

Maniples would make more sense.

Deez R Maniples

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Telsa Cola posted:

No one gives a poo poo and this isn't an academic setting. Grow up.

My god you would die if you saw the conversations actual archaeological professionals had.

I technically am an archeological professional, actually.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

CrypticFox posted:

Mass slave labor was actually not really practiced in Ancient Mesopotamia (or Egypt, at least for most of its history). Generally, large scale construction projects like building (or demolishing) city walls were done through mobilization of corvee labor and/or the labor of individuals who received land from the crown in exchange for labor service to the state during part of the year.

Corvee is what you do with your own people isn’t it? If you’ve just conquered a city then presumably you don’t have records and organisation to get the city residents to perform a specific amount of corvee each, but you do have a lot of swords with which to make them work until its done. You don’t care about the inefficiency of this because you don’t plan to govern this city long-term anyway.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I technically am an archeological professional, actually.

Finding old porn caches in the forest and selling them to your buddies in middle school doesn’t make you a professional.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Crab Dad posted:

Finding old porn caches in the forest and selling them to your buddies in middle school doesn’t make you a professional.

It's professional if you document it appropriately. Like how it becomes science if you take notes.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Crab Dad posted:

Finding old porn caches in the forest and selling them to your buddies in middle school doesn’t make you a professional.

:lol: but no I've done real archeology.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Archelogists love to party.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Nenonen posted:

Deez R Maniples

Actually it’s pronounced deez Manibus

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I technically am an archeological professional, actually.

Please tell me you aren't a classical arch.

FreudianSlippers posted:

Archelogists love to party.

The big yearly conference this year is in New Orleans and its going to be loving wild, and my work is paying my travel/housing. Can't wait.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

FreudianSlippers posted:

Archelogists love to party.
I've heard that in rural Italy, digging in the dirt is hard work and wine is dirt cheap.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


We were in Cumae and cleaned out the wine shelf at the shop we could walk to in the first week.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Grand Fromage posted:

We were in Cumae and cleaned out the wine shelf at the shop we could walk to in the first week.

Accurate.

We had a rule that if you broke a 1x1 line you had to buy the unit an "elephants foot" which is basically a 2.5 liter bottle of rum.

Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Feb 23, 2024

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


The price differences in Italy are wild too. At least when I was there, a bottle of good wine in Campania was cheaper than a can of Coke in Rome.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Grand Fromage posted:

The price differences in Italy are wild too. At least when I was there, a bottle of good wine in Campania was cheaper than a can of Coke in Rome.

Yeah, the water wasn't really potable where I was at so you could basically get a bottle of local beer for roughly the same price as a bottle of water.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Grand Fromage posted:

The price differences in Italy are wild too. At least when I was there, a bottle of good wine in Campania was cheaper than a can of Coke in Rome.

Decent wine from the side of the road farmers was a single euro per liter. Refills only.
Sicily 2020

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I was always amazed when archaeologists would come back from Italy (or France, for that matter) and turn in their receipts to get reimbursed. The hotels are so cheap, and they don't give you a nightmare bill where the rate is different for each night and has three or four fees and taxes attached to it. Rate, VAT, you're done. I didn't go myself, but they appeared to be very nice places for cheaper than the cost of a Hampton in Peoria.

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Halloween Jack posted:

I was always amazed when archaeologists would come back from Italy (or France, for that matter) and turn in their receipts to get reimbursed. The hotels are so cheap, and they don't give you a nightmare bill where the rate is different for each night and has three or four fees and taxes attached to it. Rate, VAT, you're done. I didn't go myself, but they appeared to be very nice places for cheaper than the cost of a Hampton in Peoria.

That''s just Europe, anyone trying to pull that poo poo here would quickly go out of business. You pay a standard rate which usually includes breakfast, and that's it if you don't hit the minibar. Southern Europe also gets a lot of tourism which means lots of decent rooms with decent prices, which is great for us scholarly types doing our conferences and the like.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
It's just funny to me because our standard international per diem is much higher than anything domestic, so you can make a profit on going to Europe but get hosed over going to NYC.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
God bless per diem, its like an extra thousand bucks a pay check, it's not taxed except for certain situations, and Im stuck in the middle of the desert/woods with my camping food so its not like I'm using it to order food.

I think my record for buying supplies for an 8 day work session was $30, and decent chunk of that was beer.

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Dumb question but: why was monolith building so much earlier and so much BIGGER in Egypt than anywhere else in history?

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