USCE 2024: Macklemore Is The New Michael Moore

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PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

its only been a few days, give the fundies the weekend to bark(and gather some dark money) at the rest of the party before they(non fundies) pivot back

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davecrazy: Nov 25, 2004; I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Someone pointed out that during Amy Comey Barrett�s confirmation hearing she would not say she would vote to keep IVF legal if a case came before her regarding that

Trump is full of poo poo but correctly realizes that fetal personhood is a huge political loser even among Republicans

He didn't write that truth post.

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Killer robot: Sep 6, 2010; I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!; Pillbug

Main Paineframe posted:

I didn't say that all criticism of Biden sounds completely insane, I'm saying that right-wingers are having a difficult time finding something to criticize about Biden that doesn't sound completely insane.

It's kind of like how there were tons of valid criticisms of Obama from the left, but the right was so hard up for Obama scandals that they had to make big fusses about tan suits and flag pins just to have something to talk about that wasn't birtherist nonsense or Obama brownshirts conspiracy theories.

Even people with legitimate criticisms often add on, or even focus on, insane things. Either to add spice because they feel the legitimate part feels like a boring point or doesn't carry enough weight on its own, or because it's easier to work up a good head of righteous anger when your opponent is not just wrong about something important, but fractally wrong about everything on every level. And both of those impulses know no partisanship. The problem with that is that the insane stuff both discredits the real argument by its proximity to bullshit, and makes the speaker seem less sincere and more like your chud relative trying to legitimize an Islamophobic rant by talking about how the Saudis treat women and gay people or something.

# ? Feb 23, 2024 22:07

Shammypants: May 25, 2004; Let me tell you about true luxury.

Couldn't any wacky nurse or doctor stir up poo poo over IVF and sue? Isn't there still a ton of liability and risk here for providers?

# ? Feb 23, 2024 22:25

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Shammypants posted:

Couldn't any wacky nurse or doctor stir up poo poo over IVF and sue? Isn't there still a ton of liability and risk here for providers?

Yes, and everyone knows it. A promise not to prosecute has no real weight, IVF is fully chilled in Alabama until the legal environment changes

# ? Feb 23, 2024 22:28

Kchama: Jul 25, 2007

Shammypants posted:

Couldn't any wacky nurse or doctor stir up poo poo over IVF and sue? Isn't there still a ton of liability and risk here for providers?

Yes, this is why IVF is now dead in Alabama.

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L. Ron DeSantis: Nov 10, 2009

In other terrible Florida laws that haven't passed yet but are certain to, a bill is making its way through the legislature that outs trans people on their driver's licenses and also mandates that insurance pay for conversion therapy.
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/...39/72687118007/

Florida Today posted:

Florida bill mandating sex on licenses, coverage of conversion therapy passes final committee
The bill mandates the coverage of conversion therapy by insurance and requires sex at birth on driver licenses.
Finch Walker
Florida Today

The process to get an "M" gender marker on Jude Speegle's driver's license took nearly half a year.

It was a process Speegle, a 29-year-old transgender man from Volusia County, said he followed to the letter of the law.

But he's not sure where things stand, with House Bill 1639, which requires a person's sex at birth to be on their driver's license, advancing through its final House committee Thursday, and a rule from the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles stating that "misrepresenting" your gender constitutes "criminal and civil" fraud.

"Is my ID valid? Am I committing fraud? If I get pulled over for something and (am) clocked as transgender, can they take my license and impound my vehicle?" he said. "Me being transgender is a private medical matter."

The bill also would require insurance companies to cover conversion therapy � a method that attempts to correct one's transgender identity. It must pass the Senate before it can head to Gov. Ron DeSantis' desk.

Only about 1.32% of teens in Florida identify as transgender, with about 0.55% of Floridian adults identifying as transgender, according to a 2022 publication from the Williams Institute at UCLA.

