Jaxyon posted:

Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1761249450998022442

Jaxyon posted:

Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1761249450998022442

socialsecurity posted:

I can't seem to find the article this guy wrote anywhere.

quote:

The Biden administration on Friday restored a U.S. legal finding dating back nearly 50 years that Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are “illegitimate” under international law.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the U.S. believes settlements are inconsistent with Israel’s obligations, reversing a determination made by his predecessor, Mike Pompeo, in the Biden administration’s latest shift away from the pro-Israel policies pursued by former President Donald Trump.

Blinken’s comments came in response to a reporter’s question about an announcement that Israel would build more than 3,300 new homes in West Bank settlements as a riposte to a fatal Palestinian shooting attack.

It wasn’t clear why Blinken chose this moment, more than three years into his tenure, to reverse Pompeo’s decision. But it came at a time of growing U.S.-Israeli tensions over the war in Gaza, with the latest settlement announcement only adding to the strain. It also came as the United Nations’ highest court, the International Court of Justice, is holding hearings into the legality of the Israeli occupation.

Your Brain on Hugs posted:

Printing outright fabrications as fact is nothing new for the NYT, but it's especially egregious when it serves to fuel a genocide. I would hope there will be actually consequences for this, but it's the US, so there won't be.

Lots of news about hostage negotiations today, but I've learned it's best to treat anything as trash unless it comes directly out of the mouths of Hamas leaders or netanyahu. On that front, it's the same immoveable stalemate. Seems like everyone is just waiting for the rafah invasion.

"Times of Israel posted:

Multiple reports indicated the outline includes the release in the first phase of some 40 hostages held in Gaza, including women, children, female soldiers and elderly and ill abductees, amid a pause in fighting of some six weeks.

It also includes the release by Israel of hundreds of Palestinian terror convicts, and a “redeployment” of Israeli troops within Gaza — but not a complete withdrawal as Hamas had previously demanded. The outline would also reportedly see Israel enable the return of Palestinian women and children to northern Gaza, from where hundreds of thousands evacuated during the fighting, and which Israel has kept cut off from the rest of the enclave.

Channel 12 reported that there are still some points of contention, including Israel’s opposition to significant rehabilitation and reconstruction of Gaza before it is demilitarized, as well as ongoing differences on the number of Palestinian prisoners who would be released in exchange for the hostages.

But, the network noted that there appears to have been “some kind of shift” by Hamas on its demand for an end to war — which the terror group has hitherto insisted must be a condition for further hostage releases. Israel has outrightly refused the demand, vowing to destroy the terror group following the October 7 attack.

A senior government official told Channel 12 that the outline as it appears to stand would likely be approved by the full cabinet.

Jaxyon posted:

Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1761249450998022442

socialsecurity posted:

I can't seem to find the article this guy wrote anywhere.

quote:

She said the men congregated along the road and passed between them assault rifles, grenades, small missiles — and badly wounded women.

“It was like an assembly point,” she said.

The first victim she said she saw was a young woman with copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.” While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box cutter and sliced off her breast.

“One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.

She said the men sliced her face and then the woman fell out of view. Around the same time, she said, she saw three other women raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more women.

“They all gather around her,” Mr. Cohen said. “She’s standing up. They start raping her. I saw the men standing in a half circle around her. One penetrates her. She screams. I still remember her voice, screams without words.”

“Then one of them raises a knife,” he said, “and they just slaughtered her.”

Jaxyon posted:

Context: The NYT got mutliple raving genocidal zionists to write about Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1761249450998022442

National Parks posted:

Reminder that there are still not named victums for any of the mass organized rape allegations from October 7th.

Every single mass rape allegation is second or third hand from some person or organization who definately saw it happen but doesn't actually have any evidence or even identify specific victims.

This is important because Israel is still using these allegations to justify the Genocide of Palestinians in Gaza and settler reprisals in the West Bank.

quote:

Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.

Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway where Ms. Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road at a third location

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In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, arrests and imprisonment of Palestinian men in their early adulthood are common practice. The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) collected thousands of testimonies of Palestinian men allegedly tortured or ill-treated by Israeli authorities. There are many types of torture, sexual torture being one of them. This study is based on the PCATI database during 2005-2012, which contains 60 cases-- 4% of all files in this period--with testimonies of alleged sexual torture or ill-treatment. It is a first in the investigation of torture and ill-treatment of a sexual nature, allegedly carried out by Israeli security authorities on Palestinian men. Findings show that sexual ill-treatment is systemic, with 36 reports of verbal sexual harassment, either directed toward Palestinian men and boys or toward family members, and 35 reports of forced nudity. Moreover, there are six testimonies of Israeli officials involved in physical sexual assault of arrested or imprisoned Palestinian men. Physical assault in most cases concerned pressing and/or kicking the genitals, while one testimony pertained to simulated rape, and another described an actual rape by means of a blunt object.

Kalit posted:

There absolutely were first hand witnesses who were interviewed. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

quote:

That same morning, along Route 232 but in a different location about a mile southwest of the party area, Raz Cohen — a young Israeli who had also attended the rave and had worked recently in the Democratic Republic of Congo training Congolese soldiers — said that he was hiding in a dried-up streambed. It provided some cover from the assailants combing the area and shooting anyone they found, he said in an hour-and-a-half interview in a Tel Aviv restaurant.
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A head-and-shoulders photo of a man with a beard, wearing a black T-shirt, looking up to his left.
Raz Cohen, a security consultant, survived the Oct. 7 attacks by hiding in a dried-up streambed.
A head-and-shoulders photo of a man with a beard, wearing a black T-shirt, looking up to his left.

Maybe 40 yards in front of him, he recalled, a white van pulled up and its doors flew open.

He said he then saw five men, wearing civilian clothes, all carrying knives and one carrying a hammer, dragging a woman across the ground. She was young, naked and screaming.

“They all gather around her,” Mr. Cohen said. “She’s standing up. They start raping her. I saw the men standing in a half circle around her. One penetrates her. She screams. I still remember her voice, screams without words.”

“Then one of them raises a knife,” he said, “and they just slaughtered her.”

Kalit posted:

There absolutely were first hand witnesses who were interviewed. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

National Parks posted:

Reminder that there are still not named victums for any of the mass organized rape allegations from October 7th.

Every single mass rape allegation is second or third hand from some person or organization who definately saw it happen but doesn't actually have any evidence or even identify specific victims.

This is important because Israel is still using these allegations to justify the Genocide of Palestinians in Gaza and settler reprisals in the West Bank.

quote:

By cross-referencing testimonies given to police, published interviews with witnesses, and photo and video footage taken by survivors and first responders, the Guardian is aware of at least six sexual assaults for which multiple corroborating pieces of evidence exist. Two of those victims, who were murdered, were aged under 18.

quote:

In the aftermath of the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel, ZAKA volunteers were said by Israeli newspaper Haaretz to have given several incorrect reports of atrocities allegedly committed by Hamas against children and babies that were widely circulated in the media.[31][32] A ZAKA leader acknowledged mistakes were made: "When we find bodies that are burned or in a state of decomposition, we can easily be mistaken and think the body is a child's ... Our volunteers were confronted with traumatic scenes and sometimes misinterpreted what they saw."[32]

A subsequent Haaretz report stated that in order to get media exposure, ZAKA spread accounts of atrocities that never happened and released sensitive and graphic photos in an effort to shock people into donating.[33][34] Haaretz also said that while hundreds of ZAKA volunteers did important work under challenging conditions, the organization acted unprofessionally on the ground, often mixing up the remains of multiple victims in the same bag and creating little or no documentation.[33][34]

Chemtrailologist posted:

Those first responders were most likely from ZAKA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAKA#Controversies

Kalit posted:

You brushed pass the "published interviews with witnesses" part

Chemtrailologist posted:

I didn't address this because the article didn't make it very clear whether the interviews with eyewitnesses were directly from the Guardian journalists or came from Israeli police/IDF sources. If it's the latter, I think there's good reason to question their authenticity.

