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Google Jeb Bush posted:what bone does the ufcw have to pick with the Biden admin They said they don't have any policy issues with his presidency, but they think he can't beat Trump. quote:In a statement shared first with NBC News after its executive board voted on the endorsement Wednesday night, the Washington union called Biden “an ally to workers over the last four years,” but suggested it is not confident in his ability to defeat likely GOP nominee Donald Trump in November.
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Considering democrat complacency was a factor in Trump winning in 2016, organizers who think Biden's got it in the bag probably won't say so publicly.
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It boggles my loving mind how much energy people who claim to be progressive/ leftist/socialist expend so much loving effort into undermining our only non-violent chance at stopping the Fash from getting full control and unhindered access to the powerful and effective war machine on the planet. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Xand_Man posted:Considering democrat complacency was a factor in Trump winning in 2016, organizers who think Biden's got it in the bag probably won't say so publicly. this, hopefully. Skex posted:It boggles my loving mind how much energy people who claim to be progressive/ leftist/socialist expend so much loving effort into undermining our only non-violent chance at stopping the Fash from getting full control and unhindered access to the powerful and effective war machine on the planet. while i sorta agree, i dont think its actually THAT many who are like that. i do think alot of people arnt happy for various reasons that have been shown and will either stay home or vote because GOP is worse threat where they live or etc. there are some very loud "AFTER TRUMP, US" types but i dont think those types have actual numbers. personally, i am gonna try to do campaign work or something this summer and fall.
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Rand Brittain posted:I spent several days this week annoyed and frustrated by my inability to remember the name of the lead singer from No Doubt, and refusing to look it up until my brain decided to remember it, and about two days later it decided to allow access to the variable "Gwen Stefani" again. A great ska band
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They said they don't have any policy issues with his presidency, but they think he can't beat Trump. Why would they admit this wtf 
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Skex posted:It boggles my loving mind how much energy people who claim to be progressive/ leftist/socialist expend so much loving effort into undermining our only non-violent chance at stopping the Fash from getting full control and unhindered access to the powerful and effective war machine on the planet. No, no, you don't understand! Trump winning will make people vote HARDER next time and put a real progressive in after they've had enough! Just like helping Trump win in 2016 by not voting and calling Clinton corrupt led to Trump policies and actions that Iran said led to October 7 and Israel killing 31k Palestinians, so now Palestinians will go that much harder for their own homeland! Wait... nevermind, wrong victims of my accelerationism. Let me go withhold my vote from the guy I didn't help elect to demand a ceasefire that he has no real power to enact to stop the killing that's happening as a result of the guy that I did help elect. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Why would they admit this wtf The other main motivator seems to be expressing opposition to Biden's Israel policies (fair) so I'm kinda getting the impression that the union's strategic plans on this particular endorsement just aren't very coherent. They're also unified in saying they'll back "whoever the democratic nominee is" (it's Biden if he's alive and not a potato) so, whatever, it's an internal primary policy play in March. Long as their unaffiliated delegates (if any) don't suck, I don't much care. I'm personally scheming to get an extra one or two national delegates willing to consider Not Harris if Commander fails to eat the next assassin, so it's not like I'm going to throw too many stones at goofy low-probability primary plays. e: vvvv yeah that's why I think the Israel thing is a pretty solid strategy and leavening it with "but also maybe Biden can't beat trump" is a bit Unions In Unarray decision making ee: eh I guess there's actually also a pretty good galaxy brain play in knowing for a fact that the unaffiliated delegates are going to be more aligned with you than Generic Biden Delegate. I still think the messaging is iffy but I can see making the "what if Biden is a loser" play for incredibly boring delegate distribution reasons Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Mar 3, 2024 |
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Wait, I thought the primary was the time when you were supposed to express your political misgivings and attempt to steer the party towards your preferred outcomes.
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Skex posted:It boggles my loving mind how much energy people who claim to be progressive/ leftist/socialist expend so much loving effort into undermining our only non-violent chance at stopping the Fash from getting full control and unhindered access to the powerful and effective war machine on the planet. It's a little deeper than that too, because while the voices in online left circles constantly crowing about weak polls and doomed Dems are soundly from the left of Democrats, if the polls have any validity whatsoever, Biden's not struggling because Americans crave M4A, corporate crackdowns, a free Palestine, or that long-lost $400 or whatever. He's doing badly primarily with people who think he's soft on crime and the border and that his massive handouts caused inflation. Not people angry he's a centrist but people sure he's a leftist. The things that Americans trust Republicans on more than Democrats should be pants-shittingly terrifying from the perspective of anyone who wants to move the party left, regardless of whether they like the Dems or not, and even regardless of whether they want to do it by the the ballot or the gun. Reacting by chortling at the libs either suggests someone who is more of a generic political contrarian who prefers a leftist aesthetic to a libertarian one or something, or else is real, real dumb.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Why would they admit this wtf Because they love the tremendous amount of stuff he did for unions during his administration, and want him to keep doing that stuff. So they don't want him to think that they're withholding their endorsement because he's doing the wrong things for them. They'd like him to keep doing stuff that directly benefits them, even though they refused to endorse him. This is only the Washington chapter, though. The national leadership endorsed him over six months ago, which makes me wonder if this might be a manifestation of internal conflicts in the union's power structure.
