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Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

tuyop posted:

Some flat earthers argue that Star Trek is actually about submarines so that’s why. It’s a secret code about the nature of the universe.

What about Seaquest: DSV?

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AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006
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This may not be a "small" question, but what's the current scientific consensus on what drives transgender people - is it social or biological? I've often thought that if culture did not force strict gender norms it wouldn't even be a question, like why would someone even question their gender identity if there was no expectation for folks born as men or women to behave in a particular way. In a hypothetical society where it's cool if you have a penis and are into dresses, or a vagina and are into truck engines, would there still be transgender people?

mystes posted:

You probably don't want to use the word "transgenderism"

someone awful. posted:

(also don't use the term "transgenderism" please)

Fixed, sorry.

AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Mar 4, 2024

mystes
May 31, 2006

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This may not be a "small" question, but what's the current scientific consensus on what drives transgenderism - is it social or biological? I've often thought that if culture did not force strict gender norms it wouldn't even be a question, like why would someone even question their gender identity if there was no expectation for folks born as men or women to behave in a particular way. In a hypothetical society where it's cool if you have a penis and are into dresses, or a vagina and are into truck engines, would there still be transgender people?
You probably don't want to use the word "transgenderism"

someone awful.
Sep 7, 2007


AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This may not be a "small" question, but what's the current scientific consensus on what drives transgenderism - is it social or biological? I've often thought that if culture did not force strict gender norms it wouldn't even be a question, like why would someone even question their gender identity if there was no expectation for folks born as men or women to behave in a particular way. In a hypothetical society where it's cool if you have a penis and are into dresses, or a vagina and are into truck engines, would there still be transgender people?

i don't know poo poo about the science behind it (also don't use the term "transgenderism" please), but societal roles really have nothing to do with my physical sensation of dysphoria. even in a truly egalitarian society i would still want to get rid of my boobs/would strongly prefer having a dick

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This may not be a "small" question, but what's the current scientific consensus on what drives transgenderism - is it social or biological? I've often thought that if culture did not force strict gender norms it wouldn't even be a question, like why would someone even question their gender identity if there was no expectation for folks born as men or women to behave in a particular way. In a hypothetical society where it's cool if you have a penis and are into dresses, or a vagina and are into truck engines, would there still be transgender people?

Generally, trans people don't transition because "I like dresses therefore I am forced to get a vagina." They medically transition because it allows them to feel more comfortable in their body. Also, trans people are more likely to be gender non-conforming than cis people. Plenty of trans men like dresses and dislike trucks.

The evidence for biological etiology is the same as for being gay. It's pretty clear that you can't turn a trans person cis through any kind of social intervention (or vice versa, though only one direction has been tried at scale). Being trans, like being gay, is correlated with certain indicators of prenatal hormone fluctuations. But, It's generally believed that there's probably no one reason a person may be trans.

To my personal experience, I thought i would feel better if my body was more woman shaped than man shaped, and it turned out to be true. My hobbies are definitely more male typical than female typical. If there were no social norms around gender, I would have transitioned 20 years earlier.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Crankit posted:

In star trek when spaceships meet how come one isn't upside down or at some angle, why are they all the same way up?

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

because it looks better on camera that way

It's obviously this but if you want some attempts at an in-universe answer you could always ask in a Star Trek thread. The GBS thread is probably the best one for this:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3777056

Pro tip: whatever we come up with, be sure to ask why Empok Nor is always at an angle. :allears:

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

mystes posted:

You probably don't want to use the word "transgenderism"

someone awful. posted:

(also don't use the term "transgenderism" please)

What term should one use?

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006
Probation
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Dr. Stab posted:

Generally, trans people don't transition because "I like dresses therefore I am forced to get a vagina." They medically transition because it allows them to feel more comfortable in their body. Also, trans people are more likely to be gender non-conforming than cis people. Plenty of trans men like dresses and dislike trucks.

The evidence for biological etiology is the same as for being gay. It's pretty clear that you can't turn a trans person cis through any kind of social intervention (or vice versa, though only one direction has been tried at scale). Being trans, like being gay, is correlated with certain indicators of prenatal hormone fluctuations. But, It's generally believed that there's probably no one reason a person may be trans.

To my personal experience, I thought i would feel better if my body was more woman shaped than man shaped, and it turned out to be true. My hobbies are definitely more male typical than female typical. If there were no social norms around gender, I would have transitioned 20 years earlier.

