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Tankakern posted:rdp is the way if you have windows boxes then..? imo rdp was always the way. xrdp works really well, too bad there's no wayland equivalent (that i'm aware of, anyway)
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You don't need hardware decoding of vp9 to accelerate moving surfaces in a remote desktop protocol and as far as I can tell my virt-viewer doesn't hardware decode h264 either. It's just a bizarre decision by Red Hat, especially beause in the virt space there's no alternative. QXL/SPICE is how you connect to a VM if you need it to be performant, period. There is no paravirtualised rdp connection available. I use it all the time for testing of client deployments.
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Beeftweeter posted:imo rdp was always the way. xrdp works really well, too bad there's no wayland equivalent (that i'm aware of, anyway)
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Dropping spice is just completely insane. It's the standard for graphical connections to vms in linux. It would be one thing if they were introducing something better and gradually deprecating spice but just suddenly removing it makes no sense whatsoever.
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vp9 hardware decoding has been around for years at this point, and anything from the past couple of years will have av1 support they could very easily switch to a royalty-free codec and be done with it Beeftweeter posted:and either way they're already moving on to VVC/h.266, all that shits gonna be obsolete soon enough there is only now enough hardware support for av1 for streaming services to start adopting it, roughly 6 years after the bitstream freeze. it will be years before any new codec, especially a non-free one, starts seeing widespread adoption
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reading between the lines, redhat got a legal nastygram and now they expect you to get your spice from a 3rd party repo while still paying them for support
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Clark Nova posted:reading between the lines, redhat got a legal nastygram and now they expect you to get your spice from a 3rd party repo while still paying them for support
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how is H264 still in patent anyway, this poo poo came out 20 years ago
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The_Franz posted:vp9 hardware decoding has been around for years at this point, and anything from the past couple of years will have av1 support vp9 decoding has been around for years, that's true, but there's usually just a minimal implementation that decodes the main profile and nothing else (so you can't take advantage of many of the things that make vp9 possibly a decent codec). same wrt av1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV1#Hardware note how very little hardware is even on that list, let alone any of them being something you'd commonly find, uh, anywhere. and it's still not full support most of them can't do hardware encoding either
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Sapozhnik posted:how is H264 still in patent anyway, this poo poo came out 20 years ago you still have to pay to license a MPEG-2 codec implementation for fucks sake, they're not gonna let that poo poo go for as long as it's unchallenged (and yes, that's why most gpus dropped MPEG-2 hardware support) e: and before someone jumps on this here, yeah, software implementations are more than fast enough these days. it's still bullshit
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how about that Linux, am I right??
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hmm this is interesting it kinda seems like a decent replacement for people using redhat and wanting SPICE i guess? it says it uses h.264 and VAAPI for hardware acceleration "if possible", and notes its not compatible with nvidia (under which it will use a software encoder). i'm guessing that's x264 (because why wouldn't it be), and that's certainly fast enough to do realtime encoding on pretty much any cpu from the past decade
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Silver Alicorn posted:how about that Linux, am I right?? yep
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actually looking at the source i guess it uses pipewire for video encoding? i didn't know it could do that lol anyway it then seems to rely on libav for encoding, so if your system libav has support for VAAPI (or some other h.264 hw encoding method), it'll use that or fall back to whatever software encoder is installed so on a redhat system i'd guess that's unfortunately openh264 lol. just another reason to compile your own ffmpeg/libav
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oh, there's also MPEG-5 parts 1 and 2 (aka EVC/LCEVC). afaik there's a royalty-free subset of both, but i don't have any experience using either codec at all and don't know much that can decode it (other than ffmpeg/libav with the right libraries installed that is, but what isn't that true of)
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Pipewire does video/audio, but the krdp project is completely different from spice. Spice is used for VDI and VM connections. You spin up your VM with qemu (see qemu manpage, search for qxl), and connect to it. It's built straight into qemu and the paravirtualised driver lives in the kernel. The h246 poo poo is a smoke bomb.
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i know what spice is. you can't do this with krdp (afaict from looking briefly at the source, i haven't tried it myself yet), but with xrdp at least, you can point it at whatever VNC server you want (and qemu has a VNC server built in), then connect to it over rdp. i'd think that arrangement wouldn't give you hw acceleration though. it'll also connect to pulseaudio and forward the audio too like, i'm not saying it's a full-on replacement for SPICE in general across all of its different applications, but at least for the people that just use it for remote access, RDP might not be a bad alternative
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shackleford posted:oh lawd apparently the "2" in "s2idle" stands for "to", as in "Suspend-To-Idle", which uses ACPI state S0. thanks linus wait til you hear what acpi states s2ram and s2disk use
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Silver Alicorn posted:how about that Linux, am I right?? it’s not half bad
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Clark Nova posted:reading between the lines, redhat got a legal nastygram and now they expect you to get your spice from a 3rd party repo while still paying them for support either that or they (IBM's lawyers) only belatedly realized there was any video code in it at all also in case you were wondering whether fedora is an independent linux distro or just a testbed that IBM uses for developing RHEL https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mesa/c/94ef544b3f2125912dfbff4c6ef373fe49806b52?branch=rawhide posted:Drop codecs. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/PYUYUCM3RGTTN4Q3QZIB4VUQFI77GE5X/ posted:since this mesa change ( quote:This was an oversight being enabled prior to this, and I think we have then someone asked "what about open()" lmao i like how the european internet communists who run the debian project do not give a poo poo about software patents and ship those binaries all day and if you're some rear end in a top hat like broadcom with a bunch of video codec patents are you going to go after huge $200B market cap companies like netflix or IBM or are you going to waste your time going after a bunch of unincorporated internet communists with no market share
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installed kde neon into a vm at work. plasma 6 is pretty nice anyone know if its there's plans to add it to noble_updates or anything? don't @ me about using ubuntu
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shackleford posted:either that or they (IBM's lawyers) only belatedly realized there was any video code in it at all Fedora and RHEL share a legal team so this isn't really surprising
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drat, KDE6 is really nice and smooth. Almost like it's written by competent people with corporate backing.