Chemtrailologist posted:

I did read the article. It was unclear. In the spoiler you posted it uses the word "testified", meaning the info came from some government source.

quote:

Zaka, Israel’s emergency response organisation

quote:

At the Shura military base in central Israel, where most of the dead were taken, the reservist Shari Mendes

quote:

The New York Times and NBC have both identified more than 30 killed women and girls whose bodies bear signs of abuse

The NYT article posted:

And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site

quote:

The US state department has said that the week-long truce between Israel and Hamas in November broke down because the militants refused to release the remaining women in its custody, over fears they would speak publicly about sexual violence.

quote:

Israeli intelligence officials, experts and sources with direct knowledge of interrogation reports of captured Hamas fighters believe units that attacked were beforehand given a text that drew on a controversial and contested interpretation of traditional Islamic military jurisprudence, claiming that captives were “the spoils of war”.

quote:

In at least two unsourced videos of interrogations of alleged Hamas members, which Israeli officials say they did not authorise for release, the men are heard talking about instructions given to rape women.

Kalit posted:

There absolutely were first hand witnesses who were interviewed. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

quote:

The New York Times allocated a substantial part of its investigation to recounting Gal's story. She and her husband were killed on October 7th, and the report, relying on an isolated video, alleges that she was a victim of violent sexual assault. The video, supposedly widely circulated on social media and “went viral” as per the report, depicts Gal's lifeless body in a black dress. Contrary to the newspaper's assertion of broad dissemination, the video is currently unavailable on the internet. Typically, videos achieving viral status are challenging to entirely remove from online platforms. Furthermore, the New York Times' claim that Gal's image in a black dress became an "icon" in the Israeli press for solidarity with female "victims" is contested by a well-written report on Mondoweiss. Prior to the New York Times investigation, there was no such characterization of Gal, whose story constituted roughly a third of the New York Times investigation based on a poorly cropped still image from the video. This image is insufficient to conclude rape and lacks any police or forensic evidence to support such an assumption.

quote:

The allegations include extrajudicial killing, arbitrary detention, degrading treatment, rape and sexual violence, according to a statement by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights released on Monday. It did not detail how they did their fact-finding, but they referred to photos of female detainees in degrading circumstances reportedly taken by Israeli troops and uploaded online.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

This is not true at all - there is a lot of evidence from different sources regarding Hamas' use of sexual violence during its incursion. For example, this Guardian investigation was able to verify 6 cases by cross-referencing:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks

Kalit posted:

Maybe you should actually read the article before making stupid assumptions such as "what if the interview came from the IDF?!?!"

Spoilering because

Nucleic Acids posted:

So an air force guy self-immolated outside the Israeli embassy in DC.

https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1761839190487278038

I do not believe he has died, but I could be wrong. I will remove the tweet if it crosses the line of this thread, but I do not see it as more graphic than the photo of Thich Quang Duc.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

This is not true at all - there is a lot of evidence from different sources regarding Hamas' use of sexual violence during its incursion. For example, this Guardian investigation was able to verify 6 cases by cross-referencing:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks

Esran posted:

National Parks posted:

Marenghi posted:

Szarrukin posted:

Do you have any credible sources (not reprints of NYT bullshit) or it's just more "I'm totally not defending Israel here, BUT..." crap?


NYT carefully avoids mentioning what was the reason for self immolation for entire first part of article, also heavily implying it was a terrorist attack

Kalit posted:

Thanks for the corrections, I didn't realize that the "witness" was one who only saw the aftermath.

Here's an actual eyewitness interview with ynet https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/syqybcgkp

cat botherer posted:

Again, that’s Raz Cohen, the IDF special forces vet who trained Congolese forces. You keep repeating different articles citing the same garbage sources.

Kalit posted:

Is he currently IDF?

cat botherer posted:

Give me a break. He’s got connections. When you’re at that kind of level in the defense/intel community, there’s no such thing as retiring. He’s a spook who has a long history with the IDF and does shady poo poo in Africa. He’s not a reliable source.

National Parks posted:

Every single mass rape allegation is second or third hand from some person or organization who definately saw it happen but doesn't actually have any evidence or even identify specific victims.