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Someone should trick putin to pump all the russian gas to other countries who will just burn it wait no
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Feb 22, 2024 20:40
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You know, I hadn't considered it before, because the entire idea of an amphibious landing and invasion of Kaliningrad is insane, but I thought about it for a while. And you know, I think if Ukraine were to seize Kaliningrad from the sea, that would be one of the maybe three things that would trigger a Russian nuclear response lol. It's just an utterly baffling idea, but the strategic military importance of Kaliningrad would indeed merit a nuclear response escalation according to currently adopted Russian doctrinal policy on release of nuclear weapons for tactical use. Because of its status as a strategic military base masquerading as an oblast that Russia relies on for force projection onto the continent and Baltics, it would be equivalent to sinking one or several US aircraft carrier groups. What a strange scenario lol HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Feb 22, 2024 20:58
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HonorableTB posted:You know, I hadn't considered it before, because the entire idea of an amphibious landing and invasion of Kaliningrad is insane, but I thought about it for a while. And you know, I think if Ukraine were to seize Kaliningrad from the sea, that would be one of the maybe three things that would trigger a Russian nuclear response lol. It's just an utterly baffling idea, but the strategic military importance of Kaliningrad would indeed merit a nuclear response escalation according to currently adopted Russian doctrinal policy on release of nuclear weapons for tactical use. Because of its status as a strategic military base masquerading as an oblast that Russia relies on for force projection onto the continent and Baltics, it would be equivalent to sinking one or several US aircraft carrier groups. This is exactly why Královec must be free. Seizing the whole thing might be too much of a pain in the rear end, but I think we should do a blockade, at the very least.
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Feb 22, 2024 21:07
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ChthonicMasturbatr posted:It is good when invaders can't hurt anyone anymore. Better when they decide to not be invaders on their own. And if the invaded can offer motivation for defecting from the murderhorde, great. 
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Feb 22, 2024 22:50
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mobby_6kl posted:This is exactly why Královec must be free. I disagree. The best option imo is to sponsor and support a sepratist movement there. Give Russia a taste of its own.
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Feb 22, 2024 22:56
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I really don't think Kaliningrad has any kind of separatist movement.
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Feb 22, 2024 23:02
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Wouldn't they be much richer if they just held on to all that import money instead of sending it to moscow?
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Feb 22, 2024 23:08
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spankmeister posted:I really don't think Kaliningrad has any kind of separatist movement. Neither did Ukraine and yet
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Feb 22, 2024 23:08
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mobby_6kl posted:Neither did Ukraine and yet Nobody lives in Kaliningrad except military personnel basically so if you want to go with a separatist uprising plot you'd probably just have better luck going all-in on whatever that brigade of free russian volunteers is and let them go hog wild through southern Russia raiding infrastructure and logistics targets. Much more useful benefit, same style of narrative, a lot cheaper Also, Burns posted:I disagree. The best option imo is to sponsor and support a sepratist movement there. Give Russia a taste of its own. Russia has historically been quite good and effective at colonizing and the resulting ethnic cleansings that accompanied it. I don't believe there's a single oblast where an ethnic minority is the majority of the population. Russia has loved to use strategic internal deportations and such to move people around (see: Crimean Tatars!) in order to keep ethnic minorities fragmented enough to not be a threat to the Russian majority. Straight up, there's no real base to start from in terms of sponsoring/supporting separatist movements. Ukraine's separatists worked because there was a foundation of baseline pro-Russian support in the Ukrainian south and east that made it possible, if the whole country had the attitude as the Lviv/northern Ukraine area, Girkin wouldn't have been able to pull off the DPR/LPR stunt. Crimea worked for the same reason; the population there was always the region with least support for Ukraine/Ukrainian identity. That part comes from a deep and complicated relationship that I don't feel like diving into in this post but the story of the Crimean Tatars and Cossacks is a very wild one over the centuries. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Feb 22, 2024 23:28
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HonorableTB posted:Still astounded that the two dudes in the helicopter, when faced with the full scope of what had just happened and that the helicopter was now in Ukraine, surrounded by Ukrainian military units, with everyone including their pilot and the Ukrainians on the ground asking them to surrender, did not accept and instead tried to fight Their refusal to surrender was not in vain; later a guy with a brooding avatar on the SomethingAwful dot com forums avenged their deaths with a totally sick three-post burn that fell on completely deaf ears.
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Feb 22, 2024 23:33
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You just know that Putin is gonna be like Kissinger, and Cheney, and Trump in that he's a person whose hate sustains him, and who has access to the best medical care, and so he is going to live for a loving century.
