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Does loosing half a billion for Trump even get him further into the pocket of either Russia or Saudi Arabia? It doesn't even really move the needle one way or the other on his chances to win the election.
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Subjunctive posted:it would be hilarious if the RNC had some rule about bankruptcy as disqualification, but I can’t find anything like that Probably never occurred to them it was possible because that's only meant to disqualify the mud people from jobs, getting an apartment, buying a car, getting a credit card, etc.
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Feb 23, 2024 01:54
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BiggerBoat posted:Probably never occurred to them it was possible because that's only meant to disqualify the mud people from jobs, getting an apartment, buying a car, getting a credit card, etc. Bankruptcy was a big innovation in supporting entrepreneurship because before that you would just be trapped in debt for the rest of your life and wouldn’t get to try doing something else. It didn’t quite play out that way in modern society and because of how much that period of credit toxicity sets back what for most people is already a precarious financial arc, alas.
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Feb 23, 2024 01:59
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https://x.com/meiselasb/status/1760815985177813466?s=46&t=bfbUdXZ7wtKr5Ce8r1pCkQ Hmmmm beginning to think this Trump guy isn’t on the level
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Feb 23, 2024 02:28
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deoju posted:Saudi Arabia too. Half a billion for that kind of leverage would be a loving steal. Russia might not care because, well, it's harder for any administration to be more hostile to them than the current one, but I doubt the Saudis would risk it. Trump is also pretty notoriously bad at repaying debts and favors, and the chance anyone actually gets any tangible benefit from their $500 million isn't great. The chance that in the meantime they get hit with sanctions and general bad will (Biden is after all president for another 9 months) is pretty fuckin high.
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Feb 23, 2024 02:51
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I mean, there are kind of four options: 1) You give Trump half a billion and he wins the election. 2) You give Trump half a billion and Biden wins the election. 3) You don't give Trump half a billion and he wins the election. 4) You don't give Trump half a billion and Biden wins the election. Are you actually going to see enough return from (1) that it's going to be a better buy than (3), much less (2) and (4)? Most of the people who would want to give away that much money to see Trump as president are already people he's bizarrely favorable to, anyway.
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Feb 23, 2024 03:09
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Fifteen of Many posted:https://x.com/meiselasb/status/1760815985177813466?s=46&t=bfbUdXZ7wtKr5Ce8r1pCkQ Isn't this some kind of crime? Lying to the judge about the address of the properties?
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Feb 23, 2024 03:09
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I don't think submitting the wrong addresses in court paperwork would result in "gotcha, you didn't notice it so now the incorporation has changed!"
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Feb 23, 2024 03:17
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, there are kind of four options: Only feasible reason would be you want to maximize chaos and don't especially care if your half a billion works, which at this point would only be Russia really Tiny Timbs posted:I don't think submitting the wrong addresses in court paperwork would result in "gotcha, you didn't notice it so now the incorporation has changed!" The strategy is just to delay and sow confusion, buy time, and just generally sow chaos It's not an especially good plan
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Feb 23, 2024 03:39
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Just shutting down US assistance to Ukraine would make a half billion a drop in the bucket slam dunk investment for Russia.
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Feb 23, 2024 03:44
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Zwabu posted:Just shutting down US assistance to Ukraine would make a half billion a drop in the bucket slam dunk investment for Russia. The question is why pay the half billion when the results are no different than free flattery? They've already got legislation mostly bogged down in the house, and Trump is already set to do what they want anyway.
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Feb 23, 2024 04:13
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Gyges posted:The question is why pay the half billion when the results are no different than free flattery? They've already got legislation mostly bogged down in the house, and Trump is already set to do what they want anyway. If they help get him out of a financial jam during election season it would probably materially help his chances getting elected.
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Feb 23, 2024 04:17
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Trump would never spend his own money when there are so many rubes holding out money for him to take.
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Feb 23, 2024 04:38
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Imagine... A lone brinks van sets out from somewhere in Pennsylvania. As it travels, additional identical vans join it. The caravan approaches New York - but falls behind a limousine, now leading the caravan. The limo pulls up to the courthouse. Trunk and his lawyer hop out. They go inside and announce - we're here to appeal the ruling, and post up the full amount. In cash.
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Feb 23, 2024 05:10
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small butter posted:Isn't this some kind of crime? Lying to the judge about the address of the properties? Oh yeah That reminds me The NYAG's office has been harvesting abundant quantities of very interesting data from the civil fraud case that will likely wind up buttressing further criminal fraud indictments against Trump/Trumpco
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Feb 23, 2024 05:12
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Uglycat posted:Imagine... there's a very funny heist movie somewhere in here
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Feb 23, 2024 05:15
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Personally I'm excited to see how they fine tune the messaging thate the ruling is both nothing for such a rich man as Trump, pocket change really, and also a deep and crippling wound that will hobble your favorite president unless you donate all your money.
