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LE's campaign is better than most but it's still forcing you do the exact same layouts every time, following the exact same routes, mashing through the same conversation, watching through the same unskippable setpieces, etc.
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Jack Trades posted:LE's campaign is better than most but it's still forcing you do the exact same layouts every time, following the exact same routes, mashing through the same conversation, watching through the same unskippable setpieces, etc. The fact that LE's layouts are pregen and not procgen must be next level of boring
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Feb 24, 2024 11:05
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Wasn't this game basically made by 20 people or something
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Co-op so far has been very smooth. We had no failed transitions (meaning 1 or more ppl got their personal instance)
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Feb 24, 2024 12:12
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Erulisse posted:Because people in poe, for example, already have an option to do campaign in 3 hours or less, with twink gear even faster This is extreme PoE brain. Most people can't complete the campaign in 3 hours, even with twink items Herstory Begins Now posted:
How? You need to get sulphite from somewhere.
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Feb 24, 2024 12:15
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Falconer is pretty stupid. I'm still leveling but right now I'm just alternating the falcon screen wipe with a 0 mana ability and the only time I'm stuck with a cooldown is when the falcon accidentally does too much damage.
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Feb 24, 2024 12:32
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NPR Journalizard posted:This is extreme PoE brain. Most people can't complete the campaign in 3 hours, even with twink items Yeah picking up singular wisdoms and transmutes in a7 and not having quicksilver flask up most of the time does that. As much as just doing full clear of zones. Or afking. IDing all the rares and going back and forth to town to vendor thrice per zone. If a person is able to play "hideout floor is lava", that person can be as fast in campaign as in maps NPR Journalizard posted:How? You need to get sulphite from somewhere. On your second and forth characters each league, sulphite and depths are shared but not one person does this shortcut because lol, campaign is faster
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Feb 24, 2024 12:35
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Erulisse posted:The fact that LE's layouts are pregen and not procgen must be next level of boring Having the same level keep the same visual style and plot beats, but just have a different general shape doesn't feel much better.
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Feb 24, 2024 12:37
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Erulisse posted:Yeah picking up singular wisdoms and transmutes in a7 and not having quicksilver flask up most of the time does that. Erulisse posted:On your second and forth characters each league, sulphite and depths are shared but not one person does this shortcut because lol, campaign is faster
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Feb 24, 2024 13:31
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Servers seem better today although still occasional long load times and I've had to restart the game twice. Blasted through act 6 of the campaign for my passives/idol slots and then did the Julra skip to act 9 to unlock CoF, and the legendary I made actually hit the affixes I wanted so if I decide to level a Runemaster I have a godly twink wand for him at level 24 with almost +300% cold damage.
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Feb 24, 2024 13:43
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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It's really nice that Monoliths run absolutely perfect. No wait times, no disconnects or lag, feels basically like offline mode. Also:  Let's see where we'll end up.
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Feb 24, 2024 13:48
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NPR Journalizard posted:Most people will not be within an hour of him, even if they do play floor is lava Yes, because most people never try. they bitch and moan and cry they hate campaign and need a shortcut. "Most people" are dumb.
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Feb 24, 2024 13:53
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PSA to anyone else playing offline: https://www.nexusmods.com/lastepoch/mods/4 lets you enable auto pickup and stashing of shards (among many other fun tweaks, might even let you skip the campaign, I haven't poked around much).
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Feb 24, 2024 14:09
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Imagine arguing that, actually, making people do things they don’t find fun is ACTUALLY fun. Adventure mode/campaign skips are good. Most players aren’t burning through PoEs 10 acts in 3 hours. Hell I’m familiar and it takes me 10 and some of that is me afking or grabbing caffeine because grinding through it is boring. If you don’t like those modes, the campaign would still be right there.
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Feb 24, 2024 14:27
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totalnewbie posted:Wasn't this game basically made by 20 people or something Saw a post by a dev the other day saying that they started at 6 people and are at 90 now. Could well be that a large part of the game there were around 20 or so
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Feb 24, 2024 14:30
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Saxophone posted:Imagine arguing that, actually, making people do things they don’t find fun is ACTUALLY fun. Have you ever considered that you don't know what you find enjoyable and only some videogame dev knows what makes you happy? In this essay I will...
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Feb 24, 2024 14:35
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Man does it feel nice reaching 50 bleed stacks on a boss before their health bar suddenly empties.
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Feb 24, 2024 14:42
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100% of the time without fail if you suggest that perhaps the old bad grindy ways are old and bad and grindy, Gamers will jump out of the woodwork to explain to you why you won't actually enjoy what you want It's sort of funny in the context of stuff like campaign skips, it's wildly unfunny in the context of accessibility options (for the record I loving hate the poe campaign and love that D4 lets me skip it and immediately go do seasonal poo poo with friends)
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Feb 24, 2024 14:52
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the campaign skips in this game exists in several ways though
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Feb 24, 2024 14:53
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so glad that last epoch 1.0 launched, featuring a brand new path of exile campaign.
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Feb 24, 2024 14:59
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I had a prophecy to kill 6 rare enemies, did a few monoliths and got no progress on it, went and picked up a new prophecy to kill 7 rare enemies, and now that one has completed after another mono and the first one still hasn't lol.
