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Arglebargle III posted:Oh also Paul gets stabbed right in his brachial artery and walks it off. He then takes out the knife with his left hand, transfers it to his right through lovely Feyd and without lovely Feyd noticing and stabs him.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Has there even been a goon rewrite that wasn't demonstrably much worse than the original not in living nor ancestral memory
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The Geidi Prime stuff was absolutely stunning, probably the most emotionally inducive art direction in a movie in decades in my opinion. The imperial court was mildly disappointing in comparison. Very excited to see what Villeneuve does with the guild navigators.
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I wonder if the Imperial court being so lame was a choice. It was underwhelming to say the least
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Arglebargle III posted:I wonder if the Imperial court being so lame was a choice. It was underwhelming to say the least feel like the imperial emissaries had more presence in 1
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i liked it, especially as such a direct contrast to Giedi Prime's grand monumental Giger power displays. the emperor's rule is personal and he has the luxury of pretending to be a nice old man puttering around a garden, the only person he gives a poo poo about is his daughter, the exercise of power seems to often happen in rooms with just the two of them, and this is the exact lever paul has to use to win. also it's been a while since i've seen 1 but between the out-of-armor sardaukar and pugh's final costume, they really leaned into the Crusader Knight theming with them this time eke out fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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Been trying to decide if I should make my first viewing at the normal-sized arthouse, where I know the other viewers will know how to behave themselves during a movie, or see it first in IMAX (a true, full-sized full-everything IMAX), where there's a higher risk of people being obnoxious. There's no other factor other than I have to wait until next week, at earliest, for the IMAX one, since it's sold out.
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Honestly I'd say this a movie that completely justifies IMAX. I'm sorely tempted to see it a second time just so I can IMAX it too.
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single-mode fiber posted:Been trying to decide if I should make my first viewing at the normal-sized arthouse, where I know the other viewers will know how to behave themselves during a movie, or see it first in IMAX (a true, full-sized full-everything IMAX), where there's a higher risk of people being obnoxious. There's no other factor other than I have to wait until next week, at earliest, for the IMAX one, since it's sold out. i saw RRR at alamo drafthouse and the guy next to me kept chucklefucking under his breath and muttering "noooo" it was like Chinese water torture go to imax fool
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Yeah it's worth it in IMAX, like every Villeneuve movie.
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I saw it at long last. I know everyone's excited for my take The weirdest departure for me was cucked Chani riding off. The book handled that better IMO
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Scags McDouglas posted:I saw it at long last. I know everyone's excited for my take That was the one change that fell a bit flat for me too, but less so in the context of the changes to the character up to that point (ie actual agency and motivation outside of being a prop for Paul), and especially less so if there’s a third movie. After I watched part 1 I went and watched a fan cut of the Lynch movie. I think this time I’m going to go rewatch the Sci-fi series. Denis’s Dune is the grandiose scale I imagined from the book, which the series is obviously lacking, but I do wonder how the series holds up to my memory in terms of being a straight adaptation.
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Absolutely loved this. I thought it was a hell of a lot better than the first - which I thought was great, but ultimately it was 150 minutes of setup for this much better movie. The way the first one was paced and ended actually scarred me a bit - as I spent the whole last hour wondering if they were going to cut to black and leave the finale for part 3. Every time there was a big swelling moment (of which there were loving loads) I was hoping I wasn't about to see Denis Villeneuve's name. It probably helps that I read the book over a decade ago and don't remember it too well so I could just sit back and enjoy the big worms. Paul learning to worm ride and being absolutely blasted with sand and wind and the finale are two of the best things I've seen in a cinema in recent memory.
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the way Feyd mockingly repeats Paul’s “may your knife chip and shatter” line was so good. Attention to detail can be seen in every frame of this movie aledesma fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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Highlight of the movie was the Giedi Prime goop fireworks.
