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jokes posted:yall are thinking about this way too much, the SCOTUS was never going to allow states to unilaterally decide that trump did an insurrection making him constitutionally ineligible to hold office yeah but "let congress decide" is also a lovely idea
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Mar 4, 2024 17:13
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/BBKogan/status/...%5Es1_&ref_url= congress riding the minibus towards a budget deal
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Mar 4, 2024 17:13
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Philthy posted:No, I would expect them to back up what they were saying. They said their job is to defend the constitution, so if the President tried to make them break that oath, they would resign. What I would have expected them to say is that they would continue defending their oath, including ignoring any Presidential orders that break that. Meaning they would never step down for a rogue leader. if trump actually had power over that mob he would have sent them to the SCOTUS next to kill most of them too after killing most of the congress, but i guess nobody gives a poo poo about things anymore and if there's one thing american institutions apparently like to do, it's invite foxes into the hen house
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Mar 4, 2024 17:13
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still blows my mind that we have concrete evidence that SCOTUS justices are being bribed by nazi billionaires and there's nothing to be done about it. and also the wife of one of them is a primary architect of J6th.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:16
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i hate them, but i dont think they do. i think they want this over and trump isnt gonna help them and rulling in his favor doesnt help them. Sorry, I think our discussion was lost in translation. I think the SC will rule against Trump's immunity but give him what he really needs- those sweet, sweet delays. It appears from a few reads of your post that you also think they will rule against him. My position is that they're assholes, but they play 4D chess just fine and in this case, dragging their heels benefits him in a way that's less direct.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:16
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I bet the party of "STATE'S RIGHTS!!!!!" is very upset by this ruling.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:17
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jokes posted:if trump actually had power over that mob he would have sent them to the SCOTUS next to kill most of them too after killing most of the congress, but i guess nobody gives a poo poo about things anymore and if there's one thing american institutions apparently like to do, it's invite foxes into the hen house Are you completely forgetting that December 2020 saw MULTIPLE Trump events in DC, including a Jericho March around the Supreme Court building? The chuds were absolutely hoping they could break all the institutions of the country through whatever means possible well before J6. It's one of the reasons the FBI and Capitol Police not assuming something would happen seems insane.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:18
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Scags McDouglas posted:Sorry, I think our discussion was lost in translation. I think the SC will rule against Trump's immunity but give him what he really needs- those sweet, sweet delays. yeah they will rule against trump. while i think they will "delay" i think it will be released in june or so.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:19
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Someone please put this SCOTUS decision in the most simplistic words for my dumb rear end. Is it good or bad???
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Mar 4, 2024 17:19
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loving Moron posted:Someone please put this SCOTUS decision in the most simplistic words for my dumb rear end. basicaly states can't just decide to make qualifications to toss canidates, only congress can do that.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:20
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loving Moron posted:Someone please put this SCOTUS decision in the most simplistic words for my dumb rear end. Everyone agrees that Colorado can’t kick Trump off the ballot. 5 of 6 conservatives say that it’s up to Congress, which is actually kind of bad. Not sure who the hold out conservative is, I assume Roberts.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:21
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Rod Hoofhearted posted:Everyone agrees that Colorado can’t kick Trump off the ballot. Barrett
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Mar 4, 2024 17:23
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Galginaitis posted:Barrett  
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Mar 4, 2024 17:23
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Warbird posted:It's the right decision though I hate it. If you say it's all cool and good then any state with a Republican majority is going to just make it impossible to even vote for anyone they don't want. Look at NC where Cotham ratfucked the state into a Republican supermajority, they can do whatever they drat please and already doing as much. The take-away for me is that the narrative remains in place: TRump committed insurrection; his behaviour was so egregious that at least three state courts opted to remove him from the ballot. This should be hammered home for the rest of the year. He may lose because he'll be convicted of a felony. He may lose because he's clearly broke, and will bleed the RNC white, and their weak messaging will be even weaker He may die or be severely disabled.. The only thing that we can rely on is our vote. The courts won't save us but they are helping to set the narrative. Keep your foot on his neck and vote until he is irrelevant.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:24
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So what's the actual process for removing someone from the ballot at this point? Can Congress lay out a set of rules for determining whether a person is removed or do they need individual acts specifically naming the person in question? If it's the former, could the sitting President veto the bill? If it's the later, wouldn't it count as a bill of attainder? It kinda feels like SCOTUS is just saying that impeachment is required to bar someone from the ballot, which sort of makes that whole part of the 14th moot, or at least not apply to the President.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:26
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kazil posted:yeah but "let congress decide" is also a lovely idea "Sorry guys, but 25 of the 50 states agreed that Jefferson Davis can't be kicked off the ballot, and you have to let him have a shot at being president post this whole 'Civil War' thing. Even if he does order the executive branch to cease enforcement of any statutes granted by the 13th or 14th Amendment, there's nothing you can do besides just vote!"