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Feb 24, 2024 15:09
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Help, my old bad grindy game is old bad and grindy! I refuse to play what suits me and what I find fun, I DEMAND your ways be changed! CATER MY DEMANDS!
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Feb 24, 2024 15:22
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Tonetta posted:the campaign skips in this game exists in several ways though I tried leveling via the dungeon route a few patches ago and it didn't seem much faster than doing the campaign normally? You still have to do a bunch of campaign to reach the skip points and then of course the dungeons themselves take time. Cool that its there but I don't think it really does anything to help people who hate leveling.
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Feb 24, 2024 15:28
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victrix posted:100% of the time without fail if you suggest that perhaps the old bad grindy ways are old and bad and grindy, Gamers will jump out of the woodwork to explain to you why you won't actually enjoy what you want Yeah, reading the same old arguments is getting tiring. I just don't really understand why I need to do a video game chore before I get to the fun part? No, I don't necessarily want to flat out skip leveling, I just don't want to do the same exact actions, in the same exact order, talking to the same exact people, skipping the same exact dialogue... for like 60 levels before I get to the endgame content where my build looks more like my build. Probably the best option would be some kind of accelerated leveling that takes maybe an hour or so via maps, dungeons, whatever. Being able to get my timing down on the campaign via speedrun strats is a bandaid, not some kind of solution. I still don't find that time spent fun even if I'm spending less of my time doing it.
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MMF Freeway posted:I tried leveling via the dungeon route a few patches ago and it didn't seem much faster than doing the campaign normally? You still have to do a bunch of campaign to reach the skip points and then of course the dungeons themselves take time. Cool that its there but I don't think it really does anything to help people who hate leveling. you can have a friend invite you to an empowered monolith at level one and you'll be level 50 in like 5 minutes. without assistance, you can drop the campaign the moment you enter the end of time, assuming you're skilled/geared enough.
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Hating a mandatory repetitious campaign is totally understandable but I'm trying and failing to imagine why someone would play an ARPG if they hate the very concept of levelling.
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Feb 24, 2024 15:39
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Tonetta posted:you can have a friend invite you to an empowered monolith at level one and you'll be level 50 in like 5 minutes. these aren't really skips though because you'll be going back to the campaign (up to chapter 8) to unlock your passives and idol slots
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Ugh I've gotta click these monsters on those maps to get to the bit where I can click the same monsters on the same maps, what gives???
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Erulisse posted:Yes, because most people never try. they bitch and moan and cry they hate campaign and need a shortcut. lol Jesus Christ
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Volte posted:Hating a mandatory repetitious campaign is totally understandable but I'm trying and failing to imagine why someone would play an ARPG if they hate the very concept of levelling. I try to understand people personally because I hate arpgs and I love poe for the variability and replayability. No other game outside eve online, albion online and pathofexile cater to my creative tastes. And I equally hate all 3 of these. Then again, a marvel when your poe build starts to function, "clicks" together during leveling or later is yet another neat itch to be scratched. Because whats in the maps? Endless maps aka repetitive content, doing same old kill mobs, next zone? Hows that different from campaign? But no maps are diff~ Okay. Yet again I ask same question, what size should be "WIN" button on character creation screen and at what map tier new twink characters should be dropped?
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To quote The Wire: "It's all in the game". There are other games if this one doesn't meet their needs.
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i think we should all try books instead of whatever this pointless arpg poo poo is
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Deformed Church posted:i think we should all try books instead of whatever this pointless arpg poo poo is You expect me to start with Dr Seuss? I want to read Ulysses right now!
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Volte posted:Hating a mandatory repetitious campaign is totally understandable but I'm trying and failing to imagine why someone would play an ARPG if they hate the very concept of levelling. Biggest reasons players tend not to like leveling that I've seen: Lack of buttons to press: clicking monsters isn't as fun when you don't have your full kit Loot at low levels is bad: clicking monsters isn't as fun when you can't get good loot Endgame progress stalled: clicking monsters isn't as fun when you're not working towards your overarching goals LE specific: their campaign just isn't that good even before it gets repetitive
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 What's the 'Rank 2' refer to? 
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King Cocoa Butter posted:I agree with the above post, I've run both PoE and LE campaigns a million times and LE feels less tedious. It's still tedious, but a full skip + free level up like an MMO also isn't the answer because the power progression is a core feature of ARPGs. you can just waltz into monoliths at level 35, maybe 40 if your build is bad. its fine. you already have what you want, and it rules
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Took me a minute to login. Now looking like even longer to travel to my first zone for the day. A new record on concurrent players right now - 225k. Gonna be a rough weekend. Last night things were reasonably solid.
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To me the best part of ARPGs are the breakpoints where you gain some big boosts to power or speed. But you can't appreciate going faster or doing more damage if you don't spend some time going slower and doing less damage. There's a delicate balance between too much slowness/tedium and too much gratification, but both are necessary for the ideal ARPG experience to me. If you only want the gratification with no slowness, well, there's offline mode with character editors I guess, or power levelling, or whatever other techniques you can find. I'm fine with whatever people want out of a game, I don't think they're wrong, I just don't want the game to become all gratification all the time by design because that isn't interesting to me in this genre.
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Sab669 posted:What's the 'Rank 2' refer to? that's the faction requirement to equip that gear.
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Sab669 posted:
Think you need to be rank 2 with the relevant faction to be able to equip this item?
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