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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



supersnowman posted:

The Belgorod region border village getting shelled at least every week sure look like a good usage of ammo by now...

A day a go I read they hit Donetsk populated areas again. They will 100% prefer to take pot shots at cities where the shots wont make any difference in the combat than shoot them at resupplying russians in the front lines.

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

like who the gently caress did defeat Hitler if Russia didn't do it?

if we say the Soviet Union did it, well, who fought under the banner of the USSR? Ukrainians? Guessing a guy named "Roman" might not be too happy about that

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

gradenko_2000 posted:

like who the gently caress did defeat Hitler if Russia didn't do it?

if we say the Soviet Union did it, well, who fought under the banner of the USSR? Ukrainians? Guessing a guy named "Roman" might not be too happy about that

This is part of the deliberately schizophrenic history of the war. More Poles fought in the LWP than the Polish Army in exile too.

Whole books have been written about the precarious balancing act in Italian national memory, where the Partisans, Royal Italian Army, Co-Belligerents, and RSI can't all obviously be "the Italians" commemorated by the government, but the right also "had" to be rehabilitated to maintain a strong position during the Cold War, so it's kind of incomprehensible.

The Greek Royalists who mostly didn't fight are commemorated more than the Partisans who did, ultimately because they won the Civil War (more accurately it was won for them :britain: ).

The Romanians, Bulgarians and Finns alternated between remembering those who fought with the Germans and those who fought against them. Obviously til 91, the Romanians and Bulgarians identified with fighting fascism rather than being willing partners, but then... well, you know. The Finns, it's all over the goddamn place.

The Hungarians used to have a similar kind of deal, only they only really got to fighting the Germans for the last two weeks or so of the war iirc. That was always sort of a victimhood narrative, and rightly so because the Germans put more effort into exterminating the Hungarian Jews than actually moving troops to theatre when the Red Army crashed in.

The Czechs had more forces with the Soviets than the single Czech brigade among the western allies, but you can guess what happened here.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 03:22 on Feb 23, 2024

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Ahaha new child smuggling / surrogacy operation cover story found. I imagine it will end up "adopted" by some rich couple of remarkably similar genes.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

supersnowman posted:

I wonder what's the barrel wear on those "accurate" guns by now.

Given the shell shortage maybe not that bad!

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Cao Ni Ma posted:

A day a go I read they hit Donetsk populated areas again. They will 100% prefer to take pot shots at cities where the shots wont make any difference in the combat than shoot them at resupplying russians in the front lines.

if they did that then their targets might shoot back and that would make them pee they're pants and cry

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Guns use a buffer to control recoil and a recuperator to control run-out. In essence the recoiling ordnance pulls a piston in the buffer cylinder back with it. This piston moves against oil that can move from one side of the piston to the other, which has the effect of absorbing the recoil. The difficult bit is sealing, with 'packings', the sides of the piston to prevent compressed air leaking into the oil.



The introduction of nitrogen in the hydro-pneumatic recoil systems of cannons marked a significant leap in artillery technology - once the ability to produce large amounts of liquid nitrogen became practical. Earlier the glycerin the French used in the buffer was replaced with oil, that was done in the early 1900s. Nitrogen took longer because it's harder to make liquid nitrogen. Nitrogen's key attributes—its compressibility, inertness, and the ability to maintain purity—made it an ideal choice, beating air in efficiency and reliability.

In terms of maintaining a good seal, oxygen reacts with rubber as it permeates through it, which leads to a thermo-oxidative process that degrades rubber over time. This is not good, obviously. Since a gun needs to be repaired in a workshop if the valves, gaskets, and packings are shot, then the cylinders refilled, it's better to ... not have this happen.

Nitrogen's stability is a big factor. Its chemical inertness ensures that it does not react with the hydraulic fluids or the materials of the system, preventing corrosion and extending the life of the components. This is particularly crucial in the field, where maintenance opportunities might be limited, and the reliability of the weapon system is... really sort of important. Nitrogen compresses reliably across a range of temperatures, where air is really variable. Removing variability is obviously a good thing in this application.

Moreover, nitrogen's consistency in behavior under various pressure and temperature conditions ensures predictable and reliable operation of the recoil and recuperation mechanisms. This predictability is essential for guns that need to fire at different elevations and under varying environmental conditions. The absence of moisture in nitrogen, a common issue with compressed air, further enhances the system's reliability, especially in cold climates where moisture could freeze and impair the system's function. If the valves or other parts of the mechanism freeze, you're - at best - operating an old school cannon that needs ramps and ropes to arrest recoil.

