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Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians. https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1761249450998022442
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# ? Feb 24, 2024 22:22 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 05:34 |
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Printing outright fabrications as fact is nothing new for the NYT, but it's especially egregious when it serves to fuel a genocide. I would hope there will be actually consequences for this, but it's the US, so there won't be. Lots of news about hostage negotiations today, but I've learned it's best to treat anything as trash unless it comes directly out of the mouths of Hamas leaders or netanyahu. On that front, it's the same immoveable stalemate. Seems like everyone is just waiting for the rafah invasion.
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# ? Feb 24, 2024 23:01 |
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Jaxyon posted:Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians. As an American, I love that they used the extraordinarily evil acts of us dropping nukes on civilians as justification for genocide.
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# ? Feb 24, 2024 23:06 |
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Jaxyon posted:Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians. I can't seem to find the article this guy wrote anywhere.
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# ? Feb 24, 2024 23:12 |
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socialsecurity posted:I can't seem to find the article this guy wrote anywhere. was this an emergency scrubbing, did they scrap it faster than the tom cotton op ed or what's up with it
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# ? Feb 24, 2024 23:16 |
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She is a woman. https://www.nytimes.com/by/anat-schwartz
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# ? Feb 24, 2024 23:20 |
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Oh I missed the part where she was liking the other guys posts.
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# ? Feb 24, 2024 23:22 |
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In West Bank news: https://apnews.com/article/israel-settlements-illegitimate-palestine-biden-rescind-law-0bed7cf5d6f98012193e9f5075eb719a quote:The Biden administration on Friday restored a U.S. legal finding dating back nearly 50 years that Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are “illegitimate” under international law. (The Israeli ambassador and) the US House Speaker are not happy: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-house-speaker-slams-biden-administration-for-restoring-policy-against-israeli-settlements/ Your Brain on Hugs posted:Printing outright fabrications as fact is nothing new for the NYT, but it's especially egregious when it serves to fuel a genocide. I would hope there will be actually consequences for this, but it's the US, so there won't be. Netanyahu has apparently been saying "yeah fine I'm glad negotiations are moving forward, anyway this week I'll be planning the invasion of Rafah with my top commanders" Israeli media, anonymous sources, etc, so grain of salt on both the details and the fairly disgusting framing, but "Times of Israel posted:Multiple reports indicated the outline includes the release in the first phase of some 40 hostages held in Gaza, including women, children, female soldiers and elderly and ill abductees, amid a pause in fighting of some six weeks.
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# ? Feb 25, 2024 00:42 |
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Jaxyon posted:Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians. Reminds me of when I was young and I listened to radioman Scott Wilder declare that we should close the borders of Iraq, pull everyone out of the country, and then nuke every city, and send in roving death squads to shoot everything that moves. This was in response to the mercs being killed in Al-Fallujah.
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# ? Feb 25, 2024 01:25 |
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socialsecurity posted:I can't seem to find the article this guy wrote anywhere. It was the discredited article with zero evidence, that interviewed an Israeli special forces who was off duty at Nova Music festival. He was interviewed immediately after the attack and made no mention of rapes, but had come up with many lurid, explicit details when interviewed by this Zionist Supremacist. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html quote:She said the men congregated along the road and passed between them assault rifles, grenades, small missiles — and badly wounded women. It was a very famous article printed last year. It basically kicked off all those Zionist protests where women were wearing white clothes with fake blood to appear sexually assaulted.
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# ? Feb 25, 2024 14:51 |
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Occupation forces have investigated themselves, and don't think they killed that 6-year old girl and her family https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-initial-probe/ I guess the Israeli tank her sister was telling the Red Crescent dispatcher about must have been driving itself.
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# ? Feb 25, 2024 20:05 |
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It was simply a particularly fat Hamas member. An oft made mistake.
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# ? Feb 25, 2024 20:29 |
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It's a Hamas false flag and it's antisemitic to suggest Israeli forces killed civilians. Just like there was no friendly fire on Oct 7th.
