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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

guessing this has something to with the run-up to the bangladesh war.

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

crepeface posted:

lol, i couldn't finish the article. it's bad enough when you know how misleading normal western media is, but i don't need to read about "boycotting chinese-owned restaurants" lmfao

also, i went to shenzhen like 20 years ago and HK locals were already going there for cheaper poo poo.

how much does it cost to go from hk to there?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

mawarannahr posted:

how much does it cost to go from hk to there?

can't remember, and it was like 20 years ago. fart simpson would probably know better.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

mawarannahr posted:

how much does it cost to go from hk to there?

I just checked now its 200 HKD. Don't think the price has changed much in 20 years.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

uninterrupted posted:

the commute isn't bad i paid 30 bucks and sat in a supercool first class spaceship rear end seat from Guangzhou to HK. there's a customs check but I don't think Chinese citizens have to deal with it

guangzhou is way cooler than Hong Kong though, they've got all these bars and clubs in this unused port facility on the south side of the river. can't think of a reason to prefer HK nightlife

wow, a bay area with functional rail

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
I used to go to school in mumbai and lived in navi mumbai. Hell, commute was free on trains if you were going from/to school

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

stephenthinkpad posted:

I just checked now its 200 HKD. Don't think the price has changed much in 20 years.

not bad. thanks :)

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

mila kunis posted:

taiwan too https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/india-plans-taiwan-labour-supply-pact-while-china-tensions-brew

India and Taiwan are forging closer economic ties with a plan to send tens of thousands of workers to the island as early as December, according to senior officials familiar with the matter, potentially angering neighbour China.

Taiwan could hire as many as 100,000 Indians to work at factories, farms and hospitals, the officials said, asking not to be identified as the discussions are private. The two sides are expected to sign an employment mobility agreement by as soon as December, the people said.

Taiwan’s ageing society means it needs more workers, while in India, the economy is not growing fast enough to create enough jobs for the millions of young people who enter the labour market every year.

lollll, so they're squaring this circle with open racism.


https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/5106858

Taiwan recruiting Indians with 'similar skin color' to Taiwanese: Labor minister
Northeast India's target for recruitment due to similar skin tone, eating habits, belief in Christianity, labor skills

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Labor Minister Hsu Ming-chun (許銘春) said that Taiwan plans on recruiting migrant workers from northeast India because "their skin color and eating habits" are similar to Taiwanese, their Christian beliefs, and their skills in manufacturing, construction, and agriculture.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
^^^ Yeah that got a raise out of me when I saw the news quote yesterday.

I also want to know exactly the Christian percentage in Taiwan. It can't be that high.

If you can't find Buddhist migrant workers in India, you should be able to find some in Nepal, I think they are still 30% Buddhists.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
the large manufacturing hubs of manipur...

At least the japanese racial power gamers plotted things onto a graph and came to the logical conclusion that their indian investments would be better off in Tamil Nadu.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
i thought taiwan was part of the rules based order. i didn't know you could do the based yes guy 'Yes, we are racist and our policies are based on race' as the labor minister of a shining, vibrant, democratic US ally

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

taiwan is gonna need a lot of re-education camps

this allusion meant
Apr 9, 2006

mila kunis posted:

i thought taiwan was part of the rules based order. i didn't know you could do the based yes guy 'Yes, we are racist and our policies are based on race' as the labor minister of a shining, vibrant, democratic US ally

they’re part of the special tier of march states along with israel and ukraine. if anything they’re taking it easy with what they can get away with

this allusion meant
Apr 9, 2006
if they make hk housing affordable i will be fleeing there to escape burger persecution

Boat Stuck
Apr 20, 2021

I tried to sneak through the canal, man! Can't make it, can't make it, the ship's stuck! Outta my way son! BOAT STUCK! BOAT STUCK!

mila kunis posted:

i thought taiwan was part of the rules based order. i didn't know you could do the based yes guy 'Yes, we are racist and our policies are based on race' as the labor minister of a shining, vibrant, democratic US ally

The US is racist as gently caress though? So Taiwan fits perfectly.

Or is that the joke? :thejoke:

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Usually Taiwanese government's weird quirks are from Japan. So I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese migrant labor policy have a similar thing.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Lol that's Futurama Nixon

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

stephenthinkpad posted:

Usually Taiwanese government's weird quirks are from Japan. So I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese migrant labor policy have a similar thing.

in this case not really no. Japan invested in places that had skilled labor etc and hires its indians from there - mostly from tamil nadu.

