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Anyone that makes the PC spreadsheet joke hasn't sat in an 8 hour meeting looking at actual spreadsheets
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Anyone that makes the PC spreadsheet joke hasn't sat in an 8 hour meeting looking at actual spreadsheets Lmao, I'm a console player, we don't have meetings like that at CEX or KFC.
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Feb 27, 2024 16:49
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Disco Pope posted:Lmao, I'm a console player, we don't have meetings like that at CEX or KFC. I legit snorted out loud at this one lmao
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Feb 27, 2024 16:52
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syntaxfunction posted:The only way consoles hold back game development is maybe with graphics and graphics are loving dumb now. Hey how about instead of a photorealistic field you make a fun game instead? This stupid obsession with "ooh nooo we need all the bestest graphics to enjoy an games and those big meanies consoles are ruining it" is what's actually holding back games. its ironic to post that though since the biggest drivers in graphics improvements are AAA companies like ubisoft or mactivision (can we say that now?), rockstar who are primarily making money from console market.
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Feb 27, 2024 20:33
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haldolium posted:its ironic to post that though since the biggest drivers in graphics improvements are AAA companies like ubisoft or mactivision (can we say that now?), rockstar who are primarily making money from console market. Depends on what you mean by graphics improvements. Those games are amazing looking because a lot of work was put into them by graphics artists and animators. Hardware power today is used to do the same thing but 4 times the resolution twice as fast. There's a lot of stuff happening under the hood which makes making games easier, sure, but we have already reached peak videogames in terms of fidelity. Also PC overtook console revenue from videogames two years ago and sits at 25% more.
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Feb 27, 2024 20:58
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I play pc games from my couch on a big TV and I don't understand people wanting to play at a desk. Mouse and keyboard are wireless, or I use a gamepad depending on the game. PC is on the floor next to the TV but could easily be in another room On business trips I can stream PC games to my phone, it's a built in Steam feature. Works great for turn-based stuff
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Vic posted:but we have already reached peak videogames in terms of fidelity. games haven't even entered the uncanny valley yet
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Feb 27, 2024 21:11
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haldolium posted:games haven't even entered the uncanny valley yet You must've missed the 2000s.
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Feb 27, 2024 21:26
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Visual fidelity in games will continue to get better but it’s been diminishing returns for the last decade or more. Games hit a point where they already look very good and can only keep looking slightly gooder. Everyone likes good graphics but I don’t think they have the wow factor they used to. That’s why there’s so many indie games and smaller productions that blow up and get huge. At the end of the day, people are just looking for fun/unique stuff cause every AAA game is just the same thing with a different paint job. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Feb 27, 2024 21:34
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No improvement in graphics will ever be impressive as the one from the SNES to the N64
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Feb 27, 2024 21:35
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Khanstant posted:Off the shelf hardware includes those PC GPUs. The worst part is even if you spring for a real computer the team of eggheads you need to run it will only let you play chess. They're the 3060 and 3060 laptop. The 1650 and the 1060 (which was the most common for years). They have performance somewhere between the 1060 and the 1080 I think this is just poor people buying acceptable GPUs.
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deep dish peat moss posted:No improvement in graphics will ever be impressive as the one from the SNES to the N64 Don't you mean regression?
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deep dish peat moss posted:No improvement in graphics will ever be impressive as the one from the SNES to the N64 The n64/ps1 era of 3d games was so loving ugly.
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Feb 27, 2024 22:07
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Vic posted:You must've missed the 2000s. you're deliberately missing the point. Graphics as a total has a lot of unsolved challenges, especially in simulation and simulated physical interaction. Fidelity has not peaked even remotely.
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Quote-Unquote posted:The n64/ps1 era of 3d games was so loving ugly. Signalis is great (it's loving ugly too though dgmw)
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Quote-Unquote posted:The n64/ps1 era of 3d games was so loving ugly. ymmv. i think a lot of them know they're ugly, so they leaned into a style and that can really work out for you. just like modern indies 
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haldolium posted:you're deliberately missing the point. Graphics as a total has a lot of unsolved challenges, especially in simulation and simulated physical interaction. Fidelity has not peaked even remotely. I'm not deliberately missing the point I am doing that naturally. Maybe give me a scenario in which this is appreciably true because we (human brains) need versimilitude not realism. You can burn exceptional computational power on incredibly complex physical simulations to have something like two people kissing look real, or you can just have a much simpler solution that even looks better. We're there, not worth the electricity even as it becomes cheaper to do.
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Just simple actions like picking up items or handing them to other characters. It still looks like poo poo. Is it fixable? Yes. But it's going to take a bit. It's why that stuff is usually off screen.
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Feb 27, 2024 23:01
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haldolium posted:you're deliberately missing the point. Graphics as a total has a lot of unsolved challenges, especially in simulation and simulated physical interaction. Fidelity has not peaked even remotely. The key point is that art direction used to be at the mercy of tech. Tech advancement enabled the realization of novel art directions. It's just not the case anymore since the Xbox360/PS3 gen, at the cost of massive effort at the time, and effectively across the board nowadays. Games are not designed around what is feasible anymore, and that does represent a massive paradigm shift. Aramis fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Feb 27, 2024 23:02
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Aramis posted:
Blah blah GAAS blah blah microtransactions blah blah.
