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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

See, this is what I mean

https://twitter.com/halalflow/status/1762459802154791012

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 19:22 on Feb 27, 2024

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Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

i say swears online posted:

i'm so mad at this post because i don't know how to refute it or accept it without doubleing down

get owned luther simp

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

they must really be scared if they have him out doing tv

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

its part of the overall zionist project: get all the jews into israel so they have the masses to take jordan, lebanon, parts of syria, parts of egypt etc.

4d3d3d
Mar 17, 2017

Al! posted:

its part of the overall zionist project: get all the jews into israel so they have the masses to take jordan, lebanon, parts of syria, parts of egypt etc.

Early Zionists worked with Nazis to scare and beat Jews into moving to Israel

Zadok Allen
Oct 9, 2023

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

It's genuinely dangerous and alarming though.

We have western governments saying their Jewish citizens literally have dual loyalty.

We have western governments saying Zionism is Judaism, (and therefore their Jewish citizens don't belong there)

The LPC tabled legislation yesterday that would let them ban pretty much any pro-Palestinian news on the internet

The government has previously signalled that "From the River to the Sea" promotes genocide. Do you see the problem here?

They've already made statements that questioning "Israel's right to defend itself" is essentially genocidal. This could get very bad, very fast.

They've also proposed amending several sections of the Criminal Code to use... interesting definitions

So with that definition, they have given themselves authority to remove the license for corporations to operate in Canada if they host that content, and demanded that every online platform add a button that reports content to a government commission, rather than that service's moderators or whatever. Which, I would speculate, means that to avoid liability any reported post will be removed instantly. My worry is that it will still generate some sort of government investigation of the poster, since they have reclassified posting as a hate crime with a sentence up to 5 years. Hate speech previously had a much higher bar to clear.

On top of this, the bill is being reported as a bill to ban child pornography, so every criticism, on free speech grounds, on the basis of these loving crazy clauses, is being responded to in the media and on the floor of the Commons with "why do you want to allow child porn?"

Even the name of the bill barely mentions that it will severely change how speech, not just illicit sexual content, works online in Canada.



Yeah we live in wild times. The language is being rewritten before our eyes on a level equivalent to newspeak

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

is Biden implying Jews aren’t safe in America ? I guess that is the new poster’s point

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

I can’t imagine how infuriating it must be to be a Jewish person and constantly hear Christians, from regular joes to the president, saying that I’m not safe in America as a Jewish person unless a completely different country on the other side of the world is allowed to mass murder at will

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Are Jewish people part of our nations or are they not?

Because reading from the talking points the Israeli government hands you without thinking about it for a minute leads to a position that is both insane and dangerous.

Their national interest is not the same as ours, so it's not "helping" our beloved ally to declare that actually our society has no place for Jews, and they'd better go back to Israel - it's weakening our national fabric to help them get more colonists, or whatever the gently caress. From the perspective of the people running Israel, yes, it makes sense to say that the rest of the world is dangerous and unsafe and the Jews better come "home" and join the IDF. But we're the rest of the world! When Israel passes along a note that frames a talking point as "us" and "them", we're them! So why would you adopt their line?!

Tsitsikovas
Aug 2, 2023

https://twitter.com/SpiritofLenin/status/1762497354769252749

always heed kwame ture's words

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

euphronius posted:

is Biden implying Jews aren’t safe in America ? I guess that is the new poster’s point

he is doing a lot more than implying it

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


if you accept the adl/joe biden position that israel's actions increase anti-semitism it doesn't follow that israel increases safety for non-israeli jews. in fact, it's the opposite!
someone had better let them know their logic doesn't add up, I'm sure they'll be alarmed to find out

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

lol she is definitely even more settled by the stern now

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Jewish Voices For Peace: Did Biden just say the U.S. can’t protect Jews? (From December)

JVP posted:

Yesterday, President Biden reiterated one of his favorite defenses of an indefensible policy: arming a state committing genocide. During a Hanukkah event at the White House, he claimed that “were there no Israel, there wouldn’t be a Jew in the world who is safe.”

This is a stunning thing to say for a man leading a country with 7.6 million Jews, the world’s second largest Jewish population.