I guess it's not just clear what the underlying motivation is. If gender is a social construct, how is there a non-social driver to adjust your gender to make yourself more comfortable? Sure in the lovely culture we've all been brought up in it's obvious how people would make the choice to flip that binary question, but in a hypothetical egalitarian gender situation what would make you want to transition?

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:

I guess it's not just clear what the underlying motivation is. If gender is a social construct, how is there a non-social driver to adjust your gender to make yourself more comfortable? Sure in the lovely culture we've all been brought up in it's obvious how people would make the choice to flip that binary question, but in a hypothetical egalitarian gender situation what would make you want to transition?

My dysphoria?

someone awful.
Sep 7, 2007


wash bucket posted:

What term should one use?

just say "trans people" or whatever

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

I guess it's not just clear what the underlying motivation is. If gender is a social construct, how is there a non-social driver to adjust your gender to make yourself more comfortable? Sure in the lovely culture we've all been brought up in it's obvious how people would make the choice to flip that binary question, but in a hypothetical egalitarian gender situation what would make you want to transition?

why are you ignoring the responses you already got about physical dysphoria, which is often (but not always) a huge driver of the desire to medically transition?

Organza Quiz
Nov 7, 2009


AreWeDrunkYet posted:

I guess it's not just clear what the underlying motivation is. If gender is a social construct, how is there a non-social driver to adjust your gender to make yourself more comfortable? Sure in the lovely culture we've all been brought up in it's obvious how people would make the choice to flip that binary question, but in a hypothetical egalitarian gender situation what would make you want to transition?

You're just gonna have to accept that there is some sort of internal concept of gender that doesn't have anything to do with social roles. We know this because trans people report this. Many people have come to the same conclusion you have because they haven't ever had to think about their internal sense of gender, but it is simply not correct. I don't think we fully understand why people have an internal sense of gender but they just do.

dirby
Sep 21, 2004


Helping goons with math

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This may not be a "small" question,
There's also a thread here in A/T where you can ask at least about people's personal experiences/perspectives.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
If you're looking for scientific explanation of gender and how it works and where it comes from you'll have to do a lot of academic reading because it's extremely complicated and there are different legitimate ways of approaching it. Lots of people argue that gender is a system of performance based on social roles that were essentially mandatory before industrialization made it possible for people who give birth to children to not have to breast feed them until they have strong enough teeth to eat on their own, which seems to be somewhat integrated into human psyche in ways that are intermingled with biological sex in some people and somewhat separate from biological sex in others. Gender dysphoria is a pretty large range of experiences based on who you're speaking to and the cultural context they already exist in.

There's a lot less queer solidarity (in the west at least) in the internet age and tons of these types of communities violently implode or split apart based on technicalities that are often pretty immaterial when it comes to the question of liberation and equality, and that makes it kinda hard to get a good understanding of gender at all as a cis person on the outside who hasn't done a great deal of research. The shortest answer you can get comes down to the fact that gender being a social construct doesn't mean that it's not also a part of human evolution in complex ways that are difficult to explain to a cis person in a world where we're unable to actually gather quantitative data on human perceptive experiences and social settings and the structure and functionality of the brain and all sorts of other things.

Also important is to remember that the fixation on genitals that cis people envision when they think about trans people is most certainly not representative of trans people as a whole, or even of a strong majority. There are plenty of trans people who never get bottom surgery and don't feel all that strongly about the matter, and there are plenty who want it desperately and get it as soon as they can, and lots of people in between. The cis/hetero imagination of sex and sexuality also tends to be pretty limited and strictly enforced by white christian social values that aren't exactly in strong alignment with the practices of humanity from what we can see of indigenous cultures across the world and just ended up spreading everywhere as a result of colonization and imperialism.

You can probably see how wide-ranging and all-consuming a question of fundamental human social roles can become in a world with billions of people in it and 5000 years of history and 200000 years of pre-history.

Flournival Dixon fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Mar 4, 2024

Trapick
Apr 17, 2006

Organza Quiz posted:

You're just gonna have to accept that there is some sort of internal concept of gender that doesn't have anything to do with social roles. We know this because trans people report this. Many people have come to the same conclusion you have because they haven't ever had to think about their internal sense of gender, but it is simply not correct. I don't think we fully understand why people have an internal sense of gender but they just do.
It's also likely that some people just have much stronger internal concepts of gender than others, for whatever reason. There are people who if they suddenly woke up in a different body would be like "hm, that's odd" but not necessarily experience dysphoria.