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Ogmius815 posted:You know that inflation has been pretty close to 3% for about 8 months now right? I know that’s above the 2% the fed says it wants but it’s hardly the 9% or so it was in 2022. I think this misses some of the nuances of what inflation actually does, especially following periods of high inflation. So lets have a look at some charts, all of these are drawn from the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis data. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/ Average Hourly Earnings vs CPI  Pretty typical for what we would see when looking at wage growth and inflation since Jan 2021 when Biden became president. Wage growth is a touch above inflation at the start, however we see the high levels of inflation from Q2 2021 to Q2 2022. After this inflation drops back to ~4% by the start of 2023 and to ~3% today. Wages changes at around 4%, and do rise as inflation spikes to about 6% by 2021 however also fall when inflation is at it's highest only increasing by ~5% before passing the rate of inflation at the middle to end of 2022 and sitting ~1-2% above inflation since then. From this you would conclude that while people suffered pain during most of 2021 when inflation was at its highest and wages were not growing in line with it that pain would have eased through 2022 as wage growth outstripped inflation and things started to get relatively cheaper right? Unfortunately since we're dealing with percentages that's not quite an accurate representation. Lets have a look at a simplified example. A person makes 500 dollars and spends 500 dollars weekly. We have some high inflation where wages increase but don't keep up, followed by a long period of wages growing above inflation.  The person earning 500 dollars sees prices increasing and getting further away relative to what they earn. However those prices only start relatively coming down very slowly. And you can see that in Q3 Year 3 the pain (of being 10% worse off) is just as bad as it was when inflation was at 9%. While they are less worse off than they were, they are still worse off compared to where they started. That is what we see in this graph.  Here I have taken the index for both CPI and Average hourly earnings and set them both to 100 for Jan 2021. The difference between the lines is how far behind you have fallen. While the gap between the lines has started to narrow since April 2023 there is still a pretty big difference between wages and prices, in fact the gap is similar to where it was in Feb 2022 when inflation was at 9%. TLDR: Inflation percentage figures alone do not effectively measure economic pain over the long term and I don't think it's unfair to say Biden is being hurt by the fact it is going to take a long time for wages to catch up to where people were at the start of 2021.
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hooman posted:I think this misses some of the nuances of what inflation actually does, especially following periods of high inflation. One can also just look at the series, "Real median usual weekly earnings" to see the interplay of wage growth and inflation in one line. 
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Main Paineframe posted:Because they love the tremendous amount of stuff he did for unions during his administration, and want him to keep doing that stuff. So they don't want him to think that they're withholding their endorsement because he's doing the wrong things for them. They'd like him to keep doing stuff that directly benefits them, even though they refused to endorse him. This makes me curious - how much coordination/communication is there between local and national unions? Obviously some, for any kind of collective action, but I guess not at the level of local endorsements? I'm sure it varies quite a bit from one union to the next, but it's something I'd never thought of before.
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The Artificial Kid posted:This is good strategy. We should all start brainstorming ways to make Trump’s only viable opponent look weak and unelectable. The responsibility for Biden not looking weak and unelectable lays with Biden and his media team/campaign/strategists. Not with random goons on internet forums.
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hooman posted:The responsibility for Biden not looking weak and unelectable lays with Biden and his media team/campaign/strategists. I don't think anything Biden can do would stop people from buying propaganda about him.
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Skex posted:It boggles my loving mind how much energy people who claim to be progressive/ leftist/socialist expend so much loving effort into undermining our only non-violent chance at stopping the Fash from getting full control and unhindered access to the powerful and effective war machine on the planet. You can't defeat Fascism with nonviolence. If you truly believe we are so close to a fascist takeover that this is the last line, then you must accept that violence is coming regardless.
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Kagrenak posted:One can also just look at the series, "Real median usual weekly earnings" to see the interplay of wage growth and inflation in one line. I had a look at that one, but didn't end up using it because that was "Employed full time" which around 30% of US workers aren't. For example it massively shoots up when a heap of poor people lost their jobs over COVID which isn't really representative of the economic situation for a lot of people. socialsecurity posted:I don't think anything Biden can do would stop people from buying propaganda about him. That's still the responsibility of Biden and his team, not of a random forum goon.