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# ? Feb 25, 2024 21:09 |
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So an air force guy self-immolated outside the Israeli embassy in DC. https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1761839190487278038 I do not believe he has died, but I could be wrong. I will remove the tweet if it crosses the line of this thread, but I do not see it as more graphic than the photo of Thich Quang Duc. Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Jaxyon posted:Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians. Reminder that there are still not named victums for any of the mass organized rape allegations from October 7th. Every single mass rape allegation is second or third hand from some person or organization who definately saw it happen but doesn't actually have any evidence or even identify specific victims. This is important because Israel is still using these allegations to justify the Genocide of Palestinians in Gaza and settler reprisals in the West Bank. National Parks fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Feb 25, 2024 |
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National Parks posted:Reminder that there are still not named victums for any of the mass organized rape allegations from October 7th. There absolutely were first hand witnesses who were interviewed. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html quote:Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.
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# ? Feb 25, 2024 23:50 |
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quote:In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, arrests and imprisonment of Palestinian men in their early adulthood are common practice. The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) collected thousands of testimonies of Palestinian men allegedly tortured or ill-treated by Israeli authorities. There are many types of torture, sexual torture being one of them. This study is based on the PCATI database during 2005-2012, which contains 60 cases-- 4% of all files in this period--with testimonies of alleged sexual torture or ill-treatment. It is a first in the investigation of torture and ill-treatment of a sexual nature, allegedly carried out by Israeli security authorities on Palestinian men. Findings show that sexual ill-treatment is systemic, with 36 reports of verbal sexual harassment, either directed toward Palestinian men and boys or toward family members, and 35 reports of forced nudity. Moreover, there are six testimonies of Israeli officials involved in physical sexual assault of arrested or imprisoned Palestinian men. Physical assault in most cases concerned pressing and/or kicking the genitals, while one testimony pertained to simulated rape, and another described an actual rape by means of a blunt object. This predates the current bout of the conflict. It's obnoxious that this is repeatedly framed as a Hamas tactic or some poo poo. It's a consequence of war and oppression.
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 00:00 |
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Kalit posted:There absolutely were first hand witnesses who were interviewed. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html This was one of their witnesses. quote:That same morning, along Route 232 but in a different location about a mile southwest of the party area, Raz Cohen — a young Israeli who had also attended the rave and had worked recently in the Democratic Republic of Congo training Congolese soldiers — said that he was hiding in a dried-up streambed. It provided some cover from the assailants combing the area and shooting anyone they found, he said in an hour-and-a-half interview in a Tel Aviv restaurant. A soldier and 'security consultant' who was recently training forces in DRC. A country which recently switched to very pro Israel. The previous president having hired mossad to spy on his political opponents, and the current president who recently attended an AIPAC conference, resumed diplomatic relations with Isreal, and backed Trump's Israel-Palestine Peace Plan. Sounds like a spook and I wouldn't consider him a reliable first hand witness.
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Kalit posted:There absolutely were first hand witnesses who were interviewed. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html I would not put much stock in that article. https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1761423659682476406 https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/extraordinary-charges-of-bias-emerge-against-nytimes-reporter-anat-schwartz/
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National Parks posted:Reminder that there are still not named victums for any of the mass organized rape allegations from October 7th. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks quote:By cross-referencing testimonies given to police, published interviews with witnesses, and photo and video footage taken by survivors and first responders, the Guardian is aware of at least six sexual assaults for which multiple corroborating pieces of evidence exist. Two of those victims, who were murdered, were aged under 18.
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 00:17 |
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Those first responders were most likely from ZAKA.quote:In the aftermath of the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel, ZAKA volunteers were said by Israeli newspaper Haaretz to have given several incorrect reports of atrocities allegedly committed by Hamas against children and babies that were widely circulated in the media.[31][32] A ZAKA leader acknowledged mistakes were made: "When we find bodies that are burned or in a state of decomposition, we can easily be mistaken and think the body is a child's ... Our volunteers were confronted with traumatic scenes and sometimes misinterpreted what they saw."[32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAKA#Controversies
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Chemtrailologist posted:Those first responders were most likely from ZAKA. You brushed past the "published interviews with witnesses" part Kalit fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Feb 26, 2024 |
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Kalit posted:You brushed pass the "published interviews with witnesses" part I didn't address this because the article didn't make it very clear whether the interviews with eyewitnesses were directly from the Guardian journalists or came from Israeli police/IDF sources. If it's the latter, I think there's good reason to question their authenticity.