Even if this statement were true, we reject any notion of safety that requires the murder and displacement of Palestinians. But it’s also hopelessly false; in fact, this rhetoric puts both Palestinians and Jews in more danger.

For the president of the U.S. to claim that it is only the existence of another country that keeps Jews safe is to imply that the seven million Jews who live in the U.S. are not at home here, and cannot hope to be kept safe by their own government.

This is antisemitism: invoking the idea of the Jews as not really belonging, degrading the homes that we have made in the diaspora for millenia. And this is how antisemitism is exploited, and Jews are ultimately used as political pawns — a sitting U.S. president invoking Jewish fear and trauma in order to defend the U.S. government’s arming of a genocidal state, all in order to further U.S. imperialism.

At the exact same time, we’re watching a new McCarthyism play out in real time, one carried out in the name of “fighting antisemitism” — but which will make Jews much less safe.

...

A controversial and dangerous definition of antisemitism

On the same day of the congressional hearing, the House passed a dangerous resolution that equates anti-Zionism with antisemitism. This resolution was wildly right-wing and off-base in a number of ways, but here are the highlights:

This resolution is an explicit threat to anyone criticizing the state of Israel. Palestinians would be especially targeted, but it would apply to Jews and others.

It distracts from the work of fighting real antisemitism. The right-wingers leading the witch hunt against student activists are decidedly less interested in combating the rise of white nationalism, the greatest threat to Jewish safety. That’s not a coincidence.

It puts a target on the back of all Jews. Blaming all Jewish people for the actions of the Israeli government is antisemitic. Now, our elected officials are doing the inverse by insisting that the state of Israel, which is currently carrying out as genocide in Gaza, is synonymous with Jews and Judaism.

This is what we know: There is no Jewish safety that comes at the expense of the Palestinian people. Nor can it be found in state surveillance, censorship, more funding for the police, or arms for an apartheid state. All people deserve to be safe in our homes — and there is no freedom to be found for any of us by instrumentalizing the lives of some people in order to kill others.

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006



They’re so, so mad that this isn’t working to tamp down on anti-Israel sentiment anymore. They keep screeching it louder and louder

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

quote:

Sitting in my office in leafy Cambridge, Mass., a proud citizen of the freest country in the world, in which Jews have been safer than in any other country in history,

might want to talk to biden about that then buddy

quote:

Even the prevalence of antisemitism among Islamist groups like Hamas isn’t primarily driven by religion. Rather, it is part of their politically motivated effort to turn a struggle between two national groups for the same piece of land into a holy war.

ah yes the holy war of "give me back my home"

quote:

Preoccupied with economic and social upheaval, antisemites depicted Jews as both uniquely capitalist and uniquely communist. Concerned about an unstable global power balance, antisemites claimed that Jews secretly controlled the world. Entranced by the pseudoscience of race that flourished after Darwin, antisemites declared that Jews were racially inferior. The obvious contradictions—that far from running the world, most Jews were impoverished, or that capitalism and communism were warring ideologies—did not deter antisemites. They ignored the illogic, or fell back on conspiracy theory, like the myth that Jewish capitalists and Jewish communists were secretly in cahoots. Ultimately, in different ways, both Nazism and Marxism identified Jews as an enemy deserving liquidation. The virulent antisemitism that fueled the Holocaust was thus partly a descendant of Christian antisemitism and also the product of modern conditions.

Today, racial pseudoscience is an embarrassment and the struggle between capitalism and communism has become passé. Antielitist populism can still draw on old canards about Jewish power, and those still resonate with certain audiences, especially on the far right. But the most perniciously creative current in contemporary antisemitic thought is more likely to come from the left.

going horseshoe theory entirely apropos of nothing

quote:

The core of this new antisemitism lies in the idea that Jews are not a historically oppressed people seeking self-preservation but instead oppressors: imperialists, colonialists, and even white supremacists. This view preserves vestiges of the trope that Jews exercise vast power. It creatively updates that narrative to contemporary circumstances and current cultural preoccupations with the nature of power and injustice....

To understand the complicated, subtle character of the new antisemitism, notice that the concept of imperialism was developed to describe European powers that conquered, controlled, and exploited vast territories in the Global South and East. The theory of settler-colonial white supremacy was developed as a critical account of countries like Australia and the U.S., in which, according to the theory, the colonialists’ aim was to displace the local population, not to extract value from its labor. The application of these categories to Israel is a secondary development.

