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jaete posted:This seems possible, but wasn't this leaked by the Russians? So you're saying the German defence ministry (or some other western faction) leaked this to the Russians deliberately, as a move against Scholz? The Russians would have reason to leak this to influence the German public, who will not listen or know the content of the entire call and to make it clear to Scholz that they probably have much more of this stuff. I don´t find it likely, but it is not completely useless to them. The timing of this leak, however, as well as showing what a bunch of liars Scholz and the SPD are, would indeed point to a leak by someone else originally, yeah.
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Mar 3, 2024 12:16
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spankmeister posted:Sure and it could be that I grow a third nipple tomorrow. Like Simonyan would disseminate it if it didn't come from Russian intelligence. Get real. Germany´s biggest newspaper disseminated the theory that Zaluszhnyi ordered twice(!) the destruction of NordStream (but only NordStream 1 at first). To assume that everything is exactly as it would appear, that there is no information war going on, is a bit naive.
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Mar 3, 2024 12:32
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KingaSlipek posted:Germany´s biggest newspaper disseminated the theory that Zaluszhnyi ordered twice(!) the destruction of NordStream (but only NordStream 1 at first). To assume that everything is exactly as it would appear, that there is no information war going on, is a bit naive. You can't blame the CIA for everything that happens in the world.
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Mar 3, 2024 12:35
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spankmeister posted:You can't blame the CIA for everything that happens in the world. Wrong forum
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Mar 3, 2024 12:43
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Germany's biggest "news"paper also speculated whether Germans would turn black from climate change and illustrated it on its front page with blackface Angela Merkel, Schröder…
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Mar 3, 2024 13:12
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Antigravitas posted:Germany's biggest "news"paper also speculated whether Germans would turn black from climate change and illustrated it on its front page with blackface Angela Merkel, Schröder… American posters in particular might mistakenly assume that print is mostly pretty reliable because in America, dumb people get their news exclusively from cable TV news. In Europe we don't really do cable news, so the stories Fox news and OANN would show on TV are printed in papers like Bild instead.
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Mar 3, 2024 13:33
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Antigravitas posted:Germany's biggest "news"paper also speculated whether Germans would turn black from climate change and illustrated it on its front page with blackface Angela Merkel, Schröder… I was referring to SPIEGEL, not BILD.
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Mar 3, 2024 13:37
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:American posters in particular might mistakenly assume that print is mostly pretty reliable because in America, dumb people get their news exclusively from cable TV news. Uh, the New York Post exists, as do 100% tabloids.
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Mar 3, 2024 13:56
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OddObserver posted:Uh, the New York Post exists, as do 100% tabloids. Those don't really have the same influence since the rise of cable news though. The primary source for nonsense in USA is things like Fox. I think it's fair to say that in Europe it's more from papers like Bild and The Sun. Being Canadian, I'd say that even here the Sun papers are the primary source as there isn't really a homegrown version of Fox, although they tried.
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Mar 3, 2024 15:21
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OddObserver posted:Uh, the New York Post exists, as do 100% tabloids. I'm more of a Daily News man but to be honest that and the Post are pretty much localized to the NYC area. There are few national papers. The Times? USA Today? Screw?
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Mar 3, 2024 15:48
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Fidelitious posted:Those don't really have the same influence since the rise of cable news though. The primary source for nonsense in USA is things like Fox. There is also right wing talk radio which is easy to forget about since no one under 60 listens to radio at all. However, among the right wing base there is a huge following and most of it is significantly more radicalized then Fox news.
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Mar 3, 2024 17:22
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I dont know posted:There is also right wing talk radio which is easy to forget about since no one under 60 listens to radio at all. However, among the right wing base there is a huge following and most of it is significantly more radicalized then Fox news. That's a good call. Australia was (is?) rife with right wing radio shock jocks. While not the original source of Murdoch's influence (his dad owned a paper in South Australia), he absolutely climbed into radio in a big way.
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Mar 3, 2024 19:08
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Most of Europe still has some form of fairness doctrine for TV stations. Can't legally do something like Fox News or OANN here. In print media, anything goes. Your imagination is the limit.
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Mar 3, 2024 19:15
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As long as we're talking of German magazines, my absolute all time favourite is 
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Mar 3, 2024 19:24
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beer_war posted:To be clear, there is nothing scandalous or even massively surprising about the call in and of itself, even if Russia will of course try to pretend otherwise. The only scandal is that Russian intelligence services caught the Luftwaffe with their pants down. Yeah, but it's nice of Russia to just make this intelligence public, to tip off MAD. So on one hand, the Bundeswehr gets embarrassed even more as it already is, but on the other, Germany can now work on closing that intelligence gap. Hopefully it's really WebEx, or Russia just burned their spies for no good reason. 
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Mar 3, 2024 19:50
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Nenonen posted:As long as we're talking of German magazines, my absolute all time favourite is FH?
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Mar 3, 2024 20:09
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As a lesson in scamming, if someone notices a really, really obvious error on your fakes, just make up poo poo on the spot. As long as you talk fast, and about something people really wish to be true, you may manage to keep the scam going for a while. An example: "Why is there FH instead of AH on Adolf Hitlers diaries?" Answer: "Clearly, the guy was so weird, he wrote "FH" for "Führerhauptquartier" or maybe even "Führer Hitler". I dunno, I just found the things" - a Scammer
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Mar 3, 2024 20:21
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Libluini posted:As a lesson in scamming, if someone notices a really, really obvious error on your fakes, just make up poo poo on the spot. As long as you talk fast, and about something people really wish to be true, you may manage to keep the scam going for a while. It's an in-joke for Deutsch-Goons (who are cineastically literate). https://youtu.be/QTGMnPS-nxg?si=MgZUxt3fFwDjppYP Sadly, there are no subtitles.