If the gun is out of battery when the recuperator goes down, you can't fire it, so you have a bigger problem. The 777 in particular has to be perfectly balanced because instead of gearing for elevation it uses the hydraulic system, so if it's out of battery, you have a wildly unbalanced and unstable gun that you'd be lucky to safely get back in the towing position after using the manual pumps and struggling for... a while.

On the 777 you also can't move the tray (so, have mechanical assistance in reloading the gun) or lower or raise the turntable the gun rotates on without the hydraulics, so you'd really be doing 1812 poo poo.

How "152mm HE shell fragment resistant" can you really make those cylinders?

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
https://twitter.com/geromanat/status/1760738496803635504?s=46&t=uwrTJ0SWdeVlrTtcqOY4Kw

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

supersnowman posted:

How "152mm HE shell fragment resistant" can you really make those cylinders?

Not at all, which is why you're supposed to have spares, and liquid nitrogen to refill them.

e: They're high pressure cylinders, so they're tough in theory, the steel is strong enough to contain pretty powerful internal forces, but the fact that they contain high pressures works against them if damaged.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

DancingShade posted:

Given the shell shortage maybe not that bad!

Soon, they might request HEFSRAGP* to shoot out of smoothbore guns.

* Highly Explosive Fin Stabilized Rocket Assisted Guided Projectile

Such thing might be impossible to build this but I don't care, the MIC grifters will find a way to get a development contract for billions.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008


That's me.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

supersnowman posted:

Soon, they might request HEFSRAGP* to shoot out of smoothbore guns.

* Highly Explosive Fin Stabilized Rocket Assisted Guided Projectile

Such thing might be impossible to build this but I don't care, the MIC grifters will find a way to get a development contract for billions.

Did you cheat and know about this ahead of time?



"As a key industry partner to the U.S. Department of Defense, BAE Systems is developing an HVP for the U.S. Armed Forces and its allies. This projectile will provide lethality and performance enhancements to current and future gun systems and allow for technological growth while reducing development, production, and total ownership costs.

The HVP is a next-generation, common, low drag, guided projectile capable of executing multiple missions for a number of gun systems, such as the Navy 5-Inch; Navy, Marine Corps, and Army 155-mm systems; and future electromagnetic (EM) railguns. Types of missions performed will depend on the gun system and platform, but range from Naval Surface Fire, to Cruise and Ballistic Missile Defense, Anti-Surface Warfare and other future Naval mission areas.

The HVP’s low drag aerodynamic design enables high-velocity, maneuverability, and decreased time-to-target. These attributes, coupled with accurate guidance electronics, provide low-cost mission effectiveness against current threats and the ability to adapt to air and surface threats of the future.

The high-velocity compact design relieves the need for a rocket motor to extend gun range. Firing smaller, more accurate rounds decreases the likelihood for collateral damage and provides for deeper magazines and improved shipboard safety."

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
lol from the Politico article

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Homeless Friend posted:

lol from the Politico article



he looks like he's about to snap.. was that from this week?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Homeless Friend posted:

lol from the Politico article



img-the-heavens-above.jpeg

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/us/politics/russia-war-anniversary-sanctions.html

U.S. Campaign to Isolate Russia Shows Limits After 2 Years of War
By Edward Wong and Michael Crowley
Edward Wong reported from Brasília, Rio de Janeiro and Washington, and Michael Crowley from Washington. Both have traveled the world with the U.S. secretary of state to report on diplomacy over the war in Ukraine.
Feb. 22, 2024, 1:40 p.m. ET

... But two years later, Mr. Putin is not nearly as isolated as U.S. officials had hoped. Russia’s inherent strength, rooted in its vast supplies of oil and natural gas, has powered a financial and political resilience that threatens to outlast Western opposition. In parts of Asia, Africa and South America, his influence is as strong as ever or even growing. And his grip on power at home appears as strong as ever.

The war has undoubtedly taken a toll on Russia: It has wrecked the country’s standing with much of Europe. The International Criminal Court has issued a warrant for Mr. Putin’s arrest. The United Nations has repeatedly condemned the invasion.

And to hear Biden administration officials tell it, Russia has suffered a major strategic failure.

Today, Russia is more isolated on the world stage than ever,” Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken declared in June. Mr. Putin’s war, he added, “has diminished Russian influence on every continent.”

Beyond North America and Europe, there is evidence to the contrary.

China, India and Brazil are buying Russian oil in record quantities, feasting on the steep discounts Mr. Putin now offers to countries willing to replace his lost European customers. With those growing economic relationships have come strong diplomatic ties, including with some close U.S. partners. Mr. Putin visited Beijing in October and hosted India’s foreign minister in Moscow in late December. A few weeks earlier, Mr. Putin was warmly received in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, where he was greeted with a 21-gun salute and fighter jets overhead trailing smoke in the red, white and blue of Russia’s flag.

