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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Use an E-reader with E-Ink at least.

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AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
yeah my kindle is always on airplane mode, the only "screen" feature I use is the clock.

Ironically this made it harder to stay off screens while I was reading real paperbacks recently, since I was checking my phone occasionally and having to stop myself from looking at anything but the time

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

as long as you don't use the backlight an e-ink screen is just as good as paper

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

AARD VARKMAN posted:

yeah my kindle is always on airplane mode, the only "screen" feature I use is the clock.

Ironically this made it harder to stay off screens while I was reading real paperbacks recently, since I was checking my phone occasionally and having to stop myself from looking at anything but the time

Buy a fun little watch that's your exclusive Reading Time Watch.

Stuporstar
May 5, 2008

Where do fists come from?
I set nightmode on my ipad to reduce blue light and turn on “do not disturb” as well as using dark mode which doesn’t seem to harm my sleep hygiene too bad. Also when the screen goes orange it means time to wind up whatever I was doing and read.


AARD VARKMAN posted:

yeah my kindle is always on airplane mode, the only "screen" feature I use is the clock.

Ironically this made it harder to stay off screens while I was reading real paperbacks recently, since I was checking my phone occasionally and having to stop myself from looking at anything but the time

The thing I really miss most when reading paperbacks is being able to look up words just by pressing my finger on them

E. this was probably the better way to read BotNS though, cause trying to look everything up woulda been too tempting and it woulda distracted me too much from the story, rather than just letting the unusual words simply vibe

Stuporstar fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Feb 26, 2024

platero
Sep 11, 2001

spooky, but polite, a-hole

Pillbug

zoux posted:

I had a huuuuuge bookshelf when I moved probably 15 years ago, I sold them all to Half-Price books and have been 100% digital since. I haven't cracked a paper book in a decade. Though the sleep hygiene strategy of "stay off screens, read a book" is impossible to me now.

An e-reader kindle solves that problem, the screen is like reading a book instead of staring at a phone/tv/computer. I put my phone on the charger across the room and lay in bed with a kindle and read for at least 30 minutes before bed.

Marshal Radisic
Oct 9, 2012


Oh dear...Brian Stableford has passed away.

https://twitter.com/john_clute/status/1762106061631189310

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


:(

branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009
stableford isn't one i read a lot of, al;though i remember in high school some of my mates who were obsessed with Vampire: The Masquerade (the white wolf one) loving The Empire of Fear where attila the hun and richard the lion heart are all imortal vampires. I was a nerd who played sport and sneaking out to raves, they were pasty goths who wanted to be addressed by their vampire names.

i never did get around to reading it, or playing VtM either.

A Sneaker Broker
Feb 14, 2020

Daily Dose of Internet Brain Rot
I appreciate the Lord making me a lil tall so the big pants I wear can easily fit my Kindle in one of the pockets. If I ever get bored? Bam, reading time.

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

Follow me for more books on special!
Mort (Discworld #4) by Terry Pratchett - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W967UQ/

Defiance (Foreigner #22) by CJ Cherryh - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSKLB97H/

Ashes of the Sun (Burningblade and Silvereye #1) by Django Wexler - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZZ25BCX/

Nuclear Tourist
Apr 7, 2005

Just finished the collection of Viriconium stories by M. John Harrison. The first one (The Pastel City) was just a delightful old school fantasy adventure, I particularly liked the dwarf character with his Warhammer 40k dreadnought armor. Also a big fan of settings that involve people digging up weird old technology left behind by lost civilizations.

The rest of the stories were fun too, but felt more like Fear & Loathing in Viriconium where you follow characters around while they get up to hijinks and misadventures interspersed with absurdist humor.

The dude can write though, good excuse to reread Light I suppose.

Prolonged Panorama
Dec 21, 2007
Holy hookrat Sally smoking crack in the alley!



Finished Exordia, what an awesome ride. I went looking on Google for any fanart (would love to see takes on Blackbird) but this caught my eye instead. The final gutpunch.

(page one Exordia spoilers)


It might be somebody's profile pic, a bunch of other unrelated images that show up from Goodreads are, although I couldn't find it in a quick scroll through the reviews.

But why attribute to coincidence that which is adequately explained by malice?

Biffmotron
Jan 12, 2007

Ahahahaha!

That was my review of Exordia on Goodreads. I’m glad someone appreciated the turtle.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Mort is among the best Pratchetts, if you're one of the 1.5 people in this thread who doesn't read Pratchett, it's as good place as any to start.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Mort is among the best Pratchetts, if you're one of the 1.5 people in this thread who doesn't read Pratchett, it's as good place as any to start.