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shackleford posted:either that or they (IBM's lawyers) only belatedly realized there was any video code in it at all that does suck for people using fedora, but ibm is ignoring alternatives that exist (and people using fedora are ignoring alternatives that exist, too. i suppose RHEL is a different story) using VAAPI they could use vp9, hardware decoding for that at least is fairly ubiquitous. but like i said afaik most hardware implementations are the bare minimum and do not include encoding capabilities they could also use av1, but like i said, hardware support is still extremely limited and almost nothing supports encoding anyway vp9 encoding is doable in software in realtime with libvpx, but av1? eehh not really so while they technically do exist, there aren't really many good alternatives. they should just allow people to choose to install whatever codecs they want e: and i'm pretty sure nobody is going to sue over h.264 support anyway. why would they? almost nobody uses fedora compared to distros that actually include the codecs. i could see them maybe going after RHEL users, but if they're already paying for a license, why not include one for h.264 then, too? Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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FlapYoJacks posted:drat, KDE6 is really nice and smooth. Almost like it's written by competent people with corporate backing. i've been using KDE pretty much full time (from XFCE) and yeah, it's really good. makes gnome look like even more of a children's toy
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Beeftweeter posted:i've been using KDE pretty much full time (from XFCE) and yeah, it's really good. makes gnome look like even more of a children's toy Gnome is a loving joke compared to KDE, and especially 6. I will say, the amount of options for KDE is a bit overwhelming at first.
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FlapYoJacks posted:Gnome is a loving joke compared to KDE, and especially 6. I will say, the amount of options for KDE is a bit overwhelming at first. yeah, it's hugely configurable and i love that, but the real cool thing is that you don't actually need to touch that poo poo to get a good desktop by default. like, it's fine as-is you absolutely can't say the same about gnome. it's garbage by default and the few options provided don't make it much better tbh it loving sucks that so much poo poo uses gtk because you have to practically install all of gnome for it to work properly
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s
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Beeftweeter posted:man, loving oneAPI oh i figured this out. it was one of the environmental source scripts i got fdk-aac to compile successfully, anyway. i still need to figure out what i can throw into ffmpeg to compile it, but at least configure isn't failing the compiler test anymore
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you’re thinking in terms of the MPEG LA but it’s probably A System and Method for the Efficient Encoding of a Graphical Virtual Machine owned by Patent Troll Inc.
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OK but where's the plasma 6 dance
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Beeftweeter posted:that does suck for people using fedora, but ibm is ignoring alternatives that exist (and people using fedora are ignoring alternatives that exist, too. i suppose RHEL is a different story) i would be shocked if IBM's lawyers are simply ignoring VP9/AV1. i would guess they are thoroughly familiar with the video codec patent risk landscape and have made a calculated decision to minimize the risk to IBM's shareholders of shipping video codec components that could plausibly have patents asserted against them. IBM sold their PC business to lenovo years ago, they simply do not care if headless RHEL servers sitting in a data center can play video or not. anyway i came across this comment on LinkedIn regarding the lawsuit netflix lost in germany: "When implementation of AV1 is widespread enough, it will be AV1’s time in the barrel."
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pseudorandom name posted:you’re thinking in terms of the MPEG LA but it’s probably A System and Method for the Efficient Encoding of a Graphical Virtual Machine owned by Patent Troll Inc. lol so the netflix H.265 lawsuit was over a patent entitled "Signaling of coding unit prediction and prediction unit partition mode for video coding" owned by Broadcom and appears to be something like, we used a B-tree somewhere, and now you can't
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Beeftweeter posted:i've been using KDE pretty much full time (from XFCE) and yeah, it's really good. makes gnome look like even more of a children's toy i tried ubuntu back in the day and a big part of me bouncing off it was how annoying gnome felt to use. trying out kubuntu right now and i'm really liking it a lot more.
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Beeftweeter posted:imo rdp was always the way. xrdp works really well, too bad there's no wayland equivalent (that i'm aware of, anyway) people like to think RDP is some kind of insanely insecure protocol but it's had TLS support baked in since server 2003/winxp x64 there is no excuse for using vnc or ssh x11 forwarding or teamviewer or whatever other garbage in 2024 whatsoever
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I have never needed a graphical connection to a remote machine (except X forwarding as a teenager just to marvel that it worked). What do you use it for?
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Athas posted:I have never needed a graphical connection to a remote machine (except X forwarding as a teenager just to marvel that it worked). What do you use it for? windows admin brain
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