What does the bill say about driver's licenses?
The bill, sponsored by Rep. Doug Bankson, R-Apopka, and Rep. Dean Black, R-Jacksonville, proposes changing the gender marker on Florida driver's licenses to a sex marker. This would require every person with a driver's license to put their sex at birth on the document, regardless of whether or not they were transgender and had undergone medical transition.

The bill would also require DHSMV to update its policies regarding applicants' sex instead of gender, though the department went ahead and sent a memo regarding not allowing people to put their gender on driver's licenses ahead of the passage of the bill.

Quinn Diaz, public policy associate for Equality Florida, raised concerns about this putting Florida out of compliance with the Federal Real ID Act, saying it would impact all Floridians.

"The Real ID Act requires that states features the gender on the license," they said.

"(The passage of this bill) would potentially make Florida licenses ineligible for use in boarding domestic flights, and that would apply to folks across the board, not just transgender people."

A person holds a transgender flag.
Transgender Floridians have raised more personal concerns about the bill since it was filed in January, saying it would forcibly out them to law enforcement, emergency service providers and others.

While Black has said the bill is "simply about biology," Speegle said that information should remain private.

"If I'm in a car accident and need to be treated by an EMT and they're surprised by my body parts, that changes nothing," he said. "They can move on."

Democrats also raised concerns about whether the bill would be in violation of the Federal Real ID Act, which requires a person's gender on identification and licenses.

Sponsors admitted at the third committee hearing that there may be litigation regarding this area of the bill, should it pass.

Clinic forced to close:Clinic serving Brevard's LGBTQ community will close by end of February

DHSMV rule:Florida barring gender changes on driver's license puts trans residents at risk, critics say

What about insurance?
HB 1639 would also require insurances to pay for conversion therapy, as well as coverage of care for "detransitioners" � or people who regret transitioning and seek care to undo the medical treatment they received.

WPATH standards, updated in 2022, say that psychotherapy could be helpful for transgender people. However, it shouldn't be a requirement to access gender-affirming care. They are in opposition of conversion therapy and say it should not be offered.

Throughout the three committees, Democrats raised concerns about creating barriers to care for transgender people, saying it may make insurance costs more expensive for trans Floridians or might make insurance companies less likely to cover their care altogether.

Diaz said Equality Florida is concerned that the bill could raise insurance costs for all Floridians.

"We know that ... increasing premiums increases costs for everyone across the board, whether or not they are seeking that type of coverage that requires the additional premium," they said.

The treatment of gender dysphoria, or the feeling that one's gender does not align with their sex at birth, through gender-affirming care is backed by nearly every major medical association in America. Treatment can include puberty blockers, hormone-replacement therapy and surgery.

That care was banned for all minors last year in Florida with Senate Bill 254, though a judge preliminarily blocked the enforcement of the law for minors. The law also limited care for transgender adults so that prescriptions can only be provided through an in-person visit with an M.D. or D.O, where adults must sign a state-approved informed consent document. That part of the law was not blocked.

There is no Senate companion bill for HB 1639. It will head to the House floor for a full vote and, if passed, will go into effect July 1.

Finch Walker is the education reporter at FLORIDA TODAY. Contact Walker at fwalker@floridatoday.com. X: @_finchwalker

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KillHour: Oct 28, 2007

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Florida's legislature passed a law that is going to immediately trigger a legal case they will probably lose, but will be interesting to see.

They are attempting to ban all forms of social media for people 16 and under that feature auto-scrolls, feeds, or "addictive features" designed to cause excessive or addictive use.

They believe they will get around any potential first amendment issues because it only applies to minors and only targets specific harmful features rather than speech itself.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n..._source=twitter

Florida did a good thing!? What the hell.

L. Ron DeSantis posted:

In other terrible Florida laws that haven't passed yet but are certain to, a bill is making its way through the legislature that outs trans people on their driver's licenses and also mandates that insurance pay for conversion therapy.
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/...39/72687118007/

There it is. Everything is back to normal.

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PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

KillHour posted:

Florida did a good thing!? What the hell.

not really and while im an electronic old man posting on a dead gay message board and hates social media, that isnt the way help with youth tech problems or mental/emotional health problems.