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Chemtrailologist posted:I didn't address this because the article didn't make it very clear whether the interviews with eyewitnesses were directly from the Guardian journalists or came from Israeli police/IDF sources. If it's the latter, I think there's good reason to question their authenticity. Maybe you should actually read the article before making stupid assumptions such as "what if the interview came from the IDF?!?!" Spoilering because quote:One raped woman was “shredded to pieces” and another “stabbed repeatedly in the back while she was being raped”, the same witness said in an interview with the New York Times. The witness has provided police with photographs of her hiding place, and another survivor hiding in the same spot has testified that he saw at least one woman being raped.
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 01:03 |
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I did read the article. It was unclear. In the spoiler you posted it uses the word "testified", meaning the info came from some government source.
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Chemtrailologist posted:I did read the article. It was unclear. In the spoiler you posted it uses the word "testified", meaning the info came from some government source. It says the witness said it to the New York Times in an interview. It also says that the person who testified to seeing sexual assaults was a different witness hiding in the same location. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Feb 26, 2024 |
# ? Feb 26, 2024 01:40 |
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That Guardian article is a mess, and mostly doesn't do its own work, but instead appears to be often repeating claims provided by sources with an obvious agenda, including the problematic NYT article we just talked about. I'm not going to go over everything in the article, but here are some examples: quote:Zaka, Israel’s emergency response organisation quote:At the Shura military base in central Israel, where most of the dead were taken, the reservist Shari Mendes quote:The New York Times and NBC have both identified more than 30 killed women and girls whose bodies bear signs of abuse The NYT article posted:And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site The NYT article isn't trustworthy, as we covered a few posts up. I think it's very likely the Guardian is just repeating claims from that article here, given the similarities ("more than 30"). The witness account of the woman hiding in a bush is also taken from there. The NYT interviewed this woman as part of their article. The Guardian didn't interview her ("she told police in a video reviewed by the Guardian"), so they are relying on a police interview video and the NYT coverage. The article then goes on to uncritically repeat some more poo poo they got from sources with an obvious agenda: quote:The US state department has said that the week-long truce between Israel and Hamas in November broke down because the militants refused to release the remaining women in its custody, over fears they would speak publicly about sexual violence. quote:Israeli intelligence officials, experts and sources with direct knowledge of interrogation reports of captured Hamas fighters believe units that attacked were beforehand given a text that drew on a controversial and contested interpretation of traditional Islamic military jurisprudence, claiming that captives were “the spoils of war”. quote:In at least two unsourced videos of interrogations of alleged Hamas members, which Israeli officials say they did not authorise for release, the men are heard talking about instructions given to rape women. I think sourcing the State Department and Israeli intelligence without challenging their claims at all speaks for itself. Note that I'm not making the claim that there was no sexual violence. There may well have been. But this coverage is incredibly credulous, especially in light of the fact that we know Israel has fabricated atrocity propaganda in the recent past (the beheaded babies).
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 02:09 |
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Kalit posted:There absolutely were first hand witnesses who were interviewed. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html It's really funny that you immediately posted the widely discredited New York Times article by Anat Scwartz, who was being referenced in the post I was responding to as a genocidal zionist. https://institute.aljazeera.net/en/ajr/article/2489 quote:The New York Times allocated a substantial part of its investigation to recounting Gal's story. She and her husband were killed on October 7th, and the report, relying on an isolated video, alleges that she was a victim of violent sexual assault. The video, supposedly widely circulated on social media and “went viral” as per the report, depicts Gal's lifeless body in a black dress. Contrary to the newspaper's assertion of broad dissemination, the video is currently unavailable on the internet. Typically, videos achieving viral status are challenging to entirely remove from online platforms. Furthermore, the New York Times' claim that Gal's image in a black dress became an "icon" in the Israeli press for solidarity with female "victims" is contested by a well-written report on Mondoweiss. Prior to the New York Times investigation, there was no such characterization of Gal, whose story constituted roughly a third of the New York Times investigation based on a poorly cropped still image from the video. This image is insufficient to conclude rape and lacks any police or forensic evidence to support such an assumption. This story was so divisive inside the NYT that they had to pull and rewrite a podcast based on it: https://theintercept.com/2024/01/28/new-york-times-daily-podcast-camera/ These allegations of mass systematic rapes are being used to justify an ongoing genocide with full participation from the US and western media. The official position from Israeli authorities is that they cant find any rape survivors because they are all dead and buried, literally every single one. Meanwhile the UN is investigating claims of widespread rape and killings of Palestinian women and girls, which I find credible considering the IDF cant stop filming themselves digging through Palestinian womens underwear drawers and posting it on TikTok. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/20/middleeast/israel-hamas-un-investigation-sexual-abuse-intl/index.html quote:The allegations include extrajudicial killing, arbitrary detention, degrading treatment, rape and sexual violence, according to a statement by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights released on Monday. It did not detail how they did their fact-finding, but they referred to photos of female detainees in degrading circumstances reportedly taken by Israeli troops and uploaded online.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:This is not true at all - there is a lot of evidence from different sources regarding Hamas' use of sexual violence during its incursion. For example, this Guardian investigation was able to verify 6 cases by cross-referencing: That references the discredited NYT article which prompted the current discussion. Two of you have now brought up the discredited NYT article to prove the allegations of rape which were brought up because of the article being discredited. Kalit posted:Maybe you should actually read the article before making stupid assumptions such as "what if the interview came from the IDF?!?!" That's the testimony from the same discredited NYT article. It literally says in your spoilers text "the same witness said in an interview with the New York Times." Can we have a bit more media literacy in this thread that people don't post the same source through third parties as collaboration to the first discredited source.
