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GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007



Another Flesh Construct down

i need to wrap my head around blending I have a hard time with that

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Slyphic
Oct 12, 2021

All we do is walk around believing birds!

GreenBuckanneer posted:

Another Flesh Construct down
I like the untertones you used for that skin. Well worth the layers.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Yeah, I think it's dry tip. My other issue is that I'm trying to glaze a small part of the mini, and I want it to blend in with the tones around it, so I can't tape it off or get too far away or I end up covering more area than I want to. Ideally I want to be able to get pretty close to keep it tight without it pooling, but maybe that's just not possible with it thinned down to a glaze?

It's a new thread and I really should do an effort post on airbrushing, but that would take... effort.

Your goal when Airbrushing is for the paint to dry the moment it hits the painting surface. You do this by constantly balancing between the viscosity of your paint, the pressure of your air and the distance from the painting surface, when one changes the others have to change as well to compensate.

You want to be very thin with very low pressure to get close.

The closer you get to your surface, the lower your pressure needs to be to avoid splattering, and the lower your pressure the thinner your paint needs to be to get through the brush, but that also leads to splattering, so you need to experiment to find the right balance. Using thinner (reduces drying time) and flow improver (increases drying time) can help dial it in, but it's going to take experimentation to find the right combination.

What I recommend is to get some glossy white index cards and then practice spraying lines on them of different widths;., experiment with differen't pressure settings, different distances from the painting surface and different viscosities of paint until you get a real good feel for where you need to be and then apply that technique to your models.

Unfortunately there is no "use X PSI at Y distance with X Paint" settings for this, it's all about learning to use your specific unique brush, paint and application combo.

the_seventh_cohort
May 4, 2013
I'm really happy with how this guy turned out

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Golden High Flow acrylics are good.

Straight into the airbrush without thinning, no cloging or drying.

NinjaDebugger
Apr 22, 2008


Lostconfused posted:

Golden High Flow acrylics are good.

Straight into the airbrush without thinning, no cloging or drying.

Seconded,though I find I get better spray of titanium white if I start with a drop or two of flow improver.

Radiation Cow
Oct 23, 2010

Lostconfused posted:

Golden High Flow acrylics are good.

Straight into the airbrush without thinning, no cloging or drying.

Aren't they super glossy though?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Used them to do a quick zenithal highlight





Maybe they have a satin finish, but doesn't seem glossy to me.

Radiation Cow
Oct 23, 2010

That first photo looks pretty glossy to me. But I suppose that's easily fixable with a quick matt varnish. I know some of them are also worse in that regard than others, and there are only a few tones I'd pick up... so something to consider when I get my next paycheck.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

That first photo is bare GW plastic lol.

Radiation Cow
Oct 23, 2010

LOL, well, that's me told.

Yeah, the second photo has a much better finish.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something
The Golden High-Flows can be glossy, but it's dependent on the pigment. Some pigments are naturally more opaque and matte than others, like titanium, and will give a more matte appearance. Others are transparent and glossy basically regardless of their density or material properties, so will appear more glossy.

That's one of the downsides of artist quality paints. They're great quality, but you can get massively different finishes and transparencies between colors in the same line of paints. All qualities you'd want if you were painting on canvass, but not necessarily when painting minis.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


the_seventh_cohort posted:

I'm really happy with how this guy turned out



owns, love the red and fleshy pinks against the green.

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
Finished another dude for my raven guard infiltrator squad, except this time it's a Raptors' Deathwatch member on secondment or attached to the squad. Or something lore-adjacent. I just really wanted to use the DW shoulder pad, and since it's on the left shoulder he'd be an active deathwatch member, and as such :words:

Anyway,




e: I finally put in an order for microsol/set and I'm not touching a decal again until those arrive. Getting it to say Raptor on the shoulderpad was also a nightmare- a lot of adepta sororitas unit names from their decal sheet were injured in the making of this mini

Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 4, 2024

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Bad painting experiences: I’m doing up my Death Guard KT and despite my best efforts with my Krylon Camouflage Sand (heating a d shaking the hell out of), my results were terrible. I tried to make up for it with a quick spray of grey with a can I thought I had unstuck, but that wasn’t great either.