# ? Feb 23, 2024 23:43

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

KillHour posted:

Florida did a good thing!? What the hell.

Hatred of mainstream social media companies is relatively bipartisan, although the reasons for it vary between the parties. MAGA Republicans are super mad at social media companies because they think that the entire tech industry is run by rabid socialists who are censoring conservatives and destroying free speech to impose a woke agenda, so they're generally open to heavily regulating social media companies.

# ? Feb 23, 2024 23:44

L. Ron DeSantis: Nov 10, 2009

KillHour posted:

Florida did a good thing!? What the hell.

There it is. Everything is back to normal.

The "good thing" bill also mandates age verification for porn so add another state to the pile where a VPN is mandatory. I swear "Today's bill is sponsored by NordVPN/SurfShark/Private Internet Access"
I'm an adult but I'm not eager to provide personal info to view sexytime.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 00:17

Angry_Ed: Mar 30, 2010; Grimey Drawer

Raenir Salazar posted:

Honestly the sooner we can properly age gate the internet the better.

the operative word here is "properly" and so far nobody's actually trying to do that. Neither is this bill.

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Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Looks like Oklahoma, land of draconian gender laws, is also letting kids get beaten to death in High school:

Though apparently they died from magical nonbinary reasons and definitely not the vicious beating.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/us/oklahoma-teen-death-school-fight/index.html

quote:

A 16-year-old student died following a fight at an Oklahoma high school � and as an investigation into the cause of death continues, advocates point to a heightened and hostile climate against the LGBTQ+ community.

Nex Benedict, whose family says identified as nonbinary, died February 8, one day after they told their family they and a transgender student were involved in a fight with others at Owasso High School. Police in Owasso are investigating.

It is not clear if or how the fight contributed to Nex�s death. Police in Owasso have not called the investigation criminal and said Wednesday that early autopsy findings indicate Nex did not die as a result of trauma.

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Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; College Slice

Angry_Ed posted:

the operative word here is "properly" and so far nobody's actually trying to do that. Neither is this bill.

Sure, I doubt Florida under the GOP is going to do so sure. But its one of those things where sometimes seeing bad attempts can seem like small progress to the frustrated.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 00:41

L. Ron DeSantis: Nov 10, 2009

Jaxyon posted:

Looks like Oklahoma, land of draconian gender laws, is also letting kids get beaten to death in High school:

Though apparently they died from magical nonbinary reasons and definitely not the vicious beating.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/us/oklahoma-teen-death-school-fight/index.html

Yeah this story is a few days old and Chaya Raichick (aka Libs of TikTok) is very upset about people calling her out for her schotastic terrorism. Everything is fine!

# ? Feb 24, 2024 00:43

KillHour: Oct 28, 2007

PhazonLink posted:

not really and while im an electronic old man posting on a dead gay message board and hates social media, that isnt the way help with youth tech problems or mental/emotional health problems.

Ignoring the stupid age verification for porn thing above, regulating features that are known and designed to be addictive is a good thing. Social media companies use the exact same psychological tricks that f2p games do, except they're monetizing your eyeballs instead of your wallet.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 00:45

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Please don't give my lovely state credit for this social media bill. It's just them being stupid about it and even the governor doesn't think it will survive a court challenge.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 01:41

gloom: Feb 1, 2003; distracted from distraction by distraction

FlamingLiberal posted:

Please don't give my lovely state credit for this social media bill. It's just them being stupid about it and even the governor doesn't think it will survive a court challenge.

Yeah, the social media bill appears to be about strengthening parents� control over children�s social media exposure so they aren�t being brainwashed by �gender ideology� on TikTok or wherever. It�s transparently about children�s wellbeing in the same way that banning abortion is about �protecting the unborn.� Please don�t fall for it even if dark patterns and loot boxes are also very bad.