These borrowed categories do not fit Israel’s specificity very well. Israel is a regional Middle Eastern power with a tiny footprint, not a global or continental empire designed to extract resources and labor. It was brought into existence by a 1947 United Nations resolution that would have created two states side by side, one Jewish and one Palestinian. Its purpose, as conceived by the U.N.’s member countries, was to house displaced Jews after 6 million were killed in the Holocaust.

The Palestinian catastrophe, or nakba, of 1948 was that when the Arab invasion of Israel failed to destroy the nascent Jewish state, many Palestinians who had fled or been forced out of their homes by Israeli troops were unable to return. Those Palestinians became permanent refugees in neighboring countries. Instead of ending up in an independent Palestine as proposed by the U.N., those who had stayed in their homes found themselves living either in Israel or under Egyptian and Jordanian rule. Then, in the 1967 war, the West Bank and Gaza were conquered by Israel. Palestinians in those places came under what Israel itself defines as an occupation. They have lived in that precarious legal status ever since despite the 1993–2001 peace process.

Notwithstanding undeniable Jewish prejudice and discrimination against Arabs in Israel, the paradigm of white supremacy also does not correspond easily to the Jews. Around half of Israel’s Jewish citizens descend from European Jews, as do most American Jews. But those Jews were not considered racially white in Europe, which is one reason they had to emigrate or be killed. Roughly half of Israel’s Jews descend from Mizrahi, (literally, Eastern) origins. They are not ethnically European in any sense, much less racially “white.” A meaningful number of Israeli Jews are of Ethiopian origin, and the small community of Black Hebrew Israelites in Israel are ethnically African American....

The upshot is that while a well-meaning person, free of antisemitism, could describe Israel as colonialist, the narrative of Israel as a settler-colonial oppressor on par with or worse than the U.S., Canada, and Australia is fundamentally misleading. Those who advance it run the risk of perpetuating antisemitism by condemning the Jewish state despite its basic differences from these other global examples—most important, Israel’s status as the only homeland for a historically oppressed people who have nowhere else to call their own.

this motherfucker is retarded and knows literally nothing about israel lol

Tsitsikovas
Aug 2, 2023

Raskolnikov38 posted:

most americans are retarded and knows literally nothing about israel lol

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!



kind of off topic but Aaron's sacrifice led me to do some reading on self immolations and I was surprised by how widespread it is. I was really only familiar with Thích Quảng Đức and the Buddhist immolation movement he triggered and the Americans who protested the Vietnam War in imitation of him. There was a significant wave of self-immolations during the push for statehood for Telangana in India, a few Iraq/WOT protests, and also at least two big waves of self immolations in the Soviet Union. One was mostly protests against using military force in Czechoslovakia, but the other was interesting - there were quite a few Crimean Tatars and Ukrainian separatists. I looked up every one of the Ukrainian separatists I could find information on and they were, to a man, all veterans of Nazi allied armies or actual Nazi units. I also found a Wehrmacht veteran who literally did it to protest the bad reputation of Wehrmacht veterans which sadly did not trigger any copycats

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

this motherfucker is retarded and knows literally nothing about israel lol

yeah, they call them "useful idiots" now, but I like your language better

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Raskolnikov38 posted:

might want to talk to biden about that then buddy

ah yes the holy war of "give me back my home"

going horseshoe theory entirely apropos of nothing

this motherfucker is retarded and knows literally nothing about israel lol

This part is particularly ignorant and honestly kinda funny

quote:

Notwithstanding undeniable Jewish prejudice and discrimination against Arabs in Israel, the paradigm of white supremacy also does not correspond easily to the Jews. Around half of Israel’s Jewish citizens descend from European Jews, as do most American Jews. But those Jews were not considered racially white in Europe, which is one reason they had to emigrate or be killed.

This motherfucker is arguing that there is an innate logical basis for white supremacy instead of what it is , a flexible lie meant to create an in and out group. This is parroting nazi poo poo. What an idiot.