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011
actually vaguely related sidenote: can you drive onto HK from the mainland? do they have a little loop-de-loop to flip the side of the road you drive on to the British bullshit?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

uninterrupted posted:

actually vaguely related sidenote: can you drive onto HK from the mainland? do they have a little loop-de-loop to flip the side of the road you drive on to the British bullshit?

You have to have a HK plate and have both HK and mainland driver licenses. And you switch lane to the wrong side when you drive pass the custom border. Yeah it's insane.

HK doesn't allow purchase of right handed car, and verse versa in mainland so only HK cars get exemption to drive in mainland. A quick search show only commercial vehicles can apply for special dual-use permits.

Edit, actually new regulation started last July allowed HK passenger cars to enter Guangdong province for 30 days without any special permit or insurance. Doesn't need a new license, just do an online application.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 02:51 on Mar 5, 2024

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

uninterrupted posted:

the commute isn't bad i paid 30 bucks and sat in a supercool first class spaceship rear end seat from Guangzhou to HK. there's a customs check but I don't think Chinese citizens have to deal with it

guangzhou is way cooler than Hong Kong though, they've got all these bars and clubs in this unused port facility on the south side of the river. can't think of a reason to prefer HK nightlife

chinese citizens do have to cross through the border and customs, but they can use e-channel which means its a 5 minute thing in the worst case. actually, foreign citizens living in shenzhen on a residence permit (me) can apply for e-channel too. so i can go door to door from my apartment to my friend's in hong kong in like 1 hour

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

stephenthinkpad posted:

I just checked now its 200 HKD. Don't think the price has changed much in 20 years.

one way is cheaper. you can take the bus one way from the sz border to central for like 60 HKD. the new high speed train is 70 RMB. if you want to take public transportation it's more like 30 HKD each way from the border to central (if you're going somewhere close to the border in hong kong it will be like 10 RMB)

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

stephenthinkpad posted:

You have to have a HK plate and have both HK and mainland driver licenses. And you switch lane to the wrong side when you drive pass the custom border. Yeah it's insane.

HK doesn't allow purchase of right handed car, and verse versa in mainland so only HK cars get exemption to drive in mainland. A quick search show only commercial vehicles can apply for special dual-use permits.

not only are they commercial only, they're crazy expensive. like hundreds of thousands of dollars US from what ive heard

anyway, a relatively new thing is that hong kong drivers can apply for a temporary permit to drive into mainland china for a short time, like for a trip or something. i don't know the details of it but i've heard that it now exists. i don't think you can do that the other way around (mainland driver driving their car into hong kong)

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

fart simpson posted:

one way is cheaper. you can take the bus one way from the sz border to central for like 60 HKD. the new high speed train is 70 RMB. if you want to take public transportation it's more like 30 HKD each way from the border to central (if you're going somewhere close to the border in hong kong it will be like 10 RMB)

I am pretty sure the cost to go from GZ to SZ was 55 RMB 15 years ago. Taking a bus from HKG to GZ was like 40-50 HKD. I don't know how I remember it. The fare has generally not changed, compared to everything else.

15 years ago it wasn't even proper HSR, it was the proto-high speed train called Hexie Hao (because "building hexie society" was a Hu era motto.)

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001

fart simpson posted:

chinese citizens do have to cross through the border and customs, but they can use e-channel which means its a 5 minute thing in the worst case. actually, foreign citizens living in shenzhen on a residence permit (me) can apply for e-channel too. so i can go door to door from my apartment to my friend's in hong kong in like 1 hour

Why a Chinese citizen would want to go-to HK at this point is beyond me, likely to get ripped off and beat up.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
Its like visiting another country but not really.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Spergin Morlock posted:

I think it was here that I learned about the Wave Media channel that covered a lot of China centric topics. Just saw they decided to interview Jackson Hinkle about 'MAGA communism' and the replies are full of people praising him. I unfollowed that channel immediately lol

careful, if you say this in the wrong places you'll get scolded because "at least he's saying the right things about palestine" by people who don't seem to know what opportunism is

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Doktor Avalanche posted:

miracle of socialism: in china even mckinsey does useful work

just randomly thinking about this again.

sometimes i hear about china getting into bed with pretty bad companies or institutions and it makes me go wtf. i guess if this kind of thing is their experience, it makes sense that they feel confident they can use them to do productive work.