Russian influence is also expanding in Africa, according to a new report from the Royal United Services Institute, a security research group based in London. When Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner mercenary group, died last summer, Russia’s military intelligence service took over Wagner’s extensive operations in Africa and made further inroads with governments that rely on the group for security.

“By no means is Russia boxed in,” said Michael Kimmage, a Cold War historian at the Catholic University of America who was a State Department official in the Obama administration. “It’s not boxed in economically, it’s not boxed in diplomatically and it gets its message out on the war.”...

... Moscow has also worked to avoid blame for higher food and energy prices that followed its invasion. Several weeks ago, Russia delivered 34,000 tons of free fertilizer to Nigeria, one of several such shipments it has sent to Africa.

Mr. Putin can afford such largess, not to mention a war of attrition in eastern Ukraine, because Russia has replaced lost energy customers in Europe by selling far more on other continents. The International Energy Agency reported last month that Russia exported 7.8 million barrels of oil per day in December, the highest in nine months — and only slightly below prewar levels...

... Russia’s standing is benefiting from President Biden’s support for Israel’s war in Gaza, analysts say. Many leaders see hypocrisy in American condemnations of Russian strikes on civilian areas and infrastructure in Ukraine, unmoved by the argument that Israel works to avoid civilian casualties while Russia has deliberately targeted innocents...

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/starsandstripes/status/1760858013290664094?s=20

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Homeless Friend posted:

lol from the Politico article



The picture with him looking like a mad goblin from the same event just works, dont need to go photoshopping another

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1760747533737812373

Hero of the Soviet Union Russian Federation, the abandoned pipe.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Did you cheat and know about this ahead of time?


5 seconds after the post, I realized I had just "invented" firing a missile out of a gun. Then, 5 more seconds later, I agreed with my message even more by realizing the MIC would find a way to re-invent firing a missile out of a gun while making sure the already existing solution would not be selected by inventing irrelevant criteria or just ignoring it altogether.

If anyone doubt the MIC would grift billions by reinventing something, please consider multiple corporation recently tried to reinvent the train by putting "pods" on tracks and when asked how to increase throughput of such system, they could link pods together and they still got a shitload of money to work on such stupid ideas.

dk2m
May 6, 2009
https://twitter.com/rshereme/status/1760846175366779018?s=46

https://twitter.com/rshereme/status/1760846180810911941?s=46

https://twitter.com/rshereme/status/1760846185428885581?s=46

https://twitter.com/rshereme/status/1760846195730022882?s=46

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

lol historical issues aside, (because what can you even say?) by the framing of points 3 and 4, Ukraine can't win because there's no second front, and even if there was, they still wouldn't get the credit.

Malleum
Aug 16, 2014

Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?
Buglord
the sherridan fired missiles out of its gun by cutting a big trough through the rifling for a guide rail, loving it up if you ever needed to fire a normal shell through it. im sure in the 50 years since its adoption rheinmetall can find a new and novel way to make a gun that doesn't actually work

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Israel has a gun fired missile they've been trying to push on the export market for years, LAHAT.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


fizziester posted:

China, India and Brazil are buying Russian oil in record quantities

Lavrov was here today and met with Lula.

gov.br posted:

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva met today with Russian chancellor Sergey Lavrov. [...] Lavrov praised president Lula for arranging and organizing the meeting of chancellors in Rio de Janeiro and transmitted remarks of support by president Putin towards the Brazilian leadership of the [meeting] group. The Russian dignitary re-emphasized the invitation for the BRICS summit in October, in Russia, while also reiterating support for a Brazilian permanent position at the UN Security Council.

Lula agreed to the invitation and apparently was a highly positive meeting. We have pretty good relations with Russia - to the point that my state has a diplomatic secretariat for Russia because how well is the commerce between them and our part of the country, besides a rather high number of Russians living here in relative proportion - and its been about loving time that we actually developed further cooperation, because we can do a positive triangulation with China that can seriously help us out in relation to the US/EU

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Israel has a gun fired missile they've been trying to push on the export market for years, LAHAT.

somehow the only ones with working gun missiles are the russians and chinese

it's like somehow the only ones with decent enough tanks are the russians and chinese

edit: just remembered north korea has gun missiles too

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Israel has a gun fired missile they've been trying to push on the export market for years, LAHAT.

Israel trying to make bolters real fits with them being a fascist state

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
So Roman points out that 8 million Ukrainians died in WW2. Indeed, millions of ethnic Ukrainians gave their lives to defeat Nazi Germany, in fact the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians who fought in any capacity fought to defeat the Nazis.