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Mar 4, 2024 17:27
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Guys I don't think I like this Donald Trump fellow.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:30
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to be fair, things were a shitshow after the Civil War too and the Confederates also effectively managed to make it less about the traitor poo poo and even get the govt to make them monuments so this is all par for the course with how America doesn't want to acknowledge its own rot and only wants to carry on we did keep some British traditions around, apparently
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Mar 4, 2024 17:30
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PainterofCrap posted:The take-away for me is that the narrative remains in place: dont tell me what to do
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Mar 4, 2024 17:30
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PainterofCrap posted:The take-away for me is that the narrative remains in place: Thank you. And thanks to the other replies above. I love you guys.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:31
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Lord Harbor posted:So what's the actual process for removing someone from the ballot at this point? Can Congress lay out a set of rules for determining whether a person is removed or do they need individual acts specifically naming the person in question? If it's the former, could the sitting President veto the bill? If it's the later, wouldn't it count as a bill of attainder? It kinda feels like SCOTUS is just saying that impeachment is required to bar someone from the ballot, which sort of makes that whole part of the 14th moot, or at least not apply to the President. basically, if a president trips and falls into an insurrection only congress can do the things necessary to remove him from the ballot in states yes this means congress can effectively protect/ruin any president by saying they committed an insurrection but they can't even decide on who the speaker should be so lol on this one no this doesn't establish parliamentary procedure in any way, so bad faith republicans will probably make it be simple majority when they hold the congress and 2/3 majority when they don't lol yes this is bad for biden lol
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Mar 4, 2024 17:33
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PKMN Trainer Red posted:Guys I don't think I like this Donald Trump fellow. He's a real wasteman
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Mar 4, 2024 17:33
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StrangersInTheNight posted:this is all par for the course with how America doesn't want to acknowledge its own rot and only wants to carry on I'd argue that a chunk of America doesn't want to acknowledge the rot, but also that a not-insignificant portion of it wants that rot to take over. It's just a shame that all the media folks are pro-rot and fill peoples' heads with it 24/7.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:35
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Lord Harbor posted:So what's the actual process for removing someone from the ballot at this point? Can Congress lay out a set of rules for determining whether a person is removed or do they need individual acts specifically naming the person in question? If it's the former, could the sitting President veto the bill? If it's the later, wouldn't it count as a bill of attainder? It kinda feels like SCOTUS is just saying that impeachment is required to bar someone from the ballot, which sort of makes that whole part of the 14th moot, or at least not apply to the President. This was my read on it, if congress actually did this it would be immediately challenged as an unconstitutional bill of attainder. Which would probably be upheld if it were keeping a republican off the ballot and found to not technically be a bill of attainder if it was a democrat. They’re basically saying that exercising this requires a power that congress doesn’t seem to have?
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Mar 4, 2024 17:36
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god this thread really sucks lately stop doomering endlessly over early lovely polls, literally anything television media cares about, and obvious supreme court rulings
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Mar 4, 2024 17:37
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funeral home DJ posted:I'd argue that a chunk of America doesn't want to acknowledge the rot, but also that a not-insignificant portion of it wants that rot to take over. It's just a shame that all the media folks are pro-rot and fill peoples' heads with it 24/7. put America in a med-bed
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Mar 4, 2024 17:37
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It's Trump vs Biden round 2 nothing will change that not even jailing the wet man. Biden already won this last time, he'll win again. He hasn't even started his campaign.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:38
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Jelly posted:god this thread really sucks lately  I understand the spirit of the doomerism, I do, but at a certain point you just gotta hold firm and hope regardless of how miserable it is.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:39
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kazil posted:yeah but "let congress decide" is also a lovely idea Oh it absolutely is, especially because the last few years have taught us that if you put in enough petty motherfuckers, Congress can barely even function Just lol at the fact that there is no way the founders of this country ever dreamed of any of this going down
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Mar 4, 2024 17:40
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I think Biden wins, but "he hasn't started campaigning" is such a weird argument. He's the sitting president. Everything he does is his campaign.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:40
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emSparkly posted:Jesus Christ. Yeah I can’t even imagine how kids dealt with all that poo poo. I feel so cut off from them. My son voted in the Primary for the first time this year. The night after the election in 2016, I was getting the then-10-year-old into bed, and he looked at me and told me he hoped they didn't take away my right to vote. He was aware, and he'd definitely been listening to the conversations around the election. And, I'd say it was a definite turning point for him. He's always been interested in history/alternate history, enough so that we had to forbid discussing certain historical events in public. I was worried that he'd fall to the Conservative elements in that fandom since he is a young, white male. Prime pickings for them. I don't worry about that anymore. The kid is further to the Left than me in some areas, and one of the places we're likely to visit soon on a weekend on his request is the Eugene V Debs Museum. My 13 year old nephew is pretty much the same way. They grew up tired of this crap. LOL
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Mar 4, 2024 17:41
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Anything in the proposed budget about student loans?
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Mar 4, 2024 17:41
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MechaX posted:Oh it absolutely is, especially because the last few years have taught us that if you put in enough petty motherfuckers, Congress can barely even function Like, I don't buy that they didn't have shitfuckers like Trump back in the 1700s. They are not a jet age invention
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Mar 4, 2024 17:41
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Data Graham posted:Like, I don't buy that they didn't have shitfuckers like Trump back in the 1700s. They are not a jet age invention Reality television host and pro wrestler was not very common in the 18th century.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:42
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Jelly posted:god this thread really sucks lately I'll give you the first two but you can pry my bullshit about the SC from my cold, dead hands
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Mar 4, 2024 17:42
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Mar 4, 2024 17:44
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Data Graham posted:Like, I don't buy that they didn't have shitfuckers like Trump back in the 1700s. They are not a jet age invention In the 1700s you would just shoot them in a duel.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:44
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PKMN Trainer Red posted:Guys I don't think I like this Donald Trump fellow. I've about decided not to vote for him
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Mar 4, 2024 17:46
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VanOwen posted:If English was good enough for Jesus its good enough for America! reminds me when Netenyahu said "Jesus spoke Hebrew" and was immediately corrected by the other person "Jesus spoke Aramaic though". good times
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