edit: oh, right. hinkle and "maga communism" is what made me think about it.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


one of my greater frustrations in regard to antikorean racism disguised as wokism thats just tacitly accepted as true is the idea that korean culture is blood obsessed and just leaves children out to die because why else would they send so many of their children out to to be adopted by strangers how backwards they were before white people taught them civilization

meanwhile in the real world north korea mocked and belittled south korea for decades about the fact that they did this because it sounded every bit as insane to them as it did to anyone else but nobody on our side of the iron curtain even pretended like this was anything but the most aboveboard thing ever until the first generation of adoptees grew up and were telling south korea and their adoptive countries both to just choke on dicks and die

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

crepeface posted:

just randomly thinking about this again.

sometimes i hear about china getting into bed with pretty bad companies or institutions and it makes me go wtf. i guess if this kind of thing is their experience, it makes sense that they feel confident they can use them to do productive work.

edit: oh, right. hinkle and "maga communism" is what made me think about it.

the title is clever but i think the fact of the matter is that mckinsey usually does useful work for whomever hires them.

Telluric Whistler
Sep 14, 2008


HK locals relationship with the mainland is a lot like Singaporeans relationship with Malaysia. They are the place I get cheap labor, cheap goods, and cheap entertainment and they are also terrible nasty bog people who must be destroyed.

It's not racist, tho.

GlassEye-Boy posted:

Why a Chinese citizen would want to go-to HK at this point is beyond me, likely to get ripped off and beat up.

Brand name luxury shopping and 2- and 3-star Michelin restaurants.

Actually for a lot of non rich people, you go to HK to visit Disney and maybe Ocean Park and eat some dim sum, maybe take a bunch of photos in SoHo at the murals.

It's honestly a fun weekend destination. If my partner could find good employment on the mainland I'd happily move back, though.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Honestly, HK kind of seems stuck in the 80s compared to mainland cities from what I have seen. I guess it makes sense that it got built out and what they have, they have. It is just a 1st tier mainland city seems like it would be a better place to live, perhaps it is why younger HKers are changing their minds.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
My wife had to go to Hong Kong when she was a teen because it was one of the only places you could take an SAT for applying to American universities.

RedSky
Oct 30, 2023

Telluric Whistler posted:

HK locals relationship with the mainland is a lot like Singaporeans relationship with Malaysia. They are the place I get cheap labor, cheap goods, and cheap entertainment and they are also terrible nasty bog people who must be destroyed.

It's not racist, tho.

Brand name luxury shopping and 2- and 3-star Michelin restaurants.

Actually for a lot of non rich people, you go to HK to visit Disney and maybe Ocean Park and eat some dim sum, maybe take a bunch of photos in SoHo at the murals.

It's honestly a fun weekend destination. If my partner could find good employment on the mainland I'd happily move back, though.

Interesting that Hong Kong and Singapore were British outposts and both have a similar relationships with their hinterlands as London does. Must be a coincidence.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
Lol China just announced it spent 1.2 trillion yuan in investment in water conservancy projects for 2023.

The Biden administration allocated 8.3 billion over ten years in 2022 and claimed it as a major win for us infrastructure.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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RedSky posted:

Interesting that Hong Kong and Singapore were British outposts and both have a similar relationships with their hinterlands as London does. Must be a coincidence.

at least singapore adopted simplified chinese and has public housing so that's light years ahead of HK

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

RedSky posted:

Interesting that Hong Kong and Singapore were British outposts and both have a similar relationships with their hinterlands as London does. Must be a coincidence.

I am sure they wanted to make HK independent if them British got their way.

Singapore was able to become a city state because there were ethnic conflicts the UK and US could exploit. This isn't the case in HK.

Palladium posted:

at least singapore adopted simplified chinese and has public housing so that's light years ahead of HK


Yes probably best public housing projects in the world even. That's the difference between a Chinese ruled city and British Viceroy ruled city. All the British good at is making property price going higher and higher.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 16:10 on Mar 5, 2024

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

ikanreed posted:

Lol China just announced it spent 1.2 trillion yuan in investment in water conservancy projects for 2023.

The Biden administration allocated 8.3 billion over ten years in 2022 and claimed it as a major win for us infrastructure.

So converted to dollars that's about 150 billion in one year for China?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Maybe not one year, I remember talks of long canals being built both in Yunnan and Tibet.

Here is a link, wordings are kinda confusing. i think it meant "secured funding for projects..."

https://www.ecns.cn/m/news/economy/2024-03-05/detail-ihcyipmf1900093.shtml

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 16:33 on Mar 5, 2024

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In Training
Jun 28, 2008

The stated target coming out of the NPC report is 3% YoY CPI growth. Seems higher than the past? And more in line with what western economists are calling for but that's just because the banks want low interest rates again, not bc of any possible social outcomes.

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