So why the gently caress does modern Ukraine hero worship the tiny fraction who DIDN'T fight to defeat the Nazis? Why can't they draw inspiration from the ~90% of Ukrainians who helped defeat Hitler? Can Roman answer those questions?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

VoicesCanBe posted:

So Roman points out that 8 million Ukrainians died in WW2. Indeed, millions of ethnic Ukrainians gave their lives to defeat Nazi Germany, in fact the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians who fought in any capacity fought to defeat the Nazis.

So why the gently caress does modern Ukraine hero worship the tiny fraction who DIDN'T fight to defeat the Nazis? Why can't they draw inspiration from the ~90% of Ukrainians who helped defeat Hitler? Can Roman answer those questions?

This is what I mean about Italy, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland and the Baltics having incoherent historical narratives.

But for Snyder and Applebaum, it's good work if you can get it.

dk2m
May 6, 2009
I’m actually familiar with Roman as well, connection of a connection of a connection type thing.

I cant imagine this insane take using his real name, which now has 12+ million views, is going to do his institution any favors. like, surely, there must be a limit even amongst the most hardcore neoliberal economist institutions right? I’m pretty curious to see how they respond. I’ve read some of his work and it’s all hardcore neoliberal Chicago school stuff - i know he’s also on some Ukrainian consulting board stuff for that government. OUN takes are now just accepted in economics depts I guess

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
which country in the united states lost the most people during ww2

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

dk2m posted:

I’m actually familiar with Roman as well, connection of a connection of a connection type thing.

I cant imagine this insane take using his real name, which now has 12+ million views, is going to do his institution any favors. like, surely, there must be a limit even amongst the most hardcore neoliberal economist institutions right? I’m pretty curious to see how they respond. I’ve read some of his work and it’s all hardcore neoliberal Chicago school stuff - i know he’s also on some Ukrainian consulting board stuff for that government. OUN takes are now just accepted in economics depts I guess

In a generation from now they'll be teaching that the Russians did the Holocaust and the Germans weren't so bad really

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
This is going into the treacherous swamps of Alt-History, but I do wonder how WW2 would have played out if Germany didn't invade the USSR and instead just focused on keeping England besieged and fighting in North Africa. Could Britain and the US have won against a European Axis that was entirely focused on them?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


1stGear posted:

This is going into the treacherous swamps of Alt-History, but I do wonder how WW2 would have played out if Germany didn't invade the USSR and instead just focused on keeping England besieged and fighting in North Africa. Could Britain and the US have won against a European Axis that was entirely focused on them?

Yes. The US was nearly as populous and vastly more industrialized than the Soviet Union, and also invasion proof. They'd have rolled over the Japanese just like they did in reality then set about reducing german cities to rubble. their air and artillery power was leagues beyond any other country at the time. also worst case they could just nuke berlin or wherever

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

what if hitler didnt declare war on the us... would that have meant anything

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

trying to find a w for adolph here

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Mia Wasikowska posted:

trying to find a w for adolph here

what if he had some big robots, with big guns on them

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

While FDR did have a serious problem justifying a war with Germany due to the US's populace's isolationism and general goodwill for the Nazis it was only a matter of time before another Lusitania incident was manufactured to create a suitable excuse.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
Russia jailed a dual national woman on treason charges. I'm wondering if anyone has more context besides the usual spin. In the press its handled like she donated 50 bux online and that was enough, but from what we've seen before there's often more to it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68345526

Most dual nationals were already afraid to go back, now they're spooked that even women can't go visit family. Anyone here had any experience going back? Asking only because I hope to do it myself and see aging people that might not live to see the end of the war.

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

1stGear posted:

This is going into the treacherous swamps of Alt-History, but I do wonder how WW2 would have played out if Germany didn't invade the USSR and instead just focused on keeping England besieged and fighting in North Africa. Could Britain and the US have won against a European Axis that was entirely focused on them?

Well the Nazis aren't the Nazis then, because half of the Pale of Settlement and the world's only extant communist government would both be outside of their control. They could never have a sense of security with the alleged two sources of all of the Reich's internal problems right there.

The same goes for not expanding to secure Lebensraum. Saying "oh we're not strong enough to take it, we'd lose a war if we tried." is obviously incompatible with their worldview also, and would exacerbate the problem. You can't just walk away from what your entire ideology has built up as the Great Enemy that must be overcome to fulfil national destiny.

By way of example, German propaganda framed the (Western Allied) combined bomber offensive as a manifestation of a Jewish and Communist plot. That's how they understood it ideologically. Well, bordering a communist state that contains most of the world's Jews is not something they could just sit on to focus on fighting the British. The blame for every British bombing raid would be directed eastwards.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 06:41 on Feb 23, 2024

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