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Trazz: Jun 11, 2008

I wonder how many times Alexander Smirnov's name appears in the Mueller report(behind redactions of course)

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Staluigi: Jun 22, 2021

Jaxyon posted:

Though apparently they died from magical nonbinary reasons and definitely not the vicious beating.

intracranial hematoma can stealth buildup for weeks after head trauma and this family needs to trust the podunk-rear end oklahoma medical examiner exactly 0% on a determination supposedly excluding trauma, and get some additional opinion on this

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Young Freud: Nov 26, 2006

Staluigi posted:

intracranial hematoma can stealth buildup for weeks after head trauma and this family needs to trust the podunk-rear end oklahoma medical examiner exactly 0% on a determination supposedly excluding trauma, and get some additional opinion on this

The doctors probably recommended them to sleep it off, the absolutely worst thing you can say to someone with a head injury.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Feb 24, 2024

# ? Feb 24, 2024 04:06

Staluigi: Jun 22, 2021

Young Freud posted:

The doctors probably recommended them to sleep it off, the absolutely worst thing you can say to someone with a head injury.

Where she is in OK is a place perfectly representative of how much more degenerated the rest of our medical system might be in a handful of years so i am NOT going to be surprised if between a ER visit and some kind of clinic or UC visit the victim never received diagnostic imaging that should be mandatory when you get your head bashed

# ? Feb 24, 2024 04:16

volts5000: Apr 7, 2009; It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.

Trump�s cooking tonight at the Black Conservative Federation.

https://x.com/jitendersehra21/status/1761220030539481413?s=46&t=ziKKPUah_WmpOgrzym-sFg

https://x.com/bidenhq/status/1761219165220647288?s=46&t=ziKKPUah_WmpOgrzym-sFg

https://x.com/bidenhq/status/1761214656687865928?s=46&t=ziKKPUah_WmpOgrzym-sFg

https://x.com/bidenhq/status/1761226715542560851?s=46&t=ziKKPUah_WmpOgrzym-sFg

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Kagrenak: Sep 8, 2010

Young Freud posted:

The doctors probably recommended them to sleep it off, the absolutely worst thing you can say to someone with a head injury.

While the doctors clearly should have done a evaluation and ordered imaging to rule out a bleed caused by the head trauma, It's a myth that sleep in the acute phase of a TBI is actively dangerous. The main danger of going to sleep is that you're delaying seeking appropriate care. In the chronic phase of a TBI, sleep quality is often disturbed and restoring proper sleep function is becoming increasingly clear as a main factor in recovering from a TBI. Sleeping after a concussion is exactly what you want to be doing as soon as you've confirmed you're not bleeding into your skull.

Patient guidelines from the CDC stressing the importance of rest following an mTBI:
https://www.cdc.gov/headsup/pdfs/providers/fact_sheet_concusstbi-a.pdf

Some scholarly literature about sleep disturbances and their links to TBI and its prognosis:
https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/full/10.5664/jcsm.5598
https://academic.oup.com/sleep/article/41/10/zsy147/5057802

If you hit your head, go get checked out, if you're not feeling fully aware, press for a CT. But after you do that, go home and sleep as much as you need and use your waking time to ease back into your life until you need to sleep again. Repeat. That's the best treatment we have for concussion basically.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 04:36

Sarcastro: Dec 28, 2000; Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

mawarannahr posted:

I feel like the cnn international edition homepage used to be markedly better and less tabloid-y than the US one, but it seems about the same now in that regard

On a side note, the other day, for about an hour, I was getting a popup when I clicked on articles on CNN.com that said I had reached my article limit for the day and would need to sign up for a free account. Clicking on the little (i) link in that message brought up another one that said they were testing the system out only for some users. CNN paywall is coming.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 05:02

Young Freud: Nov 26, 2006

It gets worse. When asked to comment about the death of Nex Benedict, OK state senator Tom Woods goes on an anti-queer rant telling the audience that "Oklahoma is a religious state" and that queer people "don't want to live here" and "we don't want that filth in our state"...
https://x.com/AriDrennen/status/1761224802222928188?s=20
Just seeing someone not even pretended to care that a kid died but call them "filth" is just speechless.