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


the whole "Jews aren't safe in America so we must ensure that they have a safe place in Israel" idea is also dangerous because there are minorities here in the U.S. that are even more unsafe, and if supporting foreign ethnostates so that they can leave is the solution to that then what the gently caress is Joe Biden planning on doing?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Raskolnikov38 posted:

The virulent antisemitism that fueled the Holocaust was thus partly a descendant of Christian antisemitism...

Today, racial pseudoscience is an embarrassment and the struggle between capitalism and communism has become passé.

Antielitist populism can still draw on old canards about Jewish power, and those still resonate with certain audiences, especially on the far right.

But the most perniciously creative current in contemporary antisemitic thought is more likely to come from the left.

All of those points are directly at odds with the contemporary scholarship, which is galling in the case of "racial pseudoscience is an embarrassment" considering who secretly sterilizes their pigmented coreligionists, and collects sperm from the battlefield.

Saying "the struggle between capitalism and communism has become passé" while material conditions deteriorate is just regular End of History Triumphalism, but they picked a funny moment to do it, as the wheels come off.

See, I'm torn on "Antielitist populism can still draw on old canards about Jewish power..." when we can see the Israel lobby and lockstep media consensus work in front of our own loving eyes. The important thing is to differentiate the Jewish people from Zionists. There is Zionist power in several countries, as we saw with Corbyn, with the Israel lobby in Canada and the US, and in how even Jewish academic Norm Finkelstein has come under repeated attack for making basic observations.

But, the last point is the most egregious, "the most perniciously creative current in contemporary antisemitic thought is more likely to come from the left" only reveals that reflex of liberals and the DNC. They can only punish the left, they have no other response to receiving pushback. Freak out, blame the left, rinse, repeat.

I know it's TIME, so I didn't expect this to be too moored to reality, but saying racial pseudoscience is passe while the Jewish people must commit genocide because the God of Abraham gave the Holy Land to them... what the gently caress are we doing here people?

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Deified Data posted:

Generally agree with this view, Epic Leftist Veteran types are almost always creeps and will almost always try to valorize their crimes in some way for clout.

That said, burning yourself alive in solidarity with Palestine is probably the most useful thing any western "leftist" could do, and in this case the troop status definitely helps.

"What should we do with troops/ex-troops" is and has always been a wrecker distraction - when revolutionary conditions present themselves we won't have a hell of a lot of choice wrt who we can call allies. To be clear, all troops are criminals, but obviously being a criminal itself shouldn't be disqualifying. Glorifying your crime should.

There has been exactly 0 successful communist revolutions without the aid and support of Troops as far as I'm aware

It's real wrecker poo poo. You have to be able to see past the end of your nose.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Shageletic posted:

This part is particularly ignorant and honestly kinda funny

This motherfucker is arguing that there is an innate logical basis for white supremacy instead of what it is , a flexible lie meant to create an in and out group. This is parroting nazi poo poo. What an idiot.

It's just crazy making when it coexists in the article alongside "Today, racial pseudoscience is an embarrassment"

TeenageArchipelago posted:

the whole "Jews aren't safe in America so we must ensure that they have a safe place in Israel" idea is also dangerous because there are minorities here in the U.S. that are even more unsafe, and if supporting foreign ethnostates so that they can leave is the solution to that then what the gently caress is Joe Biden planning on doing?

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

There has been exactly 0 successful communist revolutions without the aid and support of Troops as far as I'm aware

It's real wrecker poo poo. You have to be able to see past the end of your nose.

going to win the revolution and build communism by having the best ideas

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

TeenageArchipelago posted:

the whole "Jews aren't safe in America so we must ensure that they have a safe place in Israel" idea is also dangerous because there are minorities here in the U.S. that are even more unsafe, and if supporting foreign ethnostates so that they can leave is the solution to that then what the gently caress is Joe Biden planning on doing?

Shocking, to be honest, that the ethnostate solution rose to the top despite literally every Western power at that point having a failed ethnostate project

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

It's just crazy making when it coexists in the article alongside "Today, racial pseudoscience is an embarrassment"

the fields sisters were right on the money when they compared race to the belief in 15th century witchcraft. even people that know that race is bullshit/those girls probably aren't witches are so bought into race/witchcraft that the scales just can't fall from their eyes

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

Shocking, to be honest, that the ethnostate solution rose to the top despite literally every Western power at that point having a failed ethnostate project

ethnostates can only be failed

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Deified Data posted:

Generally agree with this view, Epic Leftist Veteran types are almost always creeps and will almost always try to valorize their crimes in some way for clout.