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Austin Butler as Feyd is a perfect adaptation too, for a character who doesn't get that much screentime, he steals every scene he's in and just projects complete malevolence constantly.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Austin Butler as Feyd is a perfect adaptation too, for a character who doesn't get that much screentime, he steals every scene he's in and just projects complete malevolence constantly. I love how he channeled Skarsgård's performance at points. There were a few times where the camera was off him and I almost thought it was the Baron speaking.
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fishing with the fam posted:Highlight of the movie was the Giedi Prime goop fireworks. They were great, as was that enormous corridor lit through the windows by the light splatter.
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fishing with the fam posted:Highlight of the movie was the Giedi Prime goop fireworks. What was going on with the sun and lighting? It was a really cool visual but I have no idea what it was supposed to be
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Arglebargle III posted:What was going on with the sun and lighting? It was a really cool visual but I have no idea what it was supposed to be They mention in one line that Giedi Prime's sun is black. So it'd bleach out all colour.
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Arglebargle III posted:What was going on with the sun and lighting? It was a really cool visual but I have no idea what it was supposed to be https://youtu.be/3mbBbFH9fAg?si=nmixgMFYqNZDyVXt
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disposablewords posted:The spectrum of possible futures as physical features is just plainly the metaphor Herbert used so Paul isn't walking a literal road made of metal, so the golden path is a metaphor to him too. That's what the atreides believe, Mohiam et al think otherwise. I think it's important to remember we don't see any proof of whose beliefs are correct - we see them victorious, and of course they believe their internal justifications. Their anxiety over 'stagnation' makes sense too; they're all inbreed mutants of a feuding aristocracy!
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I'm trying to think of a physical explanation for that and drawing a blank. It looks like the light is so intense that we're seeing the fireworks flames as just shadows in the bright sunlight.
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Blood Boils posted:Paul isn't walking a literal road made of metal, so the golden path is a metaphor to him too. "Metaphor," "ideology," and "belief" aren't all the same word. Of course it's not a literal road made of metal, you're just misrepresenting what I said.
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Arglebargle III posted:Oh also Paul gets stabbed right in his brachial artery and walks it off.
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How can the Golden Path be ideological if you have no free will. It's the one series of events that doesn't lead to extinction, the choice is follow it or accept extinction. It's utterly pre-determined, that's the horror of being the Kwisatz Haderach and the hubris of the BG for ever thinking they could control it.
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ok had some more thoughts after seeing it for a third time: The change in Jessica's Voice was suitably creepy ("All of us") The Harkonnen desert suits looked so cool, those little fans in the back. Same for the sun visor we see on that ornithopter pilot I only realised on this watch that the imperial court on Arrakis was part of the ship - I thought the cables were just a lift but that's how it gets lowered down. when Paul drinks the water of life, he sees the killing blow he will deliver to Feyd-Rautha
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Dmitri-9 posted:Villeneuve likes him. Not all wrestlers have star power and they are also very cartoony. Bautista brings the menace that feels genuine. One analogy I can think of is Sabertooth from the X-Men, Liev Schreiber is a lot better than some rando wrestler from the first movie. You are right that a lot of other brute actors could replace him. notenome posted:As for prophecy and all, Herbert isn't a black or white kinda guy. The nature of prophecy is malleable in Dune because it's not outside human agency, which is what makes the characters monstrous in that they perceive themselves to be historical agents (this is the very explicit theme of the fourth book). According to Herbert Paul's arc in the three books is parabolic, he rejects, accepts and then rejects prophecy again.  I don't dislike the abruptness of the ending as much as I dislike how it didn't feel like it was earned. What I mean is, in the book Paul's very clearly motivated by revenge not just because his father got killed by Baron Harkonnen (and the Emperor), but Leto II I got killed by Harkonnens too, which is what sends him over the edge, as it were. In comparison, attacking the great houses for not recognizing his power-grab in DUNC 2, in my mind, isn't justified after he already got revenge on the Harkonnens and made Shaddam bow to him. sebmojo posted:Man that rocked. Agree about missing the spacing guild, i am disappointed about the lack of water discipline and the desert still doesn't actually look hot in any way, but otherwise that was exemplary. I kept thinking about things they cut, but then realising that actually it didn't make any difference not having them. Carpet posted:lolling again thinking about Chani teaching Paul how to properly sandwalk, and Paul going "well, back on Caladan I watched some YouTube tutorial videos and they said..." Arglebargle III posted:Oh also Paul gets stabbed right in his brachial artery and walks it off.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I get your point, and loyalty is something of a rare thing in Hollywood, so good on Denis and Bautista for sticking to it - but at the same time, I think Bautista can do better if challenged a bit more. Dude wants to be a character actor, so he aims for the small roles in things with good directors and scripts.