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 08:24 |
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It shows you the effectiveness of Respectable Liberal Media, where you can quote anonymous intelligence or discredited sources, and then other media outlets will quote your story, and on and on down the chain until it becomes common knowledge that's been extensively researched, even though it all comes back to the same single source. This happened a lot with coverage of Xinjiang, a massive amount of outlets and articles, but it all just came back to Adrien Zenz. The NYT can lie over and over again but their respectability or trustworthiness will never be called into question, whereas other more fringe outlets that go against the official narrative will be dismissed out of hand.
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Nucleic Acids posted:So an air force guy self-immolated outside the Israeli embassy in DC. Reporting is naming him as Aaron Bushnell, and the Air Force has confused he was active duty. Some reporting is saying he has since died of his injuries, though that doesn't yet seem to be fully confirmed. I have to say though, that someone serving in the US military self-immolating in the name of a free Palestine is not a thing I ever thought I'd see. God willing his sacrifice will make a difference, but regardless I'll salute his courage and principles.
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 10:31 |
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the one time in my life yall can crack a "thank u for your service" out my lips for anyone
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Irony Be My Shield posted:This is not true at all - there is a lot of evidence from different sources regarding Hamas' use of sexual violence during its incursion. For example, this Guardian investigation was able to verify 6 cases by cross-referencing: Do you have any credible sources (not reprints of NYT bullshit) or it's just more "I'm totally not defending Israel here, BUT..." crap? NYT carefully avoids mentioning what was the reason for self immolation for entire first part of article, also heavily implying it was a terrorist attack
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 14:13 |
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Thanks for the corrections, I didn't realize that the "witness" was one who only saw the aftermath. Here's an actual eyewitness interview with ynet https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/syqybcgkp
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Szarrukin posted:Do you have any credible sources (not reprints of NYT bullshit) or it's just more "I'm totally not defending Israel here, BUT..." crap? The bold new direction of the New York Times, implying that US troops can do terrorism after all! Dark humour aside, very sad to hear about the death of Aaron Bushnell. I hope it's not for naught.
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 14:27 |
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Kalit posted:Thanks for the corrections, I didn't realize that the "witness" was one who only saw the aftermath.
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 14:29 |
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cat botherer posted:Again, that’s Raz Cohen, the IDF special forces vet who trained Congolese forces. You keep repeating different articles citing the same garbage sources. Is he currently IDF?
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 14:36 |
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Lol speaking of https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1761914188505436637
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# ? Feb 26, 2024 14:39 |
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Kalit posted:Is he currently IDF?
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cat botherer posted:Give me a break. He’s got connections. When you’re at that kind of level in the defense/intel community, there’s no such thing as retiring. He’s a spook who has a long history with the IDF and does shady poo poo in Africa. He’s not a reliable source. The original claim was: National Parks posted:Every single mass rape allegation is second or third hand from some person or organization who definately saw it happen but doesn't actually have any evidence or even identify specific victims. Not "no first hand witnesses that consists of someone who I deem trustworthy". Stop moving the goalposts.
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