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Feb 22, 2024 23:50
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ChthonicMasturbatr posted:It is good when invaders can't hurt anyone anymore. Better when they decide to not be invaders on their own. And if the invaded can offer motivation for defecting from the murderhorde, great. No but you see war good
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Feb 23, 2024 00:09
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HonorableTB posted:Nobody lives in Kaliningrad except military personnel I think the Russian demographic that has the most incentive to escape (by a large margin) is their military personnel
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Feb 23, 2024 03:00
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Alan Smithee posted:No but you see war good  да, товарищ
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Feb 23, 2024 03:16
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I'm tired of all these tsar wars
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Feb 23, 2024 03:47
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Vaginaface posted:I think the Russian demographic that has the most incentive to escape (by a large margin) is their military personnel This is fair. Also, I'll not be posting in this thread until further notice because it does not do me very much good mental health wise and eventually it will probably get me perma'd so instead, I'd rather not have that happen and will instead be posting about non politics/war related things, because those are better for me than this subject! Two years of exposure to this is enough I think 
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Feb 23, 2024 04:17
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HonorableTB posted:You know, I hadn't considered it before, because the entire idea of an amphibious landing and invasion of Kaliningrad is insane, but I thought about it for a while. And you know, I think if Ukraine were to seize Kaliningrad from the sea, that would be one of the maybe three things that would trigger a Russian nuclear response lol. It's just an utterly baffling idea, but the strategic military importance of Kaliningrad would indeed merit a nuclear response escalation according to currently adopted Russian doctrinal policy on release of nuclear weapons for tactical use. Because of its status as a strategic military base masquerading as an oblast that Russia relies on for force projection onto the continent and Baltics, it would be equivalent to sinking one or several US aircraft carrier groups. There's an upcoming RTS called Broken Arrow and its demo mission is an amphibious invasion of Kaliningrad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHO4ILCCzw0 If anyone wants something that plays between World in Conflict and the Wargame series, give it a look. Its betas have been fun.
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Feb 23, 2024 06:02
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kind of weird to be chatting about fun war games in the war crimes thread
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Feb 23, 2024 06:04
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has anything from kal even been deployed
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Feb 23, 2024 06:05
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TrashMammal posted:kind of weird to be chatting about fun war games in the war crimes thread War thunder keeps coming up tho
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Feb 23, 2024 06:25
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TrashMammal posted:kind of weird to be chatting about fun war games in the war crimes thread Yeah, fair. Not a great idea to post that.
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Feb 23, 2024 06:27
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Tunicate posted:War thunder keeps coming up tho that’s valuable intel
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Feb 23, 2024 06:32
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Alan Smithee posted:has anything from kal even been deployed Yes, the 11th Army Corps in late '22.
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Feb 23, 2024 06:32
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HonorableTB posted:... Take care man. 
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Feb 23, 2024 06:44
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Farewell. 
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Feb 23, 2024 06:53
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ChthonicMasturbatr posted:It's interesting to discover such extremely specific circumstances in which tankies suddenly (pretend to) care about Russian lives.
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Feb 23, 2024 06:55
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For Putin so loved Russian lives, that he gave the second strongest army, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting fishbrick.
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Feb 23, 2024 08:50
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Vichnaya Fishbrick
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Feb 23, 2024 08:56
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Avirosb posted:For Putin so loved Russian lives, that he gave the second strongest army, Everlasting Fishbricks (that get taken away 5 minutes after the photoshoot)
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Feb 23, 2024 08:59
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United24 just published a video on Ukrainian pilots and ground crew training on the F16 in Denmark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyP_eizMqi0
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Feb 23, 2024 09:27
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HonorableTB posted:This is fair. take care and see you elsewhere
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Feb 23, 2024 09:33
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https://x.com/timesofindia/status/1760484558913319020?s=20
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Feb 23, 2024 10:45
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Feb 23, 2024 10:52
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HonorableTB posted:This is fair. Take care and see you elsethread! I think this stage of the war is mentally exhausting as well, where the bodies stack up without much front line movement, and the powers that be seem pretty content with this, so long as it keeps the adversarial nation bogged up in the grind. So nothing much to post about, only misery.
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Feb 23, 2024 10:55
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quote:They were allegedly misled into taking up 'security personnel/helper' jobs in Russia by a man from Maharashtra, who runs a YouTube channel. A vlogger exposed the fraud being perpetrated on gullible youth.
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Feb 23, 2024 11:02
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WARNING: Transnistria May Organize a Referendum on Annexation to Russia to Support Russian Hybrid Operation Against Moldova Feb 22, 2024 - ISW Press https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/warning-transnistria-may-organize-referendum-annexation-russia-support-russian-hybrid I guess Putin told his puppets and useful idiots in Transnistria to start earning their pay, and create another front in Moldova regardless of if Russia can support them or not.
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Feb 23, 2024 11:15
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Der Kyhe posted:WARNING: Transnistria May Organize a Referendum on Annexation to Russia to Support Russian Hybrid Operation Against Moldova I'd think Transnistria is more useful as a threat than as an actual participant. They'd probably get rolled pretty quickly, with Russia losing leverage over both Ukraine and Moldova.
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Feb 23, 2024 11:28
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Der Kyhe posted:WARNING: Transnistria May Organize a Referendum on Annexation to Russia to Support Russian Hybrid Operation Against Moldova A couple direct hits on Cobasna and it won't matter what they want to do or not, honestly
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Feb 23, 2024 11:45
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wit posted:This is all kinds of yikes. There's a lot of private work during wars sure, but this is straight up human trafficking. I feel really bad for the mercenaries that were just trying to get paid off other people's suffering. No wait, what's the other thing? gently caress'em.
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Feb 23, 2024 11:45
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poor waif posted:I'd think Transnistria is more useful as a threat than as an actual participant. They'd probably get rolled pretty quickly, with Russia losing leverage over both Ukraine and Moldova. yeah im assuming it's just standard putin's puppet theatre fare and nothing will come of it, but if russia actually officially declared to annex transnistria it would certainly add some interesting dynamics to the discussions about moldovan unification with romania, which has already seen an uptick since putin invaded ukraine
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