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If anyone's a cunning linguist, you might like the second part of this article.Cognac McCarthy posted:Everybody laughed in our screening at this and a few other parts. I was surprised by the humor in the movie Monica Bellucci posted:Dude wants to be a character actor, so he aims for the small roles in things with good directors and scripts.
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Just got out the cinema and I feel really disappointed with this. With part 1 I think he did a great job of trimming the plotlines down and compressing things to get to the core of the novel. But here it feels like he's cut out most of the plot and character dynamics. The biggest casualty is Stilgar, who comes off like a cartoonish buffoon. We can expect to hear lots of comparisons to Life of Brain. And without his slow decline from pragmatic leader to religious follower I think the emotional weight of the movie gets completely gutted. And the removal of the ecological motives in favour of religious hope and fervour also hollows out Firemen culture, which makes *their* descent into religious obsession feel less tragic too. The visuals were gorgeous, as expected. But I feel like the whole movie runs on vibes rather than story Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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I think I liked the aesthetics and feel of the first movie more. As this sorta dream-like experience. This was more of a movie-movie - it’s good though. Don’t get me wrong! And the 3 hours go by so fast. Prob one of the best sci-fi duologies (maybe trilogy!) in a long time. Villeneuve is a master.
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Oh one more thing that I noticed, before I watch it again on Thursday: the vision Paul has of him fighting the holy war in that Fremen battle armour, we actually see in Part 2 but it's Chani doing the badass fighting athletics. Feyd-Rautha also looked even more like Billy Corgan in that suit he wears when confronting Baron Harkonnen after the gladiator fight.
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Just saw it, I never read the book. Saw the lynch adaptation before these recent adaptations. I'm actually going to watch the mini-series now, because after the Denis adaptation, I want to see how that went. On Part 2, I like it but at the end I wish I could've had captions because ,just spoiling in case, I didn't get why the emperor went to Arrakis to meet with the Harkkonens and why the other houses were gathering there too And I don't know if some dialogue explaining it went by me so quick and I didn't hear or if it wasn't explained. The sound in the imax theater, good lord. My body was rumbling. Like I think this is the first time I ever felt the sound system completely vibrating me. That was fun.
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Miching Mallecho posted:
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Arglebargle III posted:It's not explained very well but Paul sent him a letter. We don't learn the contents. The great houses are there because the baron sends a message telling them that the emperor is attacking a house.
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saw it in imax 70mm this morning. it looked and sounded fantastic, but every story beat felt really rushed or like too much development happens off screen. lady jessica using the voice felt overused and lacked impact when she's telling a servant or whatever to do something they would already do if she commanded them in a normal voice. wish there was more restraint on that. there was also less ambiguity to anything, which i think made the first movie stronger for having more of it be dreamlike or shown in visions. in this one, any vision is immediately explained and described and chronological instead of lending any mystery to the experience. but then we also get character development that happens with no explanation really so it's jarring. again, lady jessica turns into this reverend mother figure for the fundamentalists and has some evil plot(?) that we think is bad but then it's swept under the rug and she's on paul's side or he's on hers or whatever and it's all fine? idk. it felt a little disjointed.
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