It isn't among the very best, but it's a very good book and it's the point where Pratchett began coming into his style. It should be read.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

pradmer posted:


Defiance (Foreigner #22) by CJ Cherryh - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSKLB97H/

From the Amazon summary: posted:


The 22nd book in the beloved Foreigner saga continues the adventures of diplomat Bren Cameron as he navigates the tenuous peace he has struck between human refugees and the alien atevi.

In the east, outright warfare has tied down the Assassins' Guild, and that region is in confusion. Ready to hand is an age-old feud in the west, where the Master of Ashidama Bay has long hated the Edi people of the north shore and equally hated the Aishidi’tat for bringing the Edi to his shores—and hatred is a resource the Shadow Guild knows how to use to its advantage.

Bren Cameron is tasked with getting Ilisidi, the aiji-dowager, back to the capital alive, on an urgent basis. But events are cascading down on the south, the Guild is stretched thin in the east, and the Shadow Guild is within striking distance of critical targets that could bring war to the entire south.

Two lives stand in the breach, two lives the aishidi'tat would not willingly risk—Ilisidi and Bren—and the Shadow Guild will spend anything and everything to take them out.

If you told me this was book four’s synopsis I don’t think I’d have any reason to doubt it. I enjoyed the however many books I read in the series, but even at book five or six when I stopped the overall plot beats were getting pretty repetitive. It’s honestly amazing that Cherryh has been able to continue the series as she has given the fickle attention span of genre fiction readers. Not my cup of tea (tea ceremonies being mandatory), but clearly there’s a niche there. Does it morph into something more like Becky Chambers where it’s mostly comfort food with familiar/well characterized people dealing with low stakes problems?

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
The third book is not holding my attention like the second one did. There's like some kind of pov style change that I can't put my finger on but don't like. It feels slow and boring.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Feb 27, 2024

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Velius posted:

If you told me this was book four’s synopsis I don’t think I’d have any reason to doubt it. I enjoyed the however many books I read in the series, but even at book five or six when I stopped the overall plot beats were getting pretty repetitive. It’s honestly amazing that Cherryh has been able to continue the series as she has given the fickle attention span of genre fiction readers. Not my cup of tea (tea ceremonies being mandatory), but clearly there’s a niche there. Does it morph into something more like Becky Chambers where it’s mostly comfort food with familiar/well characterized people dealing with low stakes problems?

Yes. Books 1-6 are the usual frantic, tense Cherryh with high stakes and suffering pov dude, and while the rest of the books don't instantly become chill, they morph that way. 7-onwards go between cozy small scale stuff to larger stakes, but are overall way more relaxed. I read them as comfort food.

(Compare book 1 "bren might be tea poisoned in high stakes negotiations" vs book.... 8? 9? "oh no the pet monkey has escaped while new pov dude was decorating his apartment")

And I mean it: read 1-6, get off 7+ if you don't like what it's doing as it's incredibly "Cherryh wants to explore her setting in lavish detail"

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

To elaborate on this before I walk my dog: I don't mean in the "lol wacky a monkey" sense, I mean in the sense that Cherryh is, in her later years, writing the most indulgent form of fiction: the kind where you get to explore every nook and cranny of a world you've made. She did this in short form with Chanur's Legacy, the comedy-adventure sequel to the tense as hell trilogy. She did this in extended form with the Fortress series, where books 2-onwards are "so what now?" after the final battle, complete with a "x years later epilogue" thing at the end.

Foreigner slows way the hell down, focuses on the minutiae of the days and minutes around an event, and you're reading it endlessly charmed because Bren is navigating the regional differences between atevi while trying to be on a boat holiday, and around him the Big Plot Beats are continuing at a realistic pace, which is to say slow as hell at this speed.

If Downbelow Station was ruthlessly cut so that nothing relevant was on the table, Foreigner is the deepest opposite of that, where nothing is cut, you will learn how atevi braid their hair, drink some tea and chill. It's fantastic! I want her to write a dozen more of these! I.... still wish in my heart of hearts that she had done this to the Chanur setting instead as I find it more interesting, but fuckit, I love the atevi.

I'm going to wind up rereading the whole loving thing again aren't I

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
I still can't read a new book yet.

But I looked back and I'm very proud that my first Exordia highlight was "I am not going to be part of this story you’re telling each other."

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


StrixNebulosa posted:

If Downbelow Station was ruthlessly cut so that nothing relevant was on the table, Foreigner is the deepest opposite of that, where nothing is cut, you will learn how atevi braid their hair, drink some tea and chill. It's fantastic! I want her to write a dozen more of these! I.... still wish in my heart of hearts that she had done this to the Chanur setting instead as I find it more interesting, but fuckit, I love the atevi.

Extremely the same.