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Killer robot posted:It's a little deeper than that too, because while the voices in online left circles constantly crowing about weak polls and doomed Dems are soundly from the left of Democrats, if the polls have any validity whatsoever, Biden's not struggling because Americans crave M4A, corporate crackdowns, a free Palestine, or that long-lost $400 or whatever. He's doing badly primarily with people who think he's soft on crime and the border and that his massive handouts caused inflation. Not people angry he's a centrist but people sure he's a leftist. The things that Americans trust Republicans on more than Democrats should be pants-shittingly terrifying from the perspective of anyone who wants to move the party left, regardless of whether they like the Dems or not, and even regardless of whether they want to do it by the the ballot or the gun. Reacting by chortling at the libs either suggests someone who is more of a generic political contrarian who prefers a leftist aesthetic to a libertarian one or something, or else is real, real dumb. "Immigration was listed as the top issue facing the country in the poll, with 36 percent saying so. Price increases and inflation came in second with 33 percent." From: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4490145-voters-see-border-as-bidens-biggest-failure-poll/ I think that corporate crackdowns on price gouging could definitely address the number two issue.
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hooman posted:I had a look at that one, but didn't end up using it because that was "Employed full time" which around 30% of US workers aren't. It's ultimately up to individuals to navigate propaganda. I'm not sure what some political consultant is going to do to stop people from watching fox news or reading dumb poo poo on twitter. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Mar 3, 2024 |
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:It's ultimately up to individuals to navigate propaganda. I'm not sure what some political consultant is going to do to stop people from watching fox news or reading dumb poo poo on twitter. Yes, as an individual sure, but in terms of a whole voting populace it's the responsibility of the Biden administration to respond to and counter propaganda. That was the whole point of the border bill with the Republicans wasn't it?
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Byzantine posted:Wait, I thought the primary was the time when you were supposed to express your political misgivings and attempt to steer the party towards your preferred outcomes.
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hooman posted:The responsibility for Biden not looking weak and unelectable lays with Biden and his media team/campaign/strategists. If their forum plan to go out and let everyone know that Biden is vulnerable to primary attack is of no significance then how much less significant must be the post that you’re responding to? How many iterations of people responding to this post and then the response and so on until we fold up into a micro-dimension and disappear altogether?
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Skex posted:It boggles my loving mind how much energy people who claim to be progressive/ leftist/socialist expend so much loving effort into undermining our only non-violent chance at stopping the Fash from getting full control and unhindered access to the powerful and effective war machine on the planet. They think they can turn Trump left. Trump is weird because, despite having a track record from his first administration, a lot of Americans still project their beliefs on him and think he will sway that way.
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Instead of just moaning about the UFCW Washington statement did it occur to you to post it? https://ufcw3000.org/news/2024/2/29...ashington-state quote:We stand in solidarity with our partners in Michigan who sent a clear message in their primary that Biden must do more to address the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Biden must push for a lasting ceasefire and ending US funding toward this reckless war. It's a Gaza protest, no more. Good for them for doing it. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They said they don't have any policy issues with his presidency, but they think he can't beat Trump. Absolutely false statement. Somebody fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Mar 4, 2024 |
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The Artificial Kid posted:If their forum plan to go out and let everyone know that Biden is vulnerable to primary attack is of no significance then how much less significant must be the post that you’re responding to? How many iterations of people responding to this post and then the response and so on until we fold up into a micro-dimension and disappear altogether? Biden's team could do something about this, to address him looking "weak and unelectable". Why is it instead the responsibility of someone who wants to apply pressure to Biden?
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hooman posted:Biden's team could do something about this, to address him looking "weak and unelectable". Why is it instead the responsibility of someone who wants to apply pressure to Biden? If someone is crafting narratives to portray Biden as weak and unelectable, then they absolutely bear some responsibility for that. Yes, Biden's team is responsible for countering such attacks, but that doesn't mean the person who made those attacks isn't responsible for their own attacks.