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Sarcastro: Dec 28, 2000; Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

Grown men wearing cowboy hats indoors.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 05:06

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

davecrazy posted:

He didn't write that truth post.

I think he did. And if he didn't, it's a statement from his campaign.

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PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Sarcastro posted:

Grown men wearing cowboy hats indoors.

native Texan goons say its always the out of state-ers that do that virtual signalling peacocking crap . they tryhard super hard with their hats, boots, and stringy tie thing (sorry brain fart made me forget), is it the same with OK state?

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Jesus III: May 23, 2007

String or Bolo ties.

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AsInHowe: Jan 11, 2007; red winged angel

haveblue posted:

At this point we gotta start wondering if that dog knows something we don't

Morrow posted:

Honestly I trust the dog.

Vote Commander in the primary

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lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

its rude to wear any sort of hat indoors, and those state reps should be harshly punished

# ? Feb 24, 2024 15:47

Shooting Blanks: Jun 6, 2007; Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade

PhazonLink posted:

native Texan goons say its always the out of state-ers that do that virtual signalling peacocking crap . they tryhard super hard with their hats, boots, and stringy tie thing (sorry brain fart made me forget), is it the same with OK state?

Houstonian here. The only time I ever see anyone wearing cowboy hats/boots is at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, where probably 75% of the crowd does. For most of those folks, it's the only occasion throughout the year where they do it.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 15:56

FLIPADELPHIA: Apr 27, 2007; Heavy Shit; Grimey Drawer

Okie here and in this state, we don't need to import chuds. In fact we probably have the chuddiest non transplant population in the country. The suburbs are infested with giant polished Ford f-950s or whatever, and the rural areas are even worse.

OKC itself is pretty tolerable though. Overt displays of chudditude are pretty rare.

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Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

PhazonLink posted:

not really and while im an electronic old man posting on a dead gay message board and hates social media, that isnt the way help with youth tech problems or mental/emotional health problems.

That�s fine as long as it gets rid of infinite scrolling pages

# ? Feb 24, 2024 17:02

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Young Freud posted:

It gets worse. When asked to comment about the death of Nex Benedict, OK state senator Tom Woods goes on an anti-queer rant telling the audience that "Oklahoma is a religious state" and that queer people "don't want to live here" and "we don't want that filth in our state"...
https://x.com/AriDrennen/status/1761224802222928188?s=20
Just seeing someone not even pretended to care that a kid died but call them "filth" is just speechless.

It�s actually worse. He basically gives some mealy mouthed didn�t hear about it and sad that it happened and then a big BUT and goes on that long bullshit to assuage himself and sorta use the base as an excuse and shield. And he gets cheers.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 17:16

Mustang: Jun 18, 2006; “We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

These are the same people that complain about coastal liberal "elites" looking down on them.

Hard not too with the utterly repulsive way they live their lives.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 17:26

Mooseontheloose: May 13, 2003

Mustang posted:

These are the same people that complain about coastal liberal "elites" looking down on them.

Hard not too with the utterly repulsive way they live their lives.

This also reminds me that in 2016 we were all told we were living in a bubble and they we don't understand these people, we have to make the attempt. Never the other way around mind you, that's not how this works.

# ? Feb 24, 2024 18:37

Sarcastro: Dec 28, 2000; Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

Mooseontheloose posted:

This also reminds me that in 2016 we were all told we were living in a bubble and they we don't understand these people, we have to make the attempt. Never the other way around mind you, that's not how this works.

I've enjoyed, from time to time, looking up the "lives in" location of someone on FB who tells me or someone similarly situated that we "live in a bubble." Invariably it's someone living in a town of 2,000 in a county of 20,000 (98% white, obviously), speaking to those of us who live in a metro area with eight million.

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Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Mustang posted:

These are the same people that complain about coastal liberal "elites" looking down on them.

Hard not too with the utterly repulsive way they live their lives.

Never apologize or feel bad for looking down on these folks

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