Also, while Foreigner mellows out and slows down a lot after the second trilogy, it's not like it's spinning its wheels either; you've got the atevi coup and temporary ousting of Tabini, civil war in the Assassin's Guild, a double handful of political fallout from those things, the habitation crisis on the station, second contact with the Kyo, the first steps towards resumed contact with Earth Company, and, my personal favourite, Bren finally gets to throw down with the Committee on Linguistics back on Mospheira.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









gently caress yeah I bet they prepare for and conduct some hardcore meetings about that last one

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


sebmojo posted:

gently caress yeah I bet they prepare for and conduct some hardcore meetings about that last one

They absolutely do and I am 100% here for it.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

ToxicFrog posted:

second contact with the Kyo, the first steps towards resumed contact with Earth Company

oh yeah, this was the biggest shock in the series

CaptainCrunch
Mar 19, 2006
droppin Hamiltons!

Doktor Avalanche posted:

oh yeah, this was the biggest shock in the series

I'll admit that, as much as I love her books and specifically the Foreigner series, I'd been flagging in my enthusiasm for them after about eighteen years. Finding out that the alien race the Kyo were fighting on the far side of their territory was Earth yanked me right back in.

Hiro Protagonist
Oct 25, 2010

Last of the freelance hackers and
Greatest swordfighter in the world
Are the Baru Cormorant books hopelessly bleak, or just regular bleak? I can handle bleakness, I like Malazan for example, but I have my limits at stuff like R. Scott Bakker (I got through the first book, liked it, but realized that was my limit and it wasn't gonna get any better). I feel a lot of the buzz around it makes it feel miserable to read, but that may just be me not knowing.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
I would say they are hopefully bleak, though Baru does go through points where she loses sight of that. There's nothing as graphically brutal as the harsher parts of Malazan.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Most of the stuff people find the queasiest is stuff America has done in the twentieth century. I don't know if that makes it better or worse though.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

General Battuta posted:

Most of the stuff people find the queasiest is stuff America has done in the twentieth century. I don't know if that makes it better or worse though.

Worse, absolutely worse. I honestly have been unable to read Baru due to how uh, relevantly upsetting it is. (This is not a mark against the trilogy, just that I am easily queased)

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Hiro Protagonist posted:

Are the Baru Cormorant books hopelessly bleak, or just regular bleak? I can handle bleakness, I like Malazan for example, but I have my limits at stuff like R. Scott Bakker (I got through the first book, liked it, but realized that was my limit and it wasn't gonna get any better). I feel a lot of the buzz around it makes it feel miserable to read, but that may just be me not knowing.

Regular bleak, with a leavening of hope, usually crushed but always returning like cancer.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
I wouldn't call the Baru books bleak but I think my barometer for darkness/bleakness etc. is calibrated wrong. :shrug:

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

I have only read the first one, but I would definitely call the setting bleak. It's a very bad place to live

E: by the way, were they meant to be a series from the beginning? or was the first book meant to be a standalone story

Yaoi Gagarin fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Feb 28, 2024

Poldarn
Feb 18, 2011

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

I wouldn't call the Baru books bleak but I think my barometer for darkness/bleakness etc. is calibrated wrong. :shrug:

I come to Baru Cormorant, not to praise her.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Yaoi Gagarin posted:

I have only read the first one, but I would definitely call the setting bleak. It's a very bad place to live

I always push back on this because there's this implication that saying "some people get it really bad and they want to change that" is bleakness. It's not bleak that colonialism disfigured the world. It's just true. Bleakness would be Baru being just fine with it, or completely resigned to it, or defying it and being destroyed utterly.

Like 'it's a very bad place to live' is really dependent on who you are. It's a great place to live if you're part of the colonial core! (like most of us) It's not a great place to live if you're an islander girl targeted by the residential school system.

So the motion to say "oh, it's so bleak, so terrible" is really saying "oh, the lives of these particular subaltern people, so bleak, so terrible." And implicit in that is the idea that their stories have been rendered untellable and discomforting and even morally impure by the colonial process—colonialism did bad things, so the colonized are now bad to read about. A story about some gifted girl in Falcrest doing cozy accounting while oblivious to the crimes of her government and corporation would not be 'bleak' even though it's in the same world.

So what's really bleak? The fact that Baru confronts some awful poo poo? Or the fact that a story which completely ignores all that awful poo poo would be some cozy competence porn no one would ever call bleak, despite living in the same world?

Jedit posted:

I come to Baru Cormorant, not to praise her.

??????

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends,_Romans,_countrymen,_lend_me_your_ears

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Yes, just—

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019


I got the reference but that sentence can be read in an extremely unfortunate way

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Sally Sprodgkin
May 23, 2007
I finished Exordia. I just loved the whole thing. Just loving loved it. I would love a sequel, it sucks to be pinioned.

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