I’m on light drybrush coat 4 of Screaming Skull and while mostly fine, there are still areas where the grey can be seen :11tea::bang:

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

Professor Shark posted:

Bad painting experiences: I’m doing up my Death Guard KT and despite my best efforts with my Krylon Camouflage Sand (heating a d shaking the hell out of), my results were terrible. I tried to make up for it with a quick spray of grey with a can I thought I had unstuck, but that wasn’t great either.

I’m on light drybrush coat 4 of Screaming Skull and while mostly fine, there are still areas where the grey can be seen :11tea::bang:

A good airbrush setup costs about 15 rattle cans.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

4K paint porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AsJgcXvdCQ

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

Lumpy posted:

A good airbrush setup costs about 15 rattle cans.

Counterpoint:

Bucnasti posted:

It's a new thread and I really should do an effort post on airbrushing, but that would take... effort.

Your goal when Airbrushing is for the paint to dry the moment it hits the painting surface. You do this by constantly balancing between the viscosity of your paint, the pressure of your air and the distance from the painting surface, when one changes the others have to change as well to compensate.

You want to be very thin with very low pressure to get close.

The closer you get to your surface, the lower your pressure needs to be to avoid splattering, and the lower your pressure the thinner your paint needs to be to get through the brush, but that also leads to splattering, so you need to experiment to find the right balance. Using thinner (reduces drying time) and flow improver (increases drying time) can help dial it in, but it's going to take experimentation to find the right combination.

What I recommend is to get some glossy white index cards and then practice spraying lines on them of different widths;., experiment with differen't pressure settings, different distances from the painting surface and different viscosities of paint until you get a real good feel for where you need to be and then apply that technique to your models.

Unfortunately there is no "use X PSI at Y distance with X Paint" settings for this, it's all about learning to use your specific unique brush, paint and application combo.

My takeaway is that every kind of priming is the worst kind of priming :negative:

I actually have used my airbrush a couple of times now for priming batches and it seems to work but I can't tell when I'm done and there's enough primer on the model.

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice
Counter-counterpoint: I love priming with my airbrush.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

priming with an airbrush is very good, I just love seeing colors change as the paint gets sprayed on. From brown to black, and then highlighting it from grey to white.

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!
Don't mind me, I whine a lot because I don't enjoy painting, I only do it to cover up the Shameful Grey in the hopes of one day getting my stuff on the table to actually play a game.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I think you should play the game and not stress about painting.

I think painting is fun but trying to get an army painted is too stressful. It's also not satisfying.

There's also so much more work to putting an army together besides just painting, that stressing about painting and making painting stressful is very counter productive. Do it at your own pace and don't force yourself.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I haven't been painting my army because I can't decide on which green to use as the primary color.



The eye searing lime green might be too much for the whole army, and maybe I should save it for a character.

I also realized that I became disappointed with my original paint scheme because the shade wash darkened it too much, and I need to reapply the base layer color again.

Lostconfused fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Mar 5, 2024

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Kylaer posted:

I actually have used my airbrush a couple of times now for priming batches and it seems to work but I can't tell when I'm done and there's enough primer on the model.

The good news is that unlike rattlecan priming, airbrush primer is generally going on thin enough it's hard to overdo it. Obviously you can but try a couple of thin coats. I like doing a zenithel with a light grey over a dark grey so the light grey often catches anywhere I missed that's visible.

although I got back to airbrushing after a long break and had to relearn my workflow. Had the paint so thin I was hardly painting anything and then realized my cheap airbrush had that screw at the back of the airbrush that changes how far back you can pull the trigger. By the time i figured that out the paint had been sitting too long and I clogged the stupid thing pretty good.

but next time round everything went well. I really should put my cheap airbrush down and start using my iwata at some point.

also I really liked this video about OSL from one of the chillest guys in miniature painting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICVG3b0MGE

Dreylad fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Mar 5, 2024

Prawned
Oct 25, 2010

I think I'm going to get an airbrush just because I've battled to find good, consistent spraycans that aren't ludicrously priced GW ones.

I got "Spray-mate" black which works really nice and is cheap, but the rustoleum gray I found comes out kinda watery and just loving ugh. Please pre-prime my miniatures thanks GW.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Oh poo poo. Did I just paint Mike Tyson?!



