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If I know anything about modern journalism, it’s because that’s what wikipedia calls it.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Itt old men yelling at clouds there’s already a radio channel for that poo poo that I complained about. it’s called P3.
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Feb 27, 2024 18:54
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Fruits of the sea posted:I'm not opposed, just really sad watching print and news media struggle and mostly fail to get the attention of said younger readership. Although I don't know NRK's numbers, maybe they are having some success I can't find sources to confirm or deny right now, but I'm pretty sure it's "yes". NRK has a big presence in schools, on social media and for childrens tv, and has turned around the negative trend in terms of younger viewers - these examples are just evolution of the project NRK started in 1990 with U and P3
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Feb 27, 2024 19:42
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ulvir posted:their mandate is to reach every age group, but nrk.no seems to be increasingly chasing teens and the infantilised ideal of a ~25 year old to the detriment of literally everything else. every article is either written in some dimwitted ~true crime~ voice, made into a worthless image-scrolling or is just so dumbed down to the point where the actual story is only half-correct. at this point, the only worthwhile part of their website is the live NTB news ticker on top. You also shout at clouds? This was what older people said about youth tv too ulvir posted:NRK’s incessant chase for young audiences has even P2 playing some poo poo about Mr Beast and youtuber drama on the radio in Studio 2 as we speak. gently caress everything about this P2 has a mandate to talk about a wide array of niche knowledge. By covering MrBeast my 75 year old dad now knows who one of the biggest media personalities in the world is You all are getting borderline reactionary over news you don't have to click on if you don't want to
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Feb 27, 2024 20:05
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this was on the radio, not the web. (and some youtuber is not, and will never be, "one of the biggest media personalities in the world"  .)e: I sometimes watch videos by some british guy who makes coffee, he probably has a couple of million subscribers, but I would never, ever assume anyone outside the coffee thread in GWS would even give a poo poo about this person, nor should they ulvir fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Feb 27, 2024 20:09
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Revelation 2-13 posted:If I know anything about modern journalism, it’s because that’s what wikipedia calls it. They call it the Israel-Hamas War, which is maybe closer to accurate, but not really. It's also unclear if Politiken meant "Gaza is Hamas" or "Hamas is waging war on Gaza". Guess they're too busy repeating NYT fake news from a genocidal zionist to proofread.
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Feb 27, 2024 20:34
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Anders posted:You also shout at clouds? This was what older people said about youth tv too i think it's telling that you're defending this on formal terms instead of actually arguing that this stuff is good content which has value independent of "nrk has in its charter that it's supposed to be all bad because a fair amount of people like bad stuff"
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Feb 27, 2024 22:30
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p2 has ok music coverage but it's gotten much worse at almost everything else. the most substantive current affairs programme they run these days is norsken svensken og dansken which is basically a mediocre politics podcast for ageing liberals. no part of nrk could make e.g. https://tv.nrk.no/serie/om-poesi/1975 or anything like it today. i watched old episodes of åpen post and it was incomparably better (in the sense that i felt more enlightened about the issues under discussion) than any contemporary programming on any nrk channel. even dagsrevyen is now majority braindead feel-good feature stuff. a public broadcaster is supposed to entertain, but also educate and inform. if it's just another garbage channel we can just close the whole thing down,
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Feb 27, 2024 22:38
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How can you inform if no one is watching?
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Feb 27, 2024 23:14
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V. Illych L. posted:i think it's telling that you're defending this on formal terms instead of actually arguing that this stuff is good content which has value independent of "nrk has in its charter that it's supposed to be all bad because a fair amount of people like bad stuff" it’s also incredibly defeatist. why on earth should reaching a younger audience or appeal more broadly have to mean making everything dumber and less interesting? when they already have several radio channels with different profiles, why does this have to mean that P2 should be more like the worthless, bastard child of P1 and P3?
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Feb 28, 2024 11:51
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Maybe they, like me, have recently stumbled upon an advertisement for an education in being a social media influencer, after which they've lost all hope in Norwegian culture being able to recover?
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Feb 28, 2024 13:25
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Everything Ulvir is saying. The NRK webpage is also incredibly person-focused. Everything they write about has to have a story about a person experiencing whatever the case is. "Kathrine (24) crashed her car in the dark. The road lightning needs to be improved - dark roads are dangerous" written by a journalist at the distriktskontor.
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Feb 28, 2024 16:44
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V. Illych L. posted:a public broadcaster is supposed to entertain, but also educate and inform. if it's just another garbage channel we can just close the whole thing down, more or less, yeah
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Feb 28, 2024 16:52
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Mordekai posted:Everything Ulvir is saying. The NRK webpage is also incredibly person-focused. Everything they write about has to have a story about a person experiencing whatever the case is. that's journalism 101 as taught in modern unis though
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Feb 28, 2024 18:08
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Baudolino posted:How can you inform if no one is watching? you just have to accept that your viewership will trend a little older and more educated instead of sacrificing everything to maximise technical engagement metrics it dagsrevyen has 300,000 viewers and functions as a useful current affairs programme it's more valuable than it if has 500,000 viewers and is mostly a human interest magazine. we have norge rundt for that. the problem is that "quality" is increasingly a frowned-upon concept, as we can see in e.g. the Litterære Arbeidsstipend-keruffle. if you cannot straightforwardly quantify something it will tend to lose out to things which can be easily quantified.
