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Observe the M1 Abrams in its native habitat…
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Feb 23, 2024 16:59
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:Huh. Off the dome, the 47th was originally given Leopard 2s (don't know which variant, guessing A4s but don't hold me to that). I don't really know how Ukraine organizes its mechanized/armored units so maybe they're running both or they have replaced their Leopards. Some of the military analysts have noted that Ukrainian brigades are often quite large. Many have 6-8 maneuver battalions. 31 tanks makes one Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian/Warsaw Pact tank battalion. (Western battalions have around 44 tanks).
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Feb 23, 2024 17:09
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Reports that another Russian A-50 AWACS got shot down... this time apparently over Russia.
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Feb 23, 2024 18:56
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OddObserver posted:Reports that another Russian A-50 AWACS got shot down... this time apparently over Russia. Major egg on the face of breakingdefense.com's Reuben Johnson if true After historic shoot-down, why Russia will struggle to replace its A-50 AEW&C plane breakingdefense.com - Wed, 31 Jan 2024 posted:As for when another A-50 could find itself a target of Ukrainian aggression, it could be a while. In its mid-January release, British intelligence noted that another an A-50 had apparently replaced the one taken out on Jan. 14, “but this time over land within Russian territory … .”
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Feb 23, 2024 19:08
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mawarannahr posted:Major egg on the face of breakingdefense.com's Reuben Johnson if true arn't there only like 3 of those now.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:11
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Budzilla posted:
Yes its the moral thing to stop sending weapons to this entrenched conflict because they keep ending up in the hands of random terrorists and criminals, but also for lots of other reasons too (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 23, 2024 19:35
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420 Gank Mid posted:"Sure our weapons shipments go missing and unaccounted for at rates up to 70% but whats the big deal???" Where did you get the 70% figure? And there is no evidence whatsoever that anything is ending up in the hands of random terrorists.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:40
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70% lmfbo. Where'd you get that? Grayzone?
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Feb 23, 2024 19:41
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420 Gank Mid posted:"Sure our weapons shipments go missing and unaccounted for at rates up to 70% but whats the big deal???" Would you like to enumerate these other reasons?
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Feb 23, 2024 19:43
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Weapons sent to Ukraine getting to nebulous terrorists or black market has been a favorite tankie fanfic since before the war started.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:43
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420 Gank Mid posted:"Sure our weapons shipments go missing and unaccounted for at rates up to 70% but whats the big deal???" drat, if Ukraine is holding Russia back with 30% of the aid, imagine what you could with the other 70%.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:45
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420 Gank Mid posted:"Sure our weapons shipments go missing and unaccounted for at rates up to 70% but whats the big deal???" 70% is awfully impressive when the unaccounted-for rate is only 5%.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:49
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The other day I actually saw someone driving an Abrams down the street with a "For Ukraine" sticker on it, smh.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:50
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Popete posted:The other day I actually saw someone driving an Abrams down the street with a "For Ukraine" sticker on it, smh. Yeah, and I waved and you didnt wave back
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Feb 23, 2024 19:50
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OddObserver posted:Reports that another Russian A-50 AWACS got shot down... this time apparently over Russia.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:52
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What if they both shot it down simultaneously? Give both sides' AAA a ˝ kill.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:54
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Mr. Apollo posted:Ukrainian Telegram channels are say that it was shot down by Ukrainians. Russian Telegram channels are denying this and are saying that they shot down their own aircraft. That's not a joke btw. Great comeback by the masters of the art of propaganda.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:56
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Mr. Apollo posted:Ukrainian Telegram channels are say that it was shot down by Ukrainians. Russian Telegram channels are denying this and are saying that they shot down their own aircraft. That's not a joke btw. Russians did the same thing for the first A-50. According to Russian milbloggers, Russian air defense shot down two A-50s and an IL-22 in a little over a month.
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Feb 23, 2024 19:58
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Mr. Apollo posted:Ukrainian Telegram channels are say that it was shot down by Ukrainians. Russian Telegram channels are denying this and are saying that they shot down their own aircraft. That's not a joke btw. I'm seeing claims that it was shot down over 220 kilometers from the nearest front line in Ukraine? So maybe add another 20-30 km on top of that as a buffer from the front line to the system that was purportedly involved? People seem to doubt that the Ukrainians could have been involved simply owing to the vast distance between the site of the aircraft going down and the known range of anti-aircraft capabilities Ukraine possesses..
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Feb 23, 2024 20:00
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Mom walks into my room stamps her foot and goes Billy-Joel Lafayette Theodolphus Macramé Staluigi I have been cleaning the living room ALL DAY and walk in there to see you've filled it with seventy percent of the military aid packages for The Ukraine
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Feb 23, 2024 20:00
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I can't resell any of the Ukrainian military aid I pilfered because the market is absolutely flooded. Stop ruining the economy, guys! Also, if true that the A-50 was downed 220km behind enemy lines by Ukraine, I hope there's some absolutely amazing black ops story about it, like smuggling a bomb on board or hijacking a Russian SAM unit in the area (or just bribing the operator to have a weapons malfunction).
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Feb 23, 2024 20:06
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Mr. Apollo posted:Ukrainian Telegram channels are say that it was shot down by Ukrainians. Russian Telegram channels are denying this and are saying that they shot down their own aircraft. That's not a joke btw. Self immolation continues to give Putin the moral high ground against Ukraine. 
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Feb 23, 2024 20:07
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420 Gank Mid posted:"Sure our weapons shipments go missing and unaccounted for at rates up to 70% but whats the big deal???" Also which terrorists? Hamas? The houthis?