Bohemian Nights posted:

Finished another dude for my raven guard infiltrator squad, except this time it's a Raptors' Deathwatch member on secondment or attached to the squad. Or something lore-adjacent. I just really wanted to use the DW shoulder pad, and since it's on the left shoulder he'd be an active deathwatch member, and as such :words:

Anyway,




e: I finally put in an order for microsol/set and I'm not touching a decal again until those arrive. Getting it to say Raptor on the shoulderpad was also a nightmare- a lot of adepta sororitas unit names from their decal sheet were injured in the making of this mini

I love him.

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

AndyElusive posted:

Oh poo poo. Did I just paint Mike Tyson?!



I love him.

Just add he face tattoos and you nailed it.

stoopidmunkey
May 21, 2005

yep
Hey thread, hoping for some help. I got a satin finish when I meant to go matte so I’ve got shiny space dwarves. If I just hit them with matte over top will that work? If not, anyone know how to either remove finish without paint or how to get rid of the shine?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

A bit of matte varnish spray will fix it up.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

stoopidmunkey posted:

Hey thread, hoping for some help. I got a satin finish when I meant to go matte so I’ve got shiny space dwarves. If I just hit them with matte over top will that work? If not, anyone know how to either remove finish without paint or how to get rid of the shine?

painting matte or gloss varnish/medium will give you a good matte or gloss look unless you're intending to go ultramatte or super high shine.

stoopidmunkey
May 21, 2005

yep

Lostconfused posted:

A bit of matte varnish spray will fix it up.

Appreciate it. Thanks!

stoopidmunkey
May 21, 2005

yep

Cease to Hope posted:

painting matte or gloss varnish/medium will give you a good matte or gloss look unless you're intending to go ultramatte or super high shine.

Yeah. I wanted no shine but bought the wrong finish. I’ll just matte over top to kill the shine. My space dwarves without helmets look like teenagers with oily skin

Lock Knight
Oct 5, 2012

You're gonna carry that weight.
Cybernetic Crumb
As I understand, gloss varnish is quite durable, as well, so having a matt coat on top of it gives you the best of both.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Anyone have any advice on using pigments or how to lock them into bases? Im planning on using some for dust build up on some bases but not quite sure how to do it yet. I am planning to watch some tutorials online later.

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.

Flipswitch posted:

Anyone have any advice on using pigments or how to lock them into bases? Im planning on using some for dust build up on some bases but not quite sure how to do it yet. I am planning to watch some tutorials online later.
You can fix them in place with mineral spirits. If you're going to do the dust before you varnish, you're best off varnishing with an airbrush at very low pressure (so as not to blast the pigment off in the process).

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

Flipswitch posted:

Anyone have any advice on using pigments or how to lock them into bases? Im planning on using some for dust build up on some bases but not quite sure how to do it yet. I am planning to watch some tutorials online later.

Anything that locks them down will change the look/texture to a greater or lesser extent. I've not got a huge amount of experience with them, but I have played around on some figures, and honestly I came to the conclusion that I'm best off not locking them in 99% of the time. I apply them with a brush as a final (post varnish) step, then tap the base on the desk to get any excess off, then I just leave it, it sticks well enough. Especially if its just on the base/feet of a model, because how often do you touch the top of the base of a painted model?

Takuan
May 6, 2007

The new thread's making me feel like participating. I need to work on my photography setup to make the lighting less harsh.

A Blooper


SCP-999


SCP-001

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

SiKboy posted:

Anything that locks them down will change the look/texture to a greater or lesser extent. I've not got a huge amount of experience with them, but I have played around on some figures, and honestly I came to the conclusion that I'm best off not locking them in 99% of the time. I apply them with a brush as a final (post varnish) step, then tap the base on the desk to get any excess off, then I just leave it, it sticks well enough. Especially if its just on the base/feet of a model, because how often do you touch the top of the base of a painted model?

I was under the impression that not fixing them was a Bad Idea

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

Lock Knight posted:

As I understand, gloss varnish is quite durable, as well, so having a matt coat on top of it gives you the best of both.
Yeah, this is quite common for miniatures that are going to be gaming pieces and I've seen it referred to as a bullet varnish.

One thing to remember about Matte varnishing is that it'll knock back the shininess of any metallics you've got on there. A common solution tends to be drybrushing a bit of the metallic back over it and then if you're worried about the shine rubbing off you can brush paint some satin or gloss varnish over for protection.

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rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



As I recall, Goobertown found that there's no difference in the level of protection various finishes of glosses give so any sort of varnish is going to protect equally well.

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