That said, burning yourself alive in solidarity with Palestine is probably the most useful thing any western "leftist" could do, and in this case the troop status definitely helps.

"What should we do with troops/ex-troops" is and has always been a wrecker distraction - when revolutionary conditions present themselves we won't have a hell of a lot of choice wrt who we can call allies. To be clear, all troops are criminals, but obviously being a criminal itself shouldn't be disqualifying. Glorifying your crime should.
:hai: "There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel." - some guy named Vladimir Ulyanov i believe.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

There has been exactly 0 successful communist revolutions without the aid and support of Troops as far as I'm aware

It's real wrecker poo poo. You have to be able to see past the end of your nose.

Lenin canceling the returning Russian soldiers for being willing tools of imperialism

Toplowtech posted:

:hai: "There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel." - some guy named Vladimir Ulyanov i believe.

gently caress yeah

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Zodium posted:

going to win the revolution and build communism by having the best ideas

Leftists in the imperial core have the luxury of being bored out of their mind 24/7 and needing distractions like fake twitter debates to have any connection to their politics at all

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

TeenageArchipelago posted:

the whole "Jews aren't safe in America so we must ensure that they have a safe place in Israel" idea is also dangerous because there are minorities here in the U.S. that are even more unsafe, and if supporting foreign ethnostates so that they can leave is the solution to that then what the gently caress is Joe Biden planning on doing?

Joe Biden is going to embrace Garveyism

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Are Jewish people part of our nations or are they not?

Because reading from the talking points the Israeli government hands you without thinking about it for a minute leads to a position that is both insane and dangerous.

Their national interest is not the same as ours, so it's not "helping" our beloved ally to declare that actually our society has no place for Jews, and they'd better go back to Israel - it's weakening our national fabric to help them get more colonists, or whatever the gently caress. From the perspective of the people running Israel, yes, it makes sense to say that the rest of the world is dangerous and unsafe and the Jews better come "home" and join the IDF. But we're the rest of the world! When Israel passes along a note that frames a talking point as "us" and "them", we're them! So why would you adopt their line?!

Winston Churchill said there were 3 kinds of Jews: patriotic Jews who supported their country (good), zionist Jews who supported a Jewish state (also good), and the atheist communist Jews who wanted to destroy western civilization (bad)

I guess Biden et al are even more anti-semitic than Winston Churchill was like 100 years ago because they're cutting out #1 entirely

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

Zodium posted:

going to win the revolution and build communism by having the best ideas

idea #1: MechWarrior

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Raskolnikov38 posted:

might want to talk to biden about that then buddy

ah yes the holy war of "give me back my home"

going horseshoe theory entirely apropos of nothing

this motherfucker is retarded and knows literally nothing about israel lol

the quickest way find out whether or not Israel is a colonial state is to listen to Zionists brag about being a colonial state from 1897 thru today

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Atrocious Joe posted:

According to western media, Bibi is having a bad mental health time and is now at risk of self-immolating in front of the Israeli consulate

drat

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009



what a surprise

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Also, lot of people revealing that they were raised Prods ITT. The guy martyred himself. That action alone washes away his past, you dolts.







lol

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


HallelujahLee posted:



what a surprise

lmao

https://aje.io/qi1psx?update=2736487

quote:

US State Department says truce deal ‘possible’ by Monday

The State Department has backed Biden’s assessment that a deal that would see a temporary halt in fighting, freeing Israeli captives in Gaza and allowing more aid into the territory can be reached in the coming days.

“We do think it’s possible but … ultimately some of this comes down to Hamas and whether Hamas is willing to agree to a deal that would provide significant benefits to the Palestinian people that they claim to represent,” spokesperson Matthew Miller said.

They're really trying to pin the lack of a ceasefire on Hamas. "They won't give up all of their leverage for a few weeks of ceasefire before Israel goes back to trying to utterly annihilate them, their families, and their communities. How dare they."

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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

FirstnameLastname posted:

i checked with the actual stalinists i advocate for

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