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Mar 3, 2024 20:27
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It was his pen name, Floda H.
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Mar 3, 2024 20:31
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Hannibal Rex posted:It's an in-joke for Deutsch-Goons (who are cineastically literate). Knowing YouTube, it will have German subtitles, that's enough for me, as I can fluidly read German Anyway, nope sorry, the movie was made something like 10+ years after the books were "found", what I said was literally taken from the German Wikipedia-page about the scandal. They really did have the wrong initials on their fakes
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Mar 3, 2024 20:48
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I dont know posted:There is also right wing talk radio which is easy to forget about since no one under 60 listens to radio at all. However, among the right wing base there is a huge following and most of it is significantly more radicalized then Fox news. Also, podcasts of Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro and the like are literally among the biggest in the country.
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Mar 4, 2024 00:45
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We just need The Rapture to come get all these morons so we can get on with meaningful and effective governance.
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Mar 4, 2024 01:18
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duodenum posted:We just need The Rapture to come get all these morons so we can get on with meaningful and effective governance. But isn't that supposed to be the end of the world? I must admit I'm not well-versed in such things.
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Mar 4, 2024 02:56
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You're not gonna believe this, but accounts seem to vary.
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Mar 4, 2024 03:16
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https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1764603143277457609?t=P1Ztvh3590yUEfMjVE7uAQ&s=19 First battlefield usage resulting in some drone hit would be detrimental to future export plans and investments, making it too expensive, true
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Mar 4, 2024 13:06
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Being killed by drone would mean it somehow managed to drive itself into Ukrainian drone range. Smooth, paved roads are enough to destroy it. Just like a machine that uses 500l of diesel per hour, is as big as a house and cuts oranges in 3 pieces is is a russian electric machine for cutting oranges into 4, the t14 is a next generation stealth parade tank
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Mar 4, 2024 14:05
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1764603143277457609?t=P1Ztvh3590yUEfMjVE7uAQ&s=19 Apparently they hope to build five T-90 for every Armata. I don't know if Armata is actually good for anything, but with the current rate of losing tanks, it does make more sense to Russia to produce/refurbish several old tanks than waste several month on one really expensive one even if it's twice as good. Same with soldiers, really.
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Mar 4, 2024 15:35
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Paladinus posted:Apparently they hope to build five T-90 for every Armata. I don't know if Armata is actually good for anything, but with the current rate of losing tanks, it does make more sense to Russia to produce/refurbish several old tanks than waste several month on one really expensive one even if it's twice as good. Same with soldiers, really. Yeah, tanks are a consumable. It's like they took a look at the pimped out M1's driving around in airpower cleared zones dominating rifle armed insurgents and thinking "I want some of that", designed the T-14 to be an over the top M1 and then the reality of arty, mines, arty laid mines and drones actually taking out the bulk of tanks (with the bulk of crew being picked off by drones after as they run back to the lines) means that resources are far better spent on "good enough" but in quantity.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:42
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1764603143277457609?t=P1Ztvh3590yUEfMjVE7uAQ&s=19 You could argue with a straight face that with the low production run of the T-14 and none being built in the foreseeable future that it would be really expensive to lose one due to the very high unit cost. The English translation of the article got a chuckle out of me quote:"Now we need money to create new tanks, new weapons, maybe cheaper ones. Therefore, if there is an opportunity to buy cheaper ones, why not," the source added.
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Mar 4, 2024 17:49
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Given how relatively cheap it is to make effective drones, perhaps that philosophy is being applied to the rest of their military? If it works for drones, maybe it'll work for tanks!
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Mar 4, 2024 20:11
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haddedam posted:Being killed by drone would mean it somehow managed to drive itself into Ukrainian drone range. Smooth, paved roads are enough to destroy it. The stealth is so good, you couldn’t even see the hundreds of T14s in the last parade.
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Mar 4, 2024 20:37
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Stealth tanks are the different faction, they must have been taking time developing Iron Curtain
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Mar 4, 2024 22:09
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fatherboxx posted:Stealth tanks are the different faction, they must have been taking time developing Iron Curtain Nothing here but us trees
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Mar 4, 2024 22:16
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I think this is the thread where we talked about the US airman that leaked a bunch of confidential stuff to Discord, some related to Ukraine. Anyway, he pleaded guilty and is hoping for 11 years instead of 25ish: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/03/discord-leaker-jack-teixeira-pleads-guilty-seeks-light-11-year-sentence/
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Mar 4, 2024 22:37
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... Don't you normally negotiate that sort of thing before making the plea?
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Mar 4, 2024 23:09
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OddObserver posted:... Don't you normally negotiate that sort of thing before making the plea? It's more of the possible range of sentencing. Had it gone to trial he could have been facing up to 60 years.
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Mar 4, 2024 23:11
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I know he was a chuddy idiot but I feel bad for the loser for throwing away his life (and probably plenty of Ukrainians) right out of the starting gates in the stupidest way possible.
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Mar 5, 2024 01:10
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Freakazoid_ posted:Given how relatively cheap it is to make effective drones, perhaps that philosophy is being applied to the rest of their military? If it works for drones, maybe it'll work for tanks! If you do not already keep up with military development and procurement stuff, everything is turning into drones or drone assisted in all the branches. The US army really likes the idea of swarms of pick up truck sized AI tank and human murdering machines.
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Mar 5, 2024 05:51
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Russia reaches into the absolute bottom of the Soviet stockpiles.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Given how relatively cheap it is to make effective drones, perhaps that philosophy is being applied to the rest of their military? If it works for drones, maybe it'll work for tanks! And who knows for far it'll go from there! 
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