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Feb 23, 2024 20:12
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Very concerning that Ukraine allegedly loses track of 75% of all aid. I wonder where the stolen 80% of aid ends up. Doesn't it concern you that 90% of what we give to Ukraine is given straight to Al Qaeda?
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Feb 23, 2024 20:26
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Almost 100% of all aid given to Ukraine ends up in the hands of terrorists, Russian media reports
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Feb 23, 2024 20:28
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steinrokkan posted:Very concerning that Ukraine allegedly loses track of 75% of all aid. I wonder where the stolen 80% of aid ends up. Doesn't it concern you that 90% of what we give to Ukraine is given straight to Al Qaeda? Did you read the same post that I read? It says weapons shipments, not all aid, and it says rates up to 70%, not 75, 80, or 90%. Here: quote:"Sure our weapons shipments go missing and unaccounted for at rates up to 70% but whats the big deal???"
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Feb 23, 2024 20:29
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mawarannahr posted:Did you read the same post that I read? It says weapons shipments, not all aid, and it says rates up to 70%, not 75, 80, or 90%. Here: I'm not exactly sure how 70% of all weapon shipments doesn't at least probably mean some approximately large chunk of all aid; unless that 70% is just amazon delivery of individual clips of bullets? In any case is there a source for this? And for the implication that this overwhelmingly ends up in the hands of terrorists? The post made two very clearly connected claims. Both need to be addressed.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:33
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Almost 100% of all aid given to Ukraine ends up in the hands of terrorists, Russian media reports You forgot captured Russian gear then being sold to Russia, gotta be more than 100%
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Feb 23, 2024 20:34
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mawarannahr posted:Did you read the same post that I read? It says weapons shipments, not all aid, and it says rates up to 70%, not 75, 80, or 90%. Here: Just so you know, they're making fun of the fact that 420 mid gank's post is making up a really high number out of wholecloth. That's the point of it going up every time they mention a number in the joke. Starsfan posted:I'm seeing claims that it was shot down over 220 kilometers from the nearest front line in Ukraine? So maybe add another 20-30 km on top of that as a buffer from the front line to the system that was purportedly involved? People seem to doubt that the Ukrainians could have been involved simply owing to the vast distance between the site of the aircraft going down and the known range of anti-aircraft capabilities Ukraine possesses.. I mean, you'd think it was even more embarrassing to Russia that they shot down one of their extremely valuable and limited AWAC planes THAT far away from the border that there was no way it could be a Ukrainian plane.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:35
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm not exactly sure how 70% of all weapon shipments doesn't at least probably mean some approximately large chunk of all aid; unless that 70% is just amazon delivery of individual clips of bullets? In any case is there a source for this? And for the implication that this overwhelmingly ends up in the hands of terrorists? The post made two very clearly connected claims. Both need to be addressed. I have no idea and I did not make those claims, but I don't think the response was on the mark.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:35
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mawarannahr posted:Did you read the same post that I read? It says weapons shipments, not all aid, and it says rates up to 70%, not 75, 80, or 90%. Here: Looking into it
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Feb 23, 2024 20:35
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mawarannahr posted:I have no idea and I did not make those claims, but I don't think the response was on the mark. The problem is "rates up to 70%" could mean one shipment was hit by a russian missile and 70% destroyed and literally every other shipment ever has been tracked and delivered without issue. "Rates up to" is gibberish junk, which is why people are mocking the number.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:37
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mawarannahr posted:I have no idea and I did not make those claims, but I don't think the response was on the mark. I'm a little flummuxed here, your response is to suggest an argument you actually had no idea was true or not?
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Feb 23, 2024 20:38
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Kchama posted:I mean, you'd think it was even more embarrassing to Russia that they shot down one of their extremely valuable and limited AWAC planes THAT far away from the border that there was no way it could be a Ukrainian plane. Given the amount of Ukrainian aid being resold, it's possible that Russia ended up shooting down their own aircraft with a weapon originally supplied to Ukraine!
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Feb 23, 2024 20:39
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mawarannahr posted:I have no idea and I did not make those claims, but I don't think the response was on the mark. The point of the response was that op's argument was silly, with made up numbers and absurd accusations designed to sow fear, if not by op, then by the propaganda outlet they got that information from. You can replace the individual fabricated claims with increasingly outlandish accusations and insinuations to ratchet up the anti Ukrainian sentiment in a process of long term rhetorical manipulation, and that seems to be exactly what is going on.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:40
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this thread is laughing while serbian gangsters enforce their protection rackets with f-16s sporting stand-off range cruise missiles, sad
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Feb 23, 2024 20:40
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm a little flummuxed here, your response is to suggest an argument you actually had no idea was true or not? The response took to the OP's claim regarding weapons shipments and but responded as if the claim applied to all aid. I have no opinion on the claim itself, but I think the response was to a claim that was not made. steinrokkan posted:The point of the response was that op's argument was silly, with made up numbers and absurd accusations designed to sow fear, if not by op, then by the propaganda outlet they got that information from. You can replace the individual fabricated claims with increasingly outlandish accusations and insinuations to ratchet up the anti Ukrainian sentiment in a process of long term rhetorical manipulation, and that seems to be exactly what is going on. Ah. For my sake, please say what you mean next time.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:40
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:this thread is laughing while serbian gangsters enforce their protection rackets with f-16s sporting stand-off range cruise missiles, sad 70% of arms are sold to Dr. Evil, the remaining 30% is used to protect the warehouses of Western weapons from Ukrainian soldiers trying to use them to fight Russians.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:43
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I agree, Iran and the DPRK should stop sending weapons to Russia.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:46
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm a little flummuxed here, your response is to suggest an argument you actually had no idea was true or not? Well any conclusion follows from false premises.
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Feb 23, 2024 20:52
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