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Main Paineframe posted:If someone is crafting narratives to portray Biden as weak and unelectable, then they absolutely bear some responsibility for that. Yes, Biden's team is responsible for countering such attacks, but that doesn't mean the person who made those attacks isn't responsible for their own attacks. I agree, but in the context of this discussion where the post Artificial Kid was responding to said: drawkcab si eman ym posted:With Super Tuesday looming, I find it important to remember that local and state elections can be an important way to make your voice heard. The national polling again does not look good for Democrats and maybe this time, the shoe is ready to fall or drop off the other foot. Politicians, more than ever, are jockeying for future posts. Which, unless I'm seriously misreading this post, is not an attempt to portray Biden as weak and unelectable. Those were the words The Artificial Kid used in response. That is what I was objecting to. If Biden's campaign thinks it makes him look weak and unelectable it's on them to respond to it, not on voters (or goons) to not have their voices heard in a primary. hooman fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Mar 3, 2024 |
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Okuteru posted:They think they can turn Trump left. I don't think anyone thinks that, they just don't feel there's enough difference between him and Biden. I don't see how "respects democracy" vs "ignores democracy" doesn't move the needle for them, but that seems to be what we're faced with.
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Skex posted:It boggles my loving mind how much energy people who claim to be progressive/ leftist/socialist expend so much loving effort into undermining our only non-violent chance at stopping the Fash from getting full control and unhindered access to the powerful and effective war machine on the planet. Don't bleat and moan about the tepid half measures in the IRA, or how the evil means supreme court or Congress ties his hands. If as you say, America is facing down the barrel of actual factual fascism for realsies, he should be embracing far more decisive and unequivocal action to secure the safety of the war machine.. which presently is lending its full support to the extermination of a bunch of Gazans herded into the corner of their territory. At some point, folk are sick of voting for the lesser of two evils if it's still producing a net result of evil (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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dadrips posted:What reason do leftists have for supporting someone who has allowed reproductive rights to be trampled on, done nothing to expand access to healthcare or improve people's material circumstances, and been a full-throated supporter of the ongoing Israeli genocide? I think it’s the “respects democracy” vs “ignores democracy” thing. If Trump gets in it all burns down. If that’s what you want, fine, but we should be clear about it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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dadrips posted:What reason do leftists have for supporting someone who has allowed reproductive rights to be trampled on, done nothing to expand access to healthcare or improve people's material circumstances, and been a full-throated supporter of the ongoing Israeli genocide? As someone who doesn't want to vote for Biden myself, I'd love to hear a logical argument for not supporting the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately the people who support this position have not really shown up in the electoral politics thread, where the conversation would be more appropriate. I made a plea early in that thread to help me understand how I could ethically and logically not vote for Biden, and all I got were people helping me rationalize my default position of voting for Biden.
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Eiba posted:Because the other guy is obviously worse and if Biden loses all the bad things he's causing will not get better and will in fact get worse. If you're happy with that, and believing that the lesser of the two evils is what you want, by all means go ahead and endorse it. However there's plenty of us who are sick to the back teeth of lending our support to half measures in the hope of full measures, then being told to be content with quarter measures and that a half measure was never really realistic in the first place Bucky Fullminster posted:I think it’s the “respects democracy” vs “ignores democracy” thing. The democracy that allows some of the most indefensible gerrymandering on the planet, allows the electoral college to exist, and can be overridden with a supreme court that the democrats refuse to pack? Yeah, it sounds real worthy of respect.. dadrips fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Mar 3, 2024 |
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dadrips posted:It already has got worse, and will continue to do so barring the democrats being significantly better on a variety of issues instead of aspiring to be slightly less (or equally as) bad than the other guy. For decades they beat the drum of being the party of reproductive rights, and now that there's a nationwide effort to roll that back, their response has amounted to harsh words and nothing more. Again, if the stakes are as high as fascism like the person I quoted says, I'd expect a far more visceral and urgent reaction than "here's a guy who is dying before your very eyes, now donate your life savings to our party fund" Biden does not actually have to be good to be better than the alternative.
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Eiba posted:I'm super not happy about any of this, but I don't think you understand what I mean by "worse". I do not mean things will not be as good as they are now. I mean the decline under Biden will clearly not be as steep as the decline under Trump. As bad as things will be in the future under Biden, things in the future will be worse under Trump.
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dadrips posted:Ok, great, you can choose which rate of decline you're happy with and allow the democrats to take that vote as a full-throated endorsement of their trajectory, which by your own admission will also be worse. Use your vote this year, go hog wild! In your view are Americans, on balance, crying out for socialism that the Democratic Party simply refuses to deliver?
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dadrips posted:Ok, great, you can choose which rate of decline you're happy with and allow the democrats to take that vote as a full-throated endorsement of their trajectory, which by your own admission will also be worse. Use your vote this year, go hog wild! In terms of how the Democrats will interpret my vote- if I thought the Democrats losing to Trump would shift them to the left, that would be an interesting proposition for a potential long term improvement. I don't know how you can look at how they reacted to their defeat in 2016 and reach that conclusion. It seems far more likely that they will take their defeat as a message that they need to appeal more to the fascists who are actually turning out to vote, rather than the leftists who have disengaged with the political process.
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