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Feb 27, 2024 23:04
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All gaming should be done on phones, or VR (a phone strapped to your head).
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Making games digital was a mistake.
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Feb 27, 2024 23:08
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You won't have realism until realistic smoke and realistic mirrors are in play.
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after seeing golden eye for the first time as an idiot kid i thought to myself "this is it. this is perfect realism. graphics can't possibly get any better than this." specifically, it was when another play switch weapons and their character's world model changed to reflect it. i'm not sure what the moral of the story is, but it's funny to think back on
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MSPain posted:after seeing golden eye for the first time as an idiot kid i thought to myself "this is it. this is perfect realism. graphics can't possibly get any better than this." specifically, it was when another play switch weapons and their character's world model changed to reflect it. The difference is dimnishing returns on polycounts and you being a fully grown idiot adult. e: That was harsh I'm sorry Vic fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Feb 27, 2024 23:11
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Kids today love low res style (as in lovely polygon stuff not literally low res). The only people who care about photorealism are olds and soon our eyes will be too bad for it to matter.
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N64 games are ugly in retrospect but at the time the leap forward in graphical capabilities was mind-blowing. No improvement to graphics is ever gonna do that again.
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Feb 27, 2024 23:19
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haldolium posted:its ironic to post that though since the biggest drivers in graphics improvements are AAA companies like ubisoft or mactivision (can we say that now?), rockstar who are primarily making money from console market. *Is* that ironic? Is that even true? What do you even mean? Like someone pointed out PC revenue for games is significantly higher than console revenue so unless you got the inside scoop I think you might be off a bit. Oh, and the post was in response to someone literally saying graphics are held back by console so idunno go argue with them I guess.
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deep dish peat moss posted:N64 games are ugly in retrospect but at the time the leap forward in graphical capabilities was mind-blowing. No improvement to graphics is ever gonna do that again. The leap to HD was more impressive imo. Stuff like Fight Night 3, an early 360 title, was leagues ahead of any graphics on ps2 or Xbox. N64 games were generally much more colourful than ps1 games at least and the shaded polygon look holds up better than many of the awful 3d textures of ps1 (and even lots of contemporary pc games)
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Vic posted:You won't have realism until realistic smoke and realistic mirrors are in play. I'm holding out for realistic ropes and pulleys... Someone should make a new The Incredible Machine
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There was a spiritual successor recentlyish. Contraption maker
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MSPain posted:"this is it. this is perfect realism. graphics can't possibly get any better than this." I had this same response first with the N64 and a second time with GameCube launch title Rogue Squadron 2. The difference was that the second time I was right.
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I remember seeing an old man in Electronics Boutique watching a demo of NFL 2K on a display TV and when he realized it was a game he went “thats a video game?” with genuine awe in his voice
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Old men standing around watching football in department stores is one of my favorite genres of people. What ever happened to them
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WILDTURKEY101 posted:I remember seeing an old man in Electronics Boutique watching a demo of NFL 2K on a display TV and when he realized it was a game he went “thats a video game?” with genuine awe in his voice my older brother bought a 360 in like 2008 and picked up a copy of Fight Night. I spoke to him on the phone and he was telling me how he was absolutely blown away by the graphics and how real it looked. I visited and saw he had the 360 hooked up via composite so it looked like absolute butt. Switched it to component (apparently he's an idiot and didn't think that all the other cables did anything) and holy poo poo his face when he saw the exact same game in HD.
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I haven't played too much yet so I don't how good it is, but Atomic Heart is a very pretty looking game.
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deep dish peat moss posted:Old men standing around watching football in department stores is one of my favorite genres of people. What ever happened to them Their phones now stream them football*, privately. *Not football
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QuarkJets posted:DVD menus have always sucked rear end and I wish they didn't exist. Like we seriously need to pass a loving law to get rid of that bullshit.
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Vakal posted:I haven't played too much yet so I don't how good it is, but Atomic Heart is a very pretty looking game. I really, really wanted to like that game, and it's got some cool concepts, but man, it just never got good enough for me. And I hate those loving security cameras and the game's alert system.
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veni veni veni posted:Visual fidelity in games will continue to get better but it’s been diminishing returns for the last decade or more. Games hit a point where they already look very good and can only keep looking slightly gooder. Visual fidelity isn't the only neat thing about better hardware. Even if the whole world has agreed to stay at n64 style graphics arbitrarily forever, the jump to GameCube would still be a boon because they can load whole levels with more stuff going with greater draw distance and AI and interactions for each thing. The next jump they can pull off Portal stuff having two instances of the same world loaded with physics interactions between them. Having that that photorealistic plateau just provides nice even ground to build whatever you imagine on top of the nice foundation.
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