But yeah even if we abolished any social concept of gender there'd still be folks with dysphoria related to sex characteristics.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Trapick posted:

There are people who if they suddenly woke up in a different body would be like "hm, that's odd" but not necessarily experience dysphoria.

That's definitely me. I'm male and was born male but I don't feel particularly strongly about that. I'm solely attracted to women and I feel like if I woke up tomorrow in a woman's body, I'd be myself but as a lesbian woman. I'd probably wear skirts or whatnot, whatever the standard garb is, without feeling much about it one way or the other.

That probably results in my not really being able to directly relate to the experience of feeling that one is in the wrong sexed body (while being cognizant that it is a very real and valid thing). It's just like, I'm me and for me, my sex is about as important to my identity as my eye color.

Brains are weird.

El Jeffe
Dec 24, 2009

Crankit posted:

In star trek when spaceships meet how come one isn't upside down or at some angle, why are they all the same way up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9W7pvOLxmQ&t=26s

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

I recently learned I don’t understand generic medicines and insurance as well as I thought.

I take a daily Flovent inhaler for asthma. Apparently the manufacturer GSK put out an “authorized generic” in 2022. My insurance kept filling with the name brand. Now in 2024 they are stopping selling the name brand entirely to force people to use the generic. Apparently this is causing a lot of problems because insurance was covering the name brand but won’t cover the generic and people have to switch to a new drug.

Can anyone explain this? I thought generics were made by a competitor and that insurance usually wanted people to be on them?

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


Non-answer, but yeah that seems goofy, cause generics are usually cheaper too? I have a prescription where my insurance only covers the generic, unless the generic is unavailable due to shortages, then they'll cover a non-generic.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
The explanation is probably just something along the lines of "insurance can make more money by not covering it at all" and telling the customers to get bent if they don't like it. Insurance doesn't really operate on industrial capitalist practices or anything where you have to deliver results in order to make money, it's just a social scheme of extraction by moving around numbers on a computer to justify an ever less comprehensive mode of coverage while extracting continually rising profits from vulnerable people.

If the goal was to offer health coverage then you're correct that they'd prefer people to take generics over name brands, but the goal is more to make money and sometimes that just means not covering something at all and not even needing to justify it.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

I also think that the assumption that the American healthcare insurance industry is in any way efficient or rational is not entirely based in reality.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Big Bad Beetleborg posted:

What about Seaquest: DSV?

Heroes

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Flournival Dixon posted:

You can grow them in greenhouses but it's not economic. You could grow your own chocolate if you have a greenhouse and are able to keep the conditions good all year round but it's not a small plant and I can't imagine it'd be easy. The conditions for cocoa plants don't really exist naturally in the US, they need a ton of water and warm temperature all year and shelter from strong wind.

Finland has a candy company called Fazer, and they have a greenhouse that grows cacao trees in their plant and as part of the tour. It's definitely possible it's just, as has been said, not super economical given the amount of cacao you need to grow for industrial chocolate manufacturing.

two fish
Jun 14, 2023

UN peacekeepers aren't able to fire at anyone, right? So why are they deployed places? What's their function?

Fork of Unknown Origins
Oct 21, 2005
Gotta Herd On?

two fish posted:

UN peacekeepers aren't able to fire at anyone, right? So why are they deployed places? What's their function?

They can shoot to defend themselves or defend whatever the UN sent them to defend. They can’t act offensively.

EricBauman
Nov 30, 2005

DOLF IS RECHTVAARDIG

two fish posted:

UN peacekeepers aren't able to fire at anyone, right? So why are they deployed places? What's their function?

Their function is to act as a barrier. Be between the warring parties to say 'if you want to go and genocide your neighbors, you'll first have to murder 200 innocent soldiers from Jordan/Argentina/Canada/wherever' and that kind of works well enough in a lot of cases

Edit: This emphatically didn't work in Bosnia, because the Serbs didn't give a poo poo about taking British soldiers hostage and in another instance Dutch light infantry were outgunned so badly that they had to look on as the Serbs took hundreds of Bosnian men away to be exterminated

EricBauman fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Mar 4, 2024

Thirteen Orphans
Dec 2, 2012

I am a writer, a doctor, a nuclear physicist and a theoretical philosopher. But above all, I am a man, a hopelessly inquisitive man, just like you.
My sister and I own some property out of state (we’re in the US) that we’re looking to sell. We’ve gotten two letters from land buyers who want to buy our property, but we wonder if their offers are low. Is there a different route we could take to sell the land? It’s only land, there’s no house or anything on it.