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Feb 23, 2024 05:24
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Gyges posted:Trump would never spend his own money when there are so many rubes holding out money for him to take. The ratio of hands taking to hands giving has been thoroughly skewed against his favor, especially recently. The whole thing where his superPAC handed out roughly 30 million to his legal costs and only made a few thousand in the same timeframe is pretty stark, and I like that sort of info.
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Feb 23, 2024 05:30
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Uglycat posted:Imagine... “OK, stay here while we verify the amount is correct” *much later* “Whoops, the deadline passed and we only got to the fifth truck. Appeal denied”
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Feb 23, 2024 05:36
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Gyges posted:Personally I'm excited to see how they fine tune the messaging thate the ruling is both nothing for such a rich man as Trump, pocket change really, and also a deep and crippling wound that will hobble your favorite president unless you donate all your money. They're fascists. They aren't gonna fine tune poo poo. They're gonna say both things at the same time to everyone, everywhere. Fellow travelers will believe whatever they want in every instant and then believe whatever else they want in the next instant because gently caress you liberal you mad yet lol owned.
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Feb 23, 2024 05:39
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It's still crazy to me, even if expected, that the entire right-wing apparatus is getting away this well with just completely not even trying to refute the charges on merit.
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haveblue posted:“OK, stay here while we verify the amount is correct” It would be the perfect crime. No one would believe Trump when he tells everyone the money was RIGHT THERE. Hollywood, my IM's are open.
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The Islamic Shock posted:It's still crazy to me, even if expected, that the entire right-wing apparatus is getting away this well with just completely not even trying to refute the charges on merit. What's incredible to me in all this is Habba herself. I was just talking to another lawyer colleague of mine about how insane it is that she's representing Turnip through all of these cases. She is a nobody. And I don't mean that in a mean way. Being a lawyer is a combat sport. You win or you lose, and usually the person with the greater skill is going to win. This can get pretty even if we're talking, like, the United States Attorney's office vs the federal public defenders. Or the corporate lawyers at Perkins Coie vs the corporate lawyers at Patton Boggs would be a very dull but very even fight. But I've seen bottom barrel trash pot lawyers go against experienced lawyers, and they get crushed, absolutely crushed. Hell I've been the crusher in that situation. It's not fun but my client has rights. Habba does not play in this league. She's from a bottom tier law school and has no experience whatsoever. She represented her husband's parking garage company handling the functional equivalent of corporate parking tickets. She has no business going up against the cream of the crop prosecutors from the NY DA's corporate fraud section. She has no business representing the freaking President of the United States. Trump should have hired the world's best corporate defense attorney. If he paid them (and he wouldn't) they would have jumped at the chance. Alec Baldwin hired experienced qualified attorneys the moment the gun left his hand. Hunter Biden hired the same loving guy who represented Jared Kushner! In order to play in the big leagues these lawyers have to have chops to stand up for their client. Habba has no business representing someone like Donald Trump for what he's accused of. It's insane watching Habba not know how to mark exhibits or offer her own opinion as a question three weeks into defending the President. Maybe she's a complete toady who caught his ear at the wrong time, maybe he just likes her looks, maybe she's doing it for free, who knows. He should have someone in his entourage asking him what the hell he's doing with this lawyer though.
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BigHead posted:What's incredible to me in all this is Habba herself. I was just talking to another lawyer colleague of mine about how insane it is that she's representing Turnip through all of these cases. She is a nobody. And I don't mean that in a mean way. Being a lawyer is a combat sport. You win or you lose, and usually the person with the greater skill is going to win. Edit at below: oh yeah. Slimy poo poo plus on his side would do it The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Habba also managed to impress Trump by running a very unethical and probably illegal scheme to try to neutralize a sexual harassment allegation, for which she will probably be disbarred eventually, so there's that I guess? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/former-trump-golf-club-worker-was-sexually-harassed-supervisor-conned-rcna127465
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Trump's previous several batches of attorneys all quit on him because 1) Trump doesn't do what he's told by his lawyers, 2) loves to insult and scream at and blame his lawyers, and most importantly 3) doesn't pay his lawyers. He literally ran off all the lawyers out there that weren't parking-lot grade.
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FMguru posted:Trump's previous several batches of attorneys all quit on him because 1) Trump doesn't do what he's told by his lawyers, 2) loves to insult and scream at and blame his lawyers, and most importantly 3) doesn't pay his lawyers. He literally ran off all the lawyers out there that weren't parking-lot grade. Seems like Trump paying people started last year. Edit at below: right, wrong voice. People have been paid. The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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The Islamic Shock posted:https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4442671-trump-millions-lawyers-whos-getting-the-most/
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Ardlen posted:According to that article, Trump still hasn't really been paying anyone. All these lawyer fees are coming from his PACs. I think last year is when he found out he could use his PAC to pay lawyers. Too bad for Giuliani that he took the job before Donny found the piggy bank. Sadly his decades long rep of being a terrible client who fucks over his lawyers has severely limited the quality of lawyer willing to take his case on someone else's dime.