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Feb 28, 2024 18:12
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V. Illych L. posted:you just have to accept that your viewership will trend a little older and more educated instead of sacrificing everything to maximise technical engagement metrics If NRK hadn't changed its policies to actively try to engage younger audiences almost no millennials would watch it today - and that includes you. If they don't get 12-18 year olds to watch/read NRK today, they won't suddenly start at 35 when they've matured to "real" news like what you prefer Just don't click news articles you don't find interesting. Just accept that you won't like everything on a radio channel that cater to niche interests. The alternative is NRK dying a slow death and leaving all media to commercial interests. But sure, go yell at clouds if it makes you happy
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I'm no longer particularly invested in the state of Norway having a respectable news/public information service.
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Feb 29, 2024 15:54
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Anders posted:If NRK hadn't changed its policies to actively try to engage younger audiences almost no millennials would watch it today - and that includes you. If they don't get 12-18 year olds to watch/read NRK today, they won't suddenly start at 35 when they've matured to "real" news like what you prefer on the one hand you're making insane and completely unfounded assumptions here. on the other, i can find almost nothing on nrk that caters to my interests, which are by and large incredibly boring and mainstream. they're just not puddle-deep.
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Feb 29, 2024 17:59
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Anders posted:The alternative is NRK dying a slow death and leaving all media to commercial interests. and we can't have that because we'd lose all the valuable content they don't put out because they have to dumb down in order to compete for a market share and...wait, hang on
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Feb 29, 2024 18:30
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Apparently all the recently suspended SA accounts all used the password 'netcompany123'.
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Feb 29, 2024 19:05
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Anders posted:If NRK hadn't changed its policies to actively try to engage younger audiences almost no millennials would watch it today - and that includes you. what kind of drugs are you on?
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Feb 29, 2024 22:23
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Its not NRKs fault that our attention span is poo poo these days. They have to play the game so to speak. Though i wish televised debates on NRK could be sligthly less tabloid. Often you they are a net-negative when it comes to informing the public.
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Baudolino posted:Its not NRKs fault that our attention span is poo poo these days. They have to play the game so to speak. NRK could at least produce and offer more hearty fare than the nonsense they think is popular. they could keep it all on nrk2 and p2 and i'd be perfectly happy
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ulvir posted:what kind of drugs are you on? The Death of NRK was prophecied heavily in the early 90s, and iirc their viewership amongst young people feel dramatically until they started catering to younger audiences both on radio and on TV. Do you think 45 year olds in '95 didn't hate XXL and Åpen Post as you hate the media catered to teenagers and young adults now? It's not meant for us, but there is plenty of things on NRK where we are the target audience To answer your question: not enough
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Anders posted:To answer your question: not enough 
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Baudolino posted:Its not NRKs fault that our attention span is poo poo these days. They have to play the game so to speak. They don't have to play the game though. They get 6,4 billions from taxes. In my opinion that should not be used to compete for clicks.
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If it's one step closer to the death of Dagbladet it will be worth it.
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Sandweed posted:If it's one step closer to the death of Dagbladet it will be worth it. the current editor of dagbladet was the editor at nrk before they let her go because she wanted to push her clickbait project on them
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V. Illych L. posted:NRK could at least produce and offer more hearty fare than the nonsense they think is popular. they could keep it all on nrk2 and p2 and i'd be perfectly happy Yeah the Solvang promos they leaned extremely into were so cringe. Like, the one segment they have for grown-ups interested in the fine details of a good debate, and they completely Fox News’d it. Seems like they have learned now, a year too late, as always 
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The leader of the Konservative in Denmark died yesterday of a brain aneurysm while giving a speech at a party conference. He was 52. I didn't agree with him on like 90% of issues but he didn't deserve to go so early. Allegedly his last words was a promise to cut ties with the US republicans if they renominate Trump.
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jeebus bob posted:The leader of the Konservative in Denmark died yesterday of a brain aneurysm while giving a speech at a party conference. He was 52. On the upside, he was very close friends with Støjberg and she claims to be heartbroken. He was also pro-genocide. https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/debat/soeren-pape-poulsen-historieloesheden-frustrerer-mig-dybt quote:Jeg får beskeder, der tager udgangspunkt i, at Israel brutalt myrder civile, og at vi alle lukker øjnene for dette, særligt når Israel er en besættelsesmagt, der har taget palæstinensernes land. Jeg har ikke tal på, hvor ofte jeg hører dette. Det har fået mig til at tænke, at enten er historieløsheden total, eller også har nogle en helt anden dagsorden, der handler om, at Israel ikke længere skal eksistere.
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SplitSoul posted:On the upside, Grow up
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jeebus bob posted:Grow up Yes, it's so sad the lovely danish politician who gave no fucks about dead palestinian children died.
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what, exactly, is a batongliberal? noticed it in the comments section of an article about L wanting to put a kiddie lock on phone usage past kl23 (lol, lmao). I can find the term in use when I google it which has narrowed down what it could mean, but not exactly a definition?
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Never heard the term myself but it sounds like "pro-cop TOUGH ON CRIME shitlib".
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teen witch posted:what, exactly, is a batongliberal? noticed it in the comments section of an article about L wanting to put a kiddie lock on phone usage past kl23 (lol, lmao). Sounds like a localized version of champagne socialist, maybe
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I should mention there’s a lot of Johan Perhson showing up when I google. Like…a lot.
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Mymla posted:Never heard the term myself but it sounds like "pro-cop TOUGH ON CRIME shitlib". you are correct
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jeebus bob posted:Grow up Nah. Not crying for somebody who actively sought to immiserate vast swaths of the population and also favored genocide. He wrote that garbage after Israel had murdered 10,000 kids.
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