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009

If they're unsolicited letters my guess is the offer is low and preying on people who Need Cash Now. At least that's how the cash4houses industry is.

At bare minimum you could list it and get a real estate lawyer to handle the contract end for a low fee. Or hire a listing real estate agent to do all the listing etc for a substantially higher fee.

You can probably get a lot of more experienced advice in the BFC house buying thread.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
How does one find the value of anything, ever? I've got a dining table I want to sell, I have no idea what it's worth if anything.

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



Why is the “forbidden porn” pic… well… forbidden? It’s the one with the woman on the dude’s lap and she’s just staring at the camera completely deadpan.

Fork of Unknown Origins
Oct 21, 2005
Gotta Herd On?

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

How does one find the value of anything, ever? I've got a dining table I want to sell, I have no idea what it's worth if anything.

Try to find similar ones that have sold is pretty much the only way. I’m not sure if people buy tables on eBay but check and see how much ones (with bids!) are going for. Failing that check your local Facebook market or similar.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.

actually3raccoons posted:

Why is the “forbidden porn” pic… well… forbidden? It’s the one with the woman on the dude’s lap and she’s just staring at the camera completely deadpan.

"Forbidden" by who? I mean, it's a picture of a woman with a cock in her rear end, so there's already some places where you probably shouldn't post it.

Slimy Hog
Apr 22, 2008

actually3raccoons posted:

Why is the “forbidden porn” pic… well… forbidden? It’s the one with the woman on the dude’s lap and she’s just staring at the camera completely deadpan.

Who says its forbidden? Is this some internet thing I'm too cool to know about :smuggo:

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



It was referenced in a few posts (I could try to find them) but I may have just misunderstood a joke someone was making.

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

Women's Circuit Bender Union Local 34



If iirc, the "forbidden porn" isn't the one you describe (that's calm.jpg). It's a photo of a white woman sitting on a couch with 5-6 black guys behind her eyeing her hungrily.

I could find it and post it, but... well, forbidden.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

How does one find the value of anything, ever? I've got a dining table I want to sell, I have no idea what it's worth if anything.

Value is not a property innate to objects, it's what other people are willing to give you for the thing. So you look for comparable objects being sold, see what their prices are, compare their product to yours to decide whether yours should be worth more or less than theirs, then throw all that research out and make a number up that you think you can get for it.

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Thirteen Orphans posted:

My sister and I own some property out of state (we’re in the US) that we’re looking to sell. We’ve gotten two letters from land buyers who want to buy our property, but we wonder if their offers are low. Is there a different route we could take to sell the land? It’s only land, there’s no house or anything on it.

Yes those offers are low and you're about to get a bazillion more of those letters in the near future.

Thirteen Orphans
Dec 2, 2012

I am a writer, a doctor, a nuclear physicist and a theoretical philosopher. But above all, I am a man, a hopelessly inquisitive man, just like you.

wash bucket posted:

Yes those offers are low and you're about to get a bazillion more of those letters in the near future.

Did we do something to trigger that?

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Thirteen Orphans posted:

Did we do something to trigger that?

I think they just scrape county tax assessor websites for property owned by someone out of state. It's all public record info.

Trapick
Apr 17, 2006

actually3raccoons posted:

It was referenced in a few posts (I could try to find them) but I may have just misunderstood a joke someone was making.
It's definitely not goatse that's the "forbidden" image?

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Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

actually3raccoons posted:

Why is the “forbidden porn” pic… well… forbidden? It’s the one with the woman on the dude’s lap and she’s just staring at the camera completely deadpan.

As mentioned calm.jpg isn't forbidden and "surrounded" - the forbidden one - was forbidden because the whole racism running it into the ground thing. It's not actually forbidden anymore as it has become such a meme that there are pizza ads that reference it and stuff but you're probably going to want to be funnier than you think you are to try get away with posting something so gauche now.

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