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, there are kind of four options: From the Saudi Arabia side, there's really only two: 1: Give Trump half a billion dollars and he wins the election. Now you have the United States President, the most powerful leader in the free world, firmly in your pocket. As long as you dangle the money carrot in front of him, he'll do or say whatever you want. You're untouchable and all of your rivals in the region are certainly going to take notice. All for the low cost of a half billion dollars from your $600b whitewashing fund; that every country isn't trying this means they are absolute fools. B: Give Trump half a billion dollars and he loses the election. Does this mean Biden is going to turn around and saction Saudi Arabia, or does it mean an investment didn't pay out and it'll be business as usual? Global business is still going to be lining up to beg for a sip from that $600b spiggot; Saudi Arabia is going to own a NBA team before the end of the decade and potentially a MLB team and when you're willing to spend $Texas+ it means a lot of luxury tax money coming into the league coffers. (NFL would be ideal but the hard salary cap makes that a harder bargain). Add in that private capital is racing to be the ones to own major college football and there's plenty of opportunities to influence the American people and government. Really, it's a no-brainer from their perspective.
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Could be wrong but I don't think anyone other than idiot mega chuds are going to give trump any more money just because he is an admitted loser who is currently being dragged through the proverbial mud.
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Mercury_Storm posted:Could be wrong but I don't think anyone other than idiot mega chuds are going to give trump any more money just because he is an admitted loser who is currently being dragged through the proverbial mud. I suspect when we’re talking about foreign benefactors their interest is more in crippling their adversaries by wasting their time and energy dealing with the malignant growth that is the right in power.
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Starting to look like he maybe ain't got the cash Really want to see what a dead dry liquid assets chest situation looks like for a real estate mogul who already leveraged his poo poo halfway to neptune
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C. Everett Koop posted:From the Saudi Arabia side, there's really only two: The issue with this is all that money won't buy Trump's loyalty. He'll just think you're a sucker who gave him money.
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The reason to give Trump the money wouldn't be to get him in your pocket if he wins (Though there has never been a shortage of people who go "Trump ripped off those other idiots but I know how to handle him, I'll run rings around him"), it would be to increase the rate of degradation in American's faith in the democratic system. You shore up his image as a strong ultra-rich businessman, and if and when it comes out, so much the better - the chuds will deny it or that it matters and everyone else will despair.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The issue with this is all that money won't buy Trump's loyalty. He'll just think you're a sucker who gave him money. The Trump saga is a very long line of people who were ready to risk their careers for Trump, only to have him throw them under the bus at the earliest point possible. And there has always been many more suckers ready to take that place.
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trump showing up with 400M in foreign cash only to be met at the courthouse by IRS agents who confiscate 39 percent for federal taxes is my preferred scenario
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The issue with this is all that money won't buy Trump's loyalty. He'll just think you're a sucker who gave him money. Try to buy his loyalty and get his scorn. Tell him that his hair looks amazing and he's as ride or die as a cowardly narcissist can ever get.
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FMguru posted:Trump's previous several batches of attorneys all quit on him because 1) Trump doesn't do what he's told by his lawyers, 2) loves to insult and scream at and blame his lawyers, and most importantly 3) doesn't pay his lawyers. He literally ran off all the lawyers out there that weren't parking-lot grade. Reminds me of the quote from Knowledge Fight about how Alex Jones had enough pissed ex-lawyers in the original Sandy Hook trial to man the jury, even taking backup jurors into account.
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I actually think Trump is a worse target for this kind of bribery than you might think. To me the biggest upside for bailing him out if you're a leader of a foreign government, or some other similarly situated person, wouldn't be the idea that you would have him in your pocket after paying him off. Rather the typical play would be to dangle the money and get him to say something incriminating or promise to pay you back in a sketchy way. Then you've got ironclad blackmail with receipts. That's pretty significant leverage. Normally. But Trump's reputation is so thoroughly filled with these kind of scams and bribes and other assorted poo poo that any potential blackmail material, no matter how salacious simply wouldn't move the needle. It's like when you rack up a serious drug habit and develop a massive tolerance. He's got blackmail tolerance. You could get this guy on tape admitting to sell you America's nuclear arsenal under the table if you pay off his legal debts. And nobody would care! Nobody that doesn't already hate Trump's guts that is. Republicans would still lineup behind him, and his base would still gobble up whatever poo poo he shovels. So if I'm Vladimir Putin or Kim Jong-un, I'm thinking gently caress paying this guy. gently caress even messing around with trying to blackmail him. He's a pig covered in poo poo. Nothing would stick. It's